Rangers Banter Archive April 10 2013

10 Apr 2013 22:29:49
Charles Green first made the "worst Rangers team ever" quote on March 7th. At the time Ally said "He was trying to give the fans a realistic idea of where we're at. "

That is not defending the players, quite possibly because he was on a shoogly peg himself at the time.

Green's words were very prophetic because only two days later their scoreline read:

Rangers 1 Annan Athletic 2

Perhaps the worst result in said teams history.

A 1-0 win at Elgin was followed by a 0-0 draw at home to Stirling Albion meaning both clubs had shared 5 points over 4 games this season.

Any defense of the team yet Ally? Erm, no!

A 0-0 at Montrose and the later Queens Park result the next week guaranteed the league title.

Surely after winning the league he would have good cause to back the team.

Any defense of the team yet Ally? Erm, no!

A 4-1 away victory at Queens Park and suddenly he is full of anger and defending the team, on the 7th of April, a full month later. And was it this footballfest that justified his rage? Erm, NO!

The worm had turned, Green was on the back foot suddenly thanks to Craig Whyte's reappearance. McCoist was spineless for a whole month because he knew his job was the one under serious scrutiny, what a difference a week makes as I said recently.

Now Green is a total loose cannon, I have said so in here often enough, and pending what emerges maybe he's every bit as dodgy as you know who but McCoist is a self-serving, spineless, opportunist who took 31 days to back his squad and only opened his mouth when the winds turned back in his favour.

You believe him any more than you do Green and I pity for you, I truly do.

Gaz

Picking at straws tonight Gaz, firstly every man and his dog knows this is the worst Rangers team ever. However Green had no reason to say that publically, and should have zipped it. What was Ally to do? Agree and lose the dressing room? Of course not.

You are correct, Green is a loose cannon but even though Ally knows this is the worst team, he cannot say that. He has to work with these players. Would you like it more if he came out and slated each and every one of them?
Yes, you would, but I have yet to hear any manager say that about his team. At the end of the day the job was to win the league, they are last time I looked, 24 points clear.

Why should you care if we believe Ally or not, it is no concern of yours. But however good or bad a manager he is, there is nobody I would rather have had in his position over the last year.

Perhaps you should look nearer to home at your manager who has lost an unbelievable number of SPL points and is only in a job because of a fluke against Barca.

Why on earth would you bring lennon into this? He has made his club an awful lot of money, has Ally?

@1) man united are deluded. First Green shouldn't have said it, second the manager should back his team, more importantly should back his team IMMEDIATELY. You don't think the timing is of significance, are you kidding? Who knows, maybe an immediate positive response from Ally might have prevented the Annan score, look at the first quote from him, hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

Clutching at straws? Your club is between a rock and a hard place, dodgy owner v rotten manager, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You really think the Barca game kept Neil Lennon in a job, man that has to be amongst the stupidest things ever said in here. He's young, has an eye for a player, his squads value has at least quadrupled this season, we have considerably increased the club's European standing this season and ranking for that matter and he's held in high regard (even touted as Everton replacement for Moyes if he moves on) in England. Stop me when any of these relate to Ally by the way. A point away from the league and tons of cash from Europe and a potential double I don't know one Celtic fan who isn't more than satisfied with this season, can you say the same?

Figurehead, McCoist has been great, I have the humilty to acknowledge that (stop me when that applies to you). But as a manager he has been poor and as a squad defender he's been shamelessly exposed as a self-serving opportunist who mysteriously lost his voice when it came to backing his players for 31 days. Ask yourself why?

Gaz

No idea how that came up as Man United lol.

Gaz

@2) The reason is there is a branch of the Rangers support who are far more comfortable pointing the finger out the way at others rather than taking a deep breath and conceding we are in no position to be finger pointing at anyone with our woes. Defending the indefensible as I said in another thread.

Looking in the mirror and conceding a number of the problems are within Ibrox is an impossibility for some fans and while that attitude exists your club is in trouble.

Gaz

Op maybe lennon earned you money in euro its a pitty the supporters stoped going to parkhead thus the profit was more than halved in two

Think you could do with a day off Gaz. Your heid must be absolutely nipping with all the pseudo-psychoanalysis bunk on your wee timeline. The evidence is all there for everyone to see: Celtic's squad has quadrupled in value in the last yr- noo, have yourself a nice wee lie doon in a darkened room bud.

11 Apr 2013 06:34:48
You didn't answer the vital question. Just what concern is it of yours?

@3 your squad value has quadrupled using the seville calculater, your euro run ends in the highest aggregate defeat for about 50yrs, you've drawn 6 and lost 6 so far in the spl compared to last season you drew 3 and lost 5, quality. You were put out the league cup and your crowds have dwindled season 2011/12 50904, 2012/13 45848 and that's spl stats! yes you have loadsa dosh from euro would be amazing if you didn't? but at the end of the day you are a football club in a wee country in a wee league get over yourself, oh and by the way next perm everton manager ally - 14/1, sir walter - 33/1, don't remember seeing NL in the list only in the papers but is 50/1 for the arsenal job same as ally and 33/1 for the man utd. Interesting odds for next Rangers manager right enough.

@6. Rubbish. 42k season tickets sold means the money is around the same as last year. stop being so deluded

Not one of you people disagreeing with my post even once mentioned the timing of McCoist's defense, not one. Sat there to a man focusing on Neil Lennon or Celtic's SPL performance.

But unlike you see no evil, hear no evil's. I'll answer your questions, what value was there on Wanyama, Forster, Hooper and Wilson to name but 4 at the start of the season? And what value now? I'm not saying every player has saw their value increase but the sizeable chunks of dough it would take to buy them mean that more than covers McCourt's value going down by a £100k or so for talking sake.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that bar exceptional teams most suffer from what's known as the European hangover. Look at the run Celtic went on last season just after getting knocked out of the Europa League. Ferguson always claims Manchester United don't play their best domestic football till around Christmas. This year and arguably till Rangers get back Celtic don't need to win every week in the SPL, that is the reality of things right now, there is no real competitor, doesn't mean we are thrilled by it but we in the most part have the good sense to look at the bigger picture.

Attendances, with season ticket cash already in, and both clubs shamelessly adding those empty seats to overall figures, again, does it really matter. Bear in mind Celtic domestic attendance cash will be around double Rangers this season, when will you ever grasp that 19 games x £28 (avg) is a lot better than 18 games at £15 (avg). In the big picture IT ISN'T BOTHERING US. This season Celtic were anticipated to take a hit of £7m due to Rangers not being in the SPL, Europe amply covered that.

The biggest defeat in 50 years, who cares? Juventus are infinitely bigger than Celtic as things stands, this year we helped our Euro ranking no end, got the away win monkey off our back, drew with Barcelona over two games and qualified for the last 16, we are overjoyed by that. Can a team that can't progress to the latter stages of the Ramsden Cup really be pointing fingers at anyone?

As for management, do any of you really think McCoist has the same standing as Lennon, is that even worthy of reply? But I will throw this in, however his tenure at Parkhead ends Neil Lennon WILL manage another team, it is what he wants to do and is clearly in his blood. Ally is like Shearer, wants one job and one job only, has absolutely no interest in it otherwise, his next move south will be to chap Sue's door for his old job back, his history to date suggests its TV or Rangers.

Finally, what has it got to do with me? It's a site where folk can put forth opinions for one, your question is now the standard Rangers defense to anything, don't listen to the point, merely answer it rhetorically with another question or come out with the same old lame unjustifiable finger pointing. Your club is going down the toilet (again) and still you are pre-occupied with looking up Neil Lennon's odds for Everton manager, it's pathetic, hilarious and guarantees that your club will remain in this mire with your small-minded infantile retorts, enjoy. Because with a non-questioning fan base like that you will be in this shambles for a long, long time.

As for my initial point, it shows how much some of you are guided by the flows of one change in the climate. Three weeks ago, even less, Ally was getting pilloried in here, now because Green's stock has plummeted to below his, Ally is flavour of the month again, is it really that straightforward for some of you, man I wish life was that uncomplicated, sometimes the right question is asked at the wrong time and for all the Rangers fans replyers to my post this is one of them but nonetheless I'll ask again why did he take 31 days to defend his squad, come on tell me, I've answered your nonsense questions.

Gaz

Yes ally mcoist is as good a manager as neil lennon, anybody can see that. that is why he simply must stay.
as for the fluke remark, what a plonker. cl stats P12 W7 D1 L4. not bad at all for a first tilt.

11 Apr 2013 15:31:39
No finger pointing, you want questions asked, well what concern is it of yours?

@13) As a Celtic fan who has never wanted Rangers to die I think it only fair to point out that neither side of this current Ibrox divide is much to your benefit, okay that answer it?

Now answer my question, why did Ally wait 31 days to defend his squad?

Gaz

@11 it's your club that puts the valuation on the players, but £20m for wanyama come on. You telling me that you are going to get £20m?
European hangover? you are playing in the spl you said it yourself no competition, top paid professional players in scotland can't play 2 games a week and they get a hangover whenever they play in europe, what are you valuing them at again?
There is no point in comparing the prices at cfc and Rangers waste of time you charge more money the dearest in the country, the rest is arithmetic.
That scoreline shows the gulf of standard especially since you have such a highly valued squad what was it again quad core valuation?
Ok got me, your right, you base your argument not on fact but on hearsay that NL is being 'touted' for the job, infinitely more concrete than a bookies who make their money out of things like this. Anyway how do you know I don't work in a bookmakers?
You make reference to small minded infantile retorts - but use 'down the toilet' and then ' (again)'

OK you've answered our nonsense questions, I'll answer yours - I don't know.

@9 but while parkhead attendance may be down somewhat - the TV audience for CL games involving celtic will have soared.

so commercial values all up up up - more shirts, more sponsors, bigger sponsors. £30m for CL alone.

@15) They may get £10m to £12m for Wanyama, he cost £900k.

The day I realised how Celtic were going to approach the SPL this season was Ross County draw away early season, Hooper was deemed 80-90% likely. Wasn't even a sub, were saving him for midweek and rightly so. Might not have happened in a SPL with Rangers there, drew at Ross Co, won in Europe midweek, I'll take that all day and all night currently. If Celtic won this league by 40 points winning every game they were still getting the same SPL cash, European money was there to be earned, no brainer for me.

I wasn't comparing the prices per se, nor to boast, merely pointing out that drops in SPL attendance were academic, we had the ST cash in the bank and were still making money hand over fist over what will at some point be our biggest domestic rivals again, bigger picture and all that.

Couldn't care if Juve beat us 10-0 over both legs, Europe was a massive success this year, no one saw us getting 3rd in our group no matter qualifying from it.

I saw it on a Everton fan forum, not that it matters, he will still have more offers than McCoist. Do you work in a bookies? I'll tell you straight I managed one for 2 years and the novelty bet section, ie Lennon quoted for next Rangers job at 66/1 are just that, novelties, there aren't enough zero's to cover the odds of either taking the other one's job but bookies won't price them at that, a guy that worked in a bookies would know that of course.

In any course of conversation "down the toilet" is infantile, really? I didn't know that. Thanks for the etiquette lesson. Okay I'll rephrase that sentence again, "your club may suffer another financial embarressment of administration and a failed CVA for the second time. " Your right, that does sound better.

Ahhh thanks for a non-answer answer regards McCoist but at least you tried, eh. He's therefore still a self-serving, spineless opportunist till I get an answer worth considering.

Gaz

11 Apr 2013 22:07:45
@14 my opinion on ally. he's just a puppet getting his strings pulled, trying to keep his job.

Question answered?

Cheers 18, fair enough.

Gaz

10 Apr 2013 19:18:56
What a day for Rangers fans, the first day in the last year that there has been any.

Firstly Whyte loses Ticketus case and ordered to pay £17.7m.
Secondly the police have "raided" several premises searching for documents relating to his takeover of Rangers.

How ironic that the man, if he can be called a man, that had only one intention when he took over Rangers which was to put them into administration, is faced with that very scenario himself. He will lose his appeal, and be made bankrupt. My heart bleeds for him, not.

No point fighting with the missus over the Bentley, no point worrying about the roof of hIs castle in the Highlands, no more anything. The big difference is that he won't have 40,000 people backing him. In fact he will do well to have one supporter. The only thing that would make that even better is if he lands in the pokey and there is a good chance that will happen.

How sweet it is!

Hope you sleep well tonight CW.

Payback is so sweet

Payback? Are you mental? If ticketus win the case they might have a legal claim over the assets of the club! They gave whyte the cash, he abused it. They want their money, so the whole sale could be voided as illegal. Wake up.

@the legal battle has no effect on current operations at Ibrox.

Ticketus owed £17million from whyte, is whytes only assets are IBROX then they get ibrox in settlement.

If green stuffed whyte, then rangers have WON £18million reprieve, but if ticketus can win against whyte (non-disclosure), then whyte can win against green ( entrapment/fraud) and then BDO can win against RiFC.

each time RFC loosed credibity at ever stage

N1 whyte signed the tickitus deal himself taking full responsibility to pay them back I don't know what assets whyte has been ime prety sure he has no assets in govan

1) you wake up there is no chance of them coming against Rangers, you are crazy. Firstly the company that arranged was oldco, secondly Whyte guaranteed amount, that has been stated time and time again. You think that if he wins appeal, of which there is no chance, that they can suddenly come against newco. You are on a different planet.

The whole sale could be voided as illegal, what?

D & P the administrators sold to Green, Whyte did not own as club went bust

How can a sale to Green be voided for a loan that Whyte personally guaranteed?

Every single point you make is more stupid than the one before. You tell me to wake up?

At this moment greatest risk to rfc is the ipo declared void.

all investors warned - buy shares at your own risk, shares can go up or down, no sight os assets. so green covered and takes £1 million and bolts.

or stays and ipo suspended or worse!

3) Good story but absolutely factually incorrect. Whyte does not own Ibrox, they are not his assets. D & P sold assets to newco.

Secondly you state that if green Stuffed whyte then Rangers win. The deal was done with oldco, with Whyte personally securing debt. Newco has nothing to do with this.

There is no entrapment by Green. The oldco was in liquidation. Which means no longer trading. The assets were sold to Green by D & P.

@5 & 6: Have you got ears? green caught on tape asking whyte for money. green claiming a cheque bounced, which it did, but whyte's partner has proof the funds were transferred days later. A payment from whyte to Green that ended in Mr Ahmed's MUM's account. Whyte has a stake in Green's original investment vehicle. I'm afraid you two need to wake up and smell the coffee.

N9 whyte partner confirms think about that statemeng again whytes partner confirms he's a bigger liar than whyte

Lets be realistic Rangers where already in the rubbish before whyte, Murray just given Rangers Fans a face to blame it on other than himself

10 Apr 2013 18:55:35
on tv at 19:00 - police searches carried out in relation to rangers sale 2011. no duff!

Homer will be disappointed.

@1 :) shammy

10 Apr 2013 17:00:45
Does any1 think c whyte has had this all planned from day 1. Drips and drabs coming out but now he lost ticketus case last week he's in full swing to try and grab the rangers assets to pay off the 18million?surely rangers have had boardroom meetings about all this so I ask, why isn't Walter smith not coming out speaking to the fans?another free wage so he won't step on Charles greens toes?

Well you're right on the ball with that post.
Mmmmmmm CW has planned this from day1, apart from of course the Ticketus result.
So he knew all along, the FTTT result, HMRC vote against the CVA, the CVA fails, his friends at the HMRC appointing their own liquidators, the HMRC appeal the FTTT, the SPL investigation falling flat, the football club being in the 3rd div, himself being investigated by the Police and gets banned by the SFA.
Here you might be onto something Pedro and we let a mastermind like that slip through our hands, maybeeee Trainor was right all along with his wealth maybeees it's even in a few biscuit tins.
As for Sir Walter - who won 13 major trophies in seven years, including seven league titles in succession and a european final- very smart man, keeping his cards close to his chest, as for stepping on CGs toes, he's advised him to think before muttering.
If you suss anything else out about CW mind and post it, here do you know anything about CW and the Dallas Cowboys? or was that Debbie does Dallas?

@1; Try and think outside the box mate before dismissing a post.

@ 1. cracking reply loool. brilliant. !

Pedro you forgot Lord Lucan in your post

@1 sorry ment from day 1 of adminastration. why would you record meetings when trying to get business partners with Rangers 5088?why come out and say your intitledto this that and the next thing if u ain't got some sort of case to argue with. knowing ticketus is going to come for u for 18million he ain't got maybe he needed the assets etc but green went a different direction and shafted him as green admitted to. I take it your a fan with his head in the sand. as for Walter, silence is defining

10 Apr 2013 19:25:34
i think sdm is still pulling the strings. neither whyte or green have the brains to match that sod sausage bear

@5 he records all his meetings, ffs.

Duff and Phelps went to court to have the Ticketus debt not included in the Oldco, he probably forgot about that in his master plan. He is bound by the agreement with Ticketus that he will pay back the money and not RFC as he is the security for the loan.
He tried to raise counter actions in the court but they were thrown out.
He taped meetings for his protection and to use against the other people.
As for Sir Walter, silence certainly is dfining and I would rather be an ostrich with my in the sand than the first cuckoo of spring.

@7 your right about d£p with ticketus. but if found that whyte has legal right to assets I. e ibrox etc will white not sell or negotiate with his assets?please keep up. as for Walter I don't blame him. for 40 to 50 grand a year just to sit in meetings and say nothing?almost a bigger waste of wage than traynor

N8 what are you talking about you're contredicting youself duff went to court to make sure whyte had nought then you say what if he has

N9 you ever heard of legal loopholes? Did d&p know Charles was negotiation with white which green admitted to?thank you il be here all wk

Craig whyte owns ibrox. all his other assets have been put out of reach.
think that over.

10 Apr 2013 15:31:32
Brilliant! the SFA have asked for clarification of the whyte situation at the takeover. Thanks Charles, what a mess this is.

10 Apr 2013 14:34:54
Ticketus win £18m court case against CW and the court battle has no effect on current operations at Ibrox. They have also been awarded costs and interest. wee craigy bhoy has until 26th april to appeal.
Maybe he can offset the £18m by his own court cases against duff and Phelps, tv and Ticketus that have still to be lodged in never never land.
Still doesn't excuse Charlie boy and clarity and more is still required, but would like to read the findings involving CW in this Ticketus case.

Apparently both sides knew of this judgement on 5th, hence the reason for releasing the tapes, seriously looking for cash and lots of it plus must be wanting to take a few bodies with him. Does that suddenly mean everything he now claims is true?

It will involve operations at ibrox if he still owns the stadium and Murray park.

What this means is that after his appeal CW will be made bankrupt, what a shame, hope you still thinks he's a smart arse. How ironic that the weasel that is CW will find himself in the same position that he wanted us from day 1. Karma is a real bitch.

No Bentley, no castle in the highlands, no more rubbish. Can't wait

Surely Craig will just transfer all his worldly goods to some stranger in the street, apply for a trust deed, refuse to pay it, declare himself bankrupt, change his name to Craig White, meet up with the stranger and transfer all the goods back to the new Craig White. same old Craig!!


Jd

@3. don't YOU BELIEVE IT FOR ONE MINUTE. these guys are professional conmen. they will have known the result well before us. remember if as it seems to many many people that they're all in it together this will all have been planned out with tricks up their sleeves to make sure it does, nt cost them a penny. how many times have they done this before, and they're still here. the only ones it will do damage to is the rangers and their fans. take the bloody blinkers off and use your napper for once. if you can that is. gary

@3; This is not good news for Rangers either mate. They might have a claim on the Rangers assets.

10 Apr 2013 11:59:11
As Manchester United won't back up Charlie's version of events, should the Legends game be boycotted?

You want to deny a children's charity money?

Great PR.

At 1), I think the OP was being ironic.

@1 How much do you think will go to the children's charity?
Tam

N3 there will be more money going to the charity if the game is played than not played fact

@4 No $hit sherlock, but HOW much, answer the question
Tam

10 Apr 2013 11:22:33
So we're led to believe that ticket us would not have lent CW future season ticket money if they had known about his past! Aye right.

So your going to lend 17.5 million to someone and not do your home work?

I smell a Rat here.

Why is it that Sir David and ticket us both say they would not have sold or leant money to CW if they had known about his past?

These are two astute businesses that have been around for years I'm sure they both do their homework.

Whyte always knew he had a chunk of Rangers, so did Ticketus and Green for that matter. This is whyte playing his aces and it looks like Green is holding a busted flush.

Whyte just lost his battle with Ticketus and to pay £18million. Just lost one of his aces?He'll be needing money now ok.

OP proven in court he conned Ticketus.
(can appeal right enough but that will be to get costs reduced). Remember also there is an ongoing Police investigation into CW up here, what will they make of this?

10 Apr 2013 09:53:10
Time for all fans to get together and take our club back! A majority fan ownership with a percentage from money men or business to generate money!
Rangers, more than a club.

Easier said than done Charles green will want a fortune to sell and I don't think fans have that kind of money, I can see many fans finding something else to do with there money on Sat afternoon from now on, club is a farce now on and off the park.

Charles green can only sell the club for what someone is willing to pay if there is no fans at the games the club ain't worth much then the fans can step in we must get our club away from these money men who care not one jot about our club the standards have slipped so far down the guy has became a joke

@2 The supporter's had the chance and did not do it, what make's you think they will take it now
Tam

N3 I think the fans would buy the club back from cg they could offer to buy it on the never never and maybe cg would except considering sittuation also he put up no money himself so he's in win win sittuation posted mr no name

10 Apr 2013 00:48:55
Felt sorry for Ally tonight. He said he's had congratulations from Canada, America, Australia but few from here. Could it be they didn't have to watch the football on offer this season-----maybe? We did!

Op we maybe never played well but league is in the bag and that was the main objective

10 Apr 2013 00:28:54
Who will be boycotting the game this weekend?
Agree - boycott
Disagree - still going

OP Why not ask. Do you support Gers? Agree - Gers. Disagree - Others.

@1 your 1 of these so called real fans, did you fall hook line and sinker for whyte and green then?

Ithink most of us fell hook line and sinker in the hope everything would turn out ok

09 Apr 2013 23:55:30
I dare say I'm going to get dislikes galore for this but as my track record in here has proven, I'm not exactly going out of my way for likes in the first place am I?

You, the fans, need to instigate a root and branch clear out of your club, by any means possible. Stop seeing everything as a conspiracy. People INSIDE Ibrox have done your club more harm than Larsson's goals, Lennon's management, the BBC, the Daily Record, the SPL and the SFA ever could. I sense a ton of dislikes already, but you are wrong, no one has hurt your club as much as Murray, Whyte and quite possibly Green has.

And every questioned remark and every person you oust will no doubt meet with ridicule from fans of other clubs who will gloat and have a laugh in here, in the pub, at work. But you are going to have to endure that, suck it up and get on with the job in hand, getting to the bottom of what the hell is up with your club. Sometimes it takes a step backwards to go two forwards but this enduring, obstinate defend all things Rangers at all costs despite endless questions being unanswered and some dubious claims being made is now just bordering on pointless defiance.

I get the siege mentality up to a point given the past 14 months or so, I'm sure it has been hellish. But defending a person or a club stance purely not to give ground or show weakness to Celtic fans or whomever else, isn't really a defense, it is merely blinkered defiance. I won't lie to you I'll happily still try and get my kicks in but it's up to you whether you spend you energies debating with me and others or questioning the powers that be that have so pitifully ran your club to this point.

Am I just slagging Rangers for the hell of it here? Nope, on and off the park I'd say you are a good 5 years behind us right now, honestly, I was praying we'd draw you in either Cup this season because short of a miracle I'd imagine it would have been a thrashing. (Again I feel a wave of dislikes coming my way. ) Currently Rangers don't scare me or seem in any way a threat to my club's dominance so I am not putting the boot in just for the sake of it or to keep Rangers down so to speak.

I mentioned Ally's non-denial denial in an earlier post, believe me that mistrust and cynicism came from years of listening to White, McGinn, Farrell and Kelly run Celtic into the ground with their double speak till the mid 90's. Any Celtic CEO has to work hard to gain my trust and their actions better back it up.

What can you do? Protest, in thousands, not the pathetic couple of dozen or so outside Ibrox on February 13th 2012. I've heard many Rangers fans say if that was Celtic that night there would have been thousands of you and they were right. Not The View was very important in keeping the Celtic board accountable, it did exactly what it said on the tin and was in many ways the polar opposite of Celtic's official PR machine, Rangers fans need a sincere, agenda free, vehicle to question anything that is suspect, not just the blinkered hackneyed mantras, In Craig We Trust, We Don't Do Walking Away, Obsessed, WATP, these replies don't get you answers, just more ridicule when it goes pear-shaped. Extreme as it may seem and it may have perilous consequences but season ticket money is your power here, though holding it off till the club folds clearly isn't an option it does give you some leverage.

Demand answers because you want them and forget the short term hits you will take from non-Rangers fans like me in the pursuit of them. It is the only way you will get your club back, defending the indefensible doesn't get back at us, it empowers and arguably further encourages those inside who have led your club to this point. They instilled the siege mentality on some of you, aim those guns at the people who put you in this position not the guys having a cheap pop on a banter site. We should be the least of your worries, no comment on a banter site put Rangers in this position after all.

Gaz

Very, very well said that man. Will they listen and pass it on to other bears who are not here.

LLSTMF

As I write this Gaz has 20 likes and 1 dislike. This must be the sort of Rangers defiance he was talking off. lol

Shuggy

What damage as Lennon's management done to Rangers?

None of them actually liked what I said Shuggy, they just did it to prove me wrong lol.

Gaz

Well said I couldn't have put it better myself.

Celtic Fan

@3) I think it's fair to say he is a bit of a hate figure at Ibrox, more wasted energy on an enemy much further away than the real damage makers.

Gaz

Wrong Gaz, nobody gives a toss about Lennon. I think however that the Celtic fans should look at him, because his record this year in SPL is awful.

Yeah 7) we can hardly sleep at night regards the quality of our manager. okay now that I've stopped laughing. Neil Lennon is despised by many at Ibrox and the insanity of your response, with absolutely no serious logic in it suggests you might be one of them. A typical example of what I'm talking about, the myopic Rangers fan who misses his club being ran FOR THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW by a charlatan while you focus so much in one line of a piece you take issue with, cheers all but made my point for me.

Meantime a wee bit of Shakespeare for you. "In time we hate that which we often fear. "

If the shoe fits.

Gaz

09 Apr 2013 23:46:25
After watching tonights STV interview with Mr Green, which was a car crash, his credibility is in tatters. Manchester Utd, Dallas Cowboys and Adidas, to name a few of his wild claims, have all been proved to be nonsense. Caught lying about the timings of the Rangers 5088/Rangers Scotland issue and caught on tape asking green for money. Yes the cheque may have bounced, but whyte's business partner has proof of payment from his account a few days later. This stinks to high heaven and the fall out could be severe. The IPO, the assets sale and even the licence to play league football could be in danger. Whyte ain't going away, not without his pay off anyway, is that Greens next move?

He'll pay off CW and get away with it unless we act.

Think green is a goner - stv ripped him to shreds.


So now there is further tape with green asking whyte for cash for legal expenses, and £25k arrives in greens account from whyte, bounces, then Aidey pays two days later £25k etc.

Green batttered and evasive - and this is the Rangers CEO?

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/220759-charles-green-challenged-on-manchester-united-and-dallas-cowboys-claims/

09 Apr 2013 23:56:08
Green's advice to Ally to get rid of McDowell and Durrant is the only sensible thing he has said since he arrived on the scene!

But green did this at sheffield to, to replace loyal and honest staff with his new replacements - who he could control. !

Do you want RFC cleared of loyal bears - and replaced with green hand picked men and players?

really

10 Apr 2013 11:42:05
It was those "loyal bears" that got you into this mess. clear them all out, get people in that know how to run a club, forget about ex-gets coming in also, all they have ever done is take money out of rangers then when career over turn up at ibrox for free tickets and free hospitality, they are all bloody leeches.

N2 them leaches you talk of gave us our history