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07 Oct 2016 19:01:52
Although I like Barton I do agree it would be asinine if he started. I'm just trying to be positive because I do believe (or hope) he will come good.
1.) 07 Oct 2016 20:10:41
Asinine eh?
2.) 07 Oct 2016 21:14:23
Ooo cheese baguette.
3.) 08 Oct 2016 09:37:55
okay next time I'll say very foolish.
4.) 08 Oct 2016 12:19:17
dont you go speaking them there long words now ross. this heres a football site, we don't take too kindly to them there posh talking words ( to be read in a redneck accent please )
5.) 08 Oct 2016 13:28:21
I'm far from posh I'm as working class as anyone on here.
6.) 08 Oct 2016 19:39:01
Speak for yourself Ross. I'm posh as f**k so am urr.
07 Oct 2016 09:33:34
Been saying it since his supspension and I've been down voted but Barton is the best player in the squad. Period. It's not debatable and its not even close (although to be fair to Kranjcar no one knows how fit he will get) . As usual people buy into media talk, we were starting to get fit as a team when his suspension started and now that the team is fit hopefully he will be able to come in at the same level of fitness and make a impact.
Barton isn't arrogant he is a million times better than Scottish football and we shouldn't pretend like he isn't because his confidence makes you insecure.
1.) 07 Oct 2016 10:08:18
what's so special about Barton? he's a good player granted but he's just an average player he doesn't score goals he doesn't create anything and at the celtic game he couldn't stop goals either. kranjcar is a special player maybe he is past his best but still a far better footballer than Barton.
2.) 07 Oct 2016 10:45:18
Pound for pound Barton would be playing at the highest level of all our squad if they chose to sign elsewhere and that simply points to him being the better player. None of our squad outwith Rossiter are that level (Maybe Dodoo but its till too early to tell with these players) . He ran the game in the championship last season, his ability to pick out a pass (long diagonal or short) is very good he rarely if at all misplaces a pass and his diagonals help us turn to defence from attack quickly (something that Haliday and Crooks don't offer from the position) If we had a player of Barton's quality up front it would be far more obvious since a lot of Barton's game is off the ball/ breaking down play. He's by a mile our best player and Kranjcar is the only one close but as I've said we don't know how fit he will get. Burnley slapped us about preseason and they wanted him back for next season. Just because you think he's a w*** doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the squad. Just because he doesn't shy away from saying he is the best player in the squad, doesn't mean he is either. You are the kind of person who would kiss Haliday's a*** if you could get away with it when Haliday is half the player.
3.) 07 Oct 2016 11:10:13
Barton isn't arrogant! Haha belter! you're actually serious aren't you? And he's a million times better than Scottish football! Yes, it looked that way in Parkhead a few weeks ago when he was chasing shadows!
Barton is a a total half wit who looks out for number 1 and puts the boot into anyone he feels like! Wait for him to put the boot into your club as soon as something happens again, and something will happen!
4.) 07 Oct 2016 11:15:41
Best player but worst attitude. You can't undermine your manager in front of other staff. that's not professional. The same way they shouldn't berate you in front of other staff. Barton is very outspoken and needs to curb his enthusiasm, realising he is still a player and not the manager. He's been employed for his football skills not his opinion or soundbites. I do however want him back in the team in a 3-5-2 formation playing two wingbacks (Wallace and Tavernier) .
5.) 07 Oct 2016 11:46:16
sorry but Barton is a run of the mill footballer who wins the ball back and gives it to the better players. he's never been at the level of kranjcar. Barton is 35 years old maybe he will never reach the heights of last season, I don't mind him but he's not the best player at our club never mind scottish football. he has a he'll of a lot of work to do to even make the bench for us.
6.) 07 Oct 2016 12:00:38
Cee Kranjcar hasn't been at that level for about 6 years. Barton's been at the top end of quality his WHOLE career. I'm not saying Kranjcar can't get it back but right now Barton is by far our best player, people can't take emotions and there own views out of it for a second to realise it. They aren't the same type of player tho although if we had got someone of his quality in an attacking position (think Andre Gray when we played against Burnley) it would be far more obvious. He does love the club and that was evident with the first few games of the season but losing 5-1 to them must have been a sore one for him. That cometitive drive is what propelled him to being a top player as you've said he isn't the most talented player in comparison to others around him but it doesn't mean he isn't a low end of the table EPL CDM. Is Haliday? let's not pretend he's anywhere close.
7.) 07 Oct 2016 13:06:49
barton is a trouble making journeyman. Why do you think he never lasts at a club. A liability in my opinion but it is what it is he's a ranger so he gets the backing.
8.) 07 Oct 2016 13:39:32
barton on paper is better than anyone we have but hasn't shown that on the pitch and since he isn't going anywhere and wants to fight for his place then let him as he will have to improve vastly to get into the team as he isn't anywhere near holt halliday or rossiter or windass for that matter with everyone fit he is a third choice midfielder in our squad unless he can prove otherwise I don't really care.
if hje starts to get games and isn't perfoming well then people will get on his back and I will be one of them.
9.) 07 Oct 2016 13:41:03
I think Ross must be Bartons Da lol. honestly he's bang average, wouldn't even be in my team if everyone was fit.
10.) 07 Oct 2016 14:08:05
Bartons nothing special let's not make it out he is, and right now all he has shown at ibrox is that he isn't half the player of scott brown, best player in Scottish football? the best player in Scottish football wouldn't get suspended for 3 weeks by their own club when they are going through a rough patch. I like Barton he's descent but still and old epl player like the others before him who thinks he's special. he has a lot of work to do.
11.) 07 Oct 2016 14:23:53
At least James Stirling has some common sense. I haven't said that his performances have warranted that title but he is by far our best player. Straw man arguments bluedie, don't win an arguments. If he's bang average our whole squad is beneath that as I've said you're the kind of person who is in love with Haliday when he's by far our worst mid.
12.) 07 Oct 2016 14:26:00
And Cee, you've self proclaimed that only Windass has got pass marks in some of the games, the whole squad was poor nothing to do with Barton they weren't fit. Easily the best player in our squad and your dumb if you think otherwise.
13.) 07 Oct 2016 16:03:04
Ross W,
As with all of these things it depends on how you define"best". Yes Barton has played at a higher level for longer than anyone else in the squad is that enough in itself, maybe. Is he technically more gifted than Kranjcar, a better tackler perhaps but passer or dribbler I would say not. Then we come to attitude and character, never mind saying he would be the best player what did he do to prepare for this"mantle"virtually no pre season because of his media commitments. If you are 34 and have got a tough new season coming up where you have to live up to your self proclaimed status why would you behave in that way. It has to be arrogance for me. He underestimated how fit he needed to be and got his come-uppance. Also being the best player should mean he could fit seamlessly into any formation we play whereas he looked as if he were struggling in a 433.For me being the best player in the squad is a combination of attributes and I don't believe Barton possesses what it takes to deserve the title in most aspects.
14.) 07 Oct 2016 19:34:07
Ross u just go off on a rollercoaster of pure nonsense mate, if you ever read my posts I've been highly critical of halliday all season. and for you to say i'm in love with halliday when you are gushing over barton is just too funny.
15.) 07 Oct 2016 19:36:22
Regardless of how good he is or was he doesn't fit our system at all. Lacks mobility and real technical ability, both of which are critical to our midfield three. I'm not a huge Halliday fan but he's undoubtedly more mobile and has a better touch and passing! Barton can mix it up and stick a foot it, what his game has always been based on, but it's of zero use if he can't get near anyone. Rossiter is able to mix it up and is mobile, Niko is technically the best passer in the league by a mile etc. So what is it that anyone expects Barton to offer that makes him even as good as them?
16.) 07 Oct 2016 21:35:49
Spot on RFCinfinity. abit of common sense. I actually think Ross1995 said in an earlier post that "barton loves us"please tell me i read that wrong😂ðŸ™.
17.) 07 Oct 2016 23:40:22
Barton isn't arrogant haha you must be on the cans. He's been getting the run around by average midfielders all season. At least halliday scores goals and plays for the shirt not himself. Scott brown isn't great but every airial battle with barton brown showed more hunger and aggression.
18.) 07 Oct 2016 23:51:31
Your heavily criticising Halliday but it's wrong for others to have an opinion on Barton. I don't see anyone spitting the dummy out about that like u are. Before the Aberdeen game it showed clips of Barton and on numerous occasions players walked past him and he never chased back when his role is to mop up. Let's be honest he has been total crap and he wouldn't be anywhere near my starting 11.
I was excited when he signed but couldn't care less anymore. The difference between this season and last is we used to be explosive going from back to front and it hasn't happened this year because the midfield was too slow. The quicker windass joins holt in midfield the better and atleast Halliday fights and gives us everything.
19.) 08 Oct 2016 07:36:35
Spot on JD90.another fine post. i was actually starting to question myself abt Barton/ Gascoigne, thinking that i was totally missing something special abt this "superstar"
20.) 08 Oct 2016 07:41:50
Exactly Barton has made a career with limited ability with his dig and will to win bit even that's went to s&@t. had to laugh at the story abt his agent winding him up abt Sir Fergie wanting him at Man U, (DOH Joey, my my you really are away with the birdies if you believed that😂)
05 Oct 2016 11:31:23
Anyone else finally agree with me that Waghorn is so over rated? Went missing in big games last season, is injury prone and has no right foot at all. The only reason he looked good was because he was skipping past dross fullbacks.
Said at the start of the season that him and Haliday had to be the most over rated players in the squad but at least Haliday is putting in a performances.
1.) 05 Oct 2016 12:12:03
most overrated players by far are Miller and forrester. Kenny miller has zero ability nearly every single time he receives the ball he passes it straight back.
2.) 05 Oct 2016 12:44:27
Lol, kenny miller has no ability? Your of your nut mate.
Forrestr haeen our stand out performer this season also.
3.) 05 Oct 2016 13:11:40
Waghorn has scored a few this season but I tend to agree that he goes missing in games.
Don't know what you are going on about Cee, Miller tracks back, scores important goals and has great vision.
The guys done great for us and still puts a decent shift in.
4.) 05 Oct 2016 13:18:05
Cee, can I get some of what you are on? In fact don't bother. You are talking complete garbage. Miller is easily better and will achieve more in the game than waggy ever will.
5.) 05 Oct 2016 13:36:13
Agree that waggy and forrester are but Miller, come on what are some people smoking on here. he along with krankjar is the most intelligent player we have and we should count ourselves lucky to have such a dedicated pro at our club.
6.) 05 Oct 2016 13:57:35
Forrester has shown ability for me and unlike Waghorn seems to come to life in bigger games. Has Waghorn even signed a new contract? If he hasn't it's because he thinks he's bigger than us. "Waghorn's on fire, against lesser opposition. "
Dodoo has looked a million times better and since they are most similar position for position he should be starting instead.
7.) 05 Oct 2016 14:03:29
kenny Miller has no footballing ability he's is a man down. runs about passing the ball directly back to the man who gave him it trying to be a midfielder he's useless, doesn't even have the energy he used to. should be nowhere near the squad.
8.) 05 Oct 2016 14:03:37
Let's be honest, our current side lacks the quality we once had and the quality required to catch Celtic.
However we have what we have, we must make the most of it and support the team- getting on their backs archives nothing. Look at our first championship season and remember how difficult it was for team playing at ibrox.
End of the season is the time to judge.
9.) 05 Oct 2016 14:35:34
Harry is a class act. Excellent footballer and some drive. Miller played for them so I don't even register his performances.
10.) 05 Oct 2016 16:33:42
Don't think waghorn has ever got over injury he got at kilmarnock cup game last season hasn't been same player since.
11.) 05 Oct 2016 17:09:39
or maybe he isn't good enough for the spl.
12.) 05 Oct 2016 18:03:39
Montypiefan, what a reasonable way to judge a person.
Everyone does jobs they wouldn't normally now and then to make ends meet.
13.) 05 Oct 2016 18:06:50
Yeah because the quality of opposition is better jaws. He never showed up against SPFL opposition and now he isn't again. No more songs for Waghorn till he actually grows into the shirt. I've said it already but Dodoo is the perfect example. He is doing what waggy was last season because he is a far better player.
14.) 05 Oct 2016 18:24:12
Plus f*** Waghorn refusing a contract extension when he can't even stay off the medical bed.
15.) 05 Oct 2016 18:40:31
I'm surprised dodoo isn't getting decent run in team know he's had injury but when we signed him I thought he would have been a regular .
16.) 05 Oct 2016 20:49:22
Dodoo has shown signs of quality but we need to remember he has only had 7 or 8 professional games. Garners the one i think we need to give a good run.
17.) 05 Oct 2016 22:18:13
Plenty of ability dodoos got ross w but let's be fair he's not made much of an impression apart from s couple of cameos saying that I do think he could be really good, I'd play waggon up top a couple of games wae dodoo on right if not working give garner a run of games, and regarding kenny miller guys been a magnificent servant to us and still has an effect in every game magnificent professional.
18.) 06 Oct 2016 14:09:42
cee
you must be on drugs miller is a brilliant player mate one of our best I don't cee where u are coming from!
forrester has no talent?
seriously dude u need a check up fae the neck up or stop smoking whatever it is your smoking because u obviously have been watching the games he has played in and if u have your vision is impared the boy has to be our most technically gifted player along with McKay and to say otherwise is wow just wow mate!
02 Oct 2016 11:11:01
Good to see Haliday proving me wrong over the past few weeks. Always good to keep a clean sheet. This could be our defensive partnership going forward to be fair and it's only had one chance to play.
Almost everyone fully fit and match fit Kranjcar is the perfect example of this.
How Holt and Wilson aren't in the scotland line up is beyond me there both quality.
1.) 02 Oct 2016 14:10:06
RossW1995,andy halliday would always be in my starting 11 mate, each team needs a player like halliday in their midfield, he plays with his heart, gets stuck in about it and gives his absolute all for his club and team mates, you can see what it means to him, he inspires all his team mates around him, andy is undoubtedly captain material without actually being the captain! he sets the tempo for rangers as well as chipping in with goals with his sweet left peg, he's also a good passer, so what more can we ask of a midfielder? I've all the time in the world for halliday and a certain starter for our upcoming semi final against celtic, I'll tell you one thing, scott brown will know he's been in a game by the end of it, that's for sure!
2.) 02 Oct 2016 14:24:34
In the early part of the season he was our box to box mid (Think Barton (dm), Kranjcar (am) Haliday (b2b) and he wasn't offering anything. Just like to point out the coincidence of Holt rejoining the starting line up and everyone playing better, Haliday included. Don't see how he is a better player at CDM than Barton, Rossiter and Crooks mind you and that's why I said he was our worst midfielder. He hasn't shown me that he's better although he has upped his performances. He has grew as the season has went on and so has our team. Already explained why I think the shitfred cup cost us and playing 50% of the games Celtic had by the first time we played them wasn't ideal either.
For me we are better due to Holt. We don't tick without him. Look to last season at christmas we slumped when he was out injured for a couple of weeks. Just show's balance in midfield is more important than who is actually playing there.
Time is all we need.
3.) 02 Oct 2016 15:08:40
Ross w totally agree about Wilson and Scotland he's surely worth a shout before Gordon Greer a 35 yr old.
4.) 02 Oct 2016 15:16:16
Ive been critical of Our Andy in past posts abt taking to many touches and getting caught in possession but i think he's read some of my posts because he's playing the nice 1/ 2 touch stuff now so hats off. he's living the dream for the rest of us🔴⚪ï¸ðŸ”µðŸ‡¬ðŸ‡§.
5.) 02 Oct 2016 15:08:11
Great to get a good win but let's not get carried away, again.
One swallow doesn't make a summer.
Holt is not in the Scotland squad because our other attacking midfield players such as Snodgrass, Ritchie and Morrison are far, far better players. Holt has done well for us and is a busy little player but he isn't international class.
Wilson simply hasn't played well enough or played enough football to merit a Scotland call up. Scotland are crying out for central defenders but until he cuts out errors and can be described as a rock he won't get called up.
6.) 02 Oct 2016 17:58:44
RossW, . How can you possibly compare Rossiter, Crooks or Windlass. Unless they are performing extremely well on the physio table, then we have nothing much to go on!
A lot of folks on here keep throwing these names in - Crooks and Windlass have been injured since the beginning of the year. Rossiter has played 25 minutes in a friendly. What makes you think they will improve things?
7.) 02 Oct 2016 20:23:44
Bil72 I never mentioned Windass since he doesn't play the position. I'm comparing him to others in the role. Haliday has self confessed he isn't a defensive mid. Crooks has as much quality on the ball has him, is far more physical and also much faster. May I add that Rossiter has had far more minutes than you think I'm sure he's played at least 4 games for us since coming. I thought Rossiter was the best player in Scotland but now there is a debate on the table with dembele. The guy will be our best player at some point based on everything said about him and what we have seen. Barton although he hasn't done much is the best player in the squad and just because he's suspended and isn't necessarily helping doesn't mean we should pretend he isn't. Maybe Kranjcar stepping up and Haliday showing he can take his position will kick him into gear. Position for position in my opinion he is the worst cm in the team. Holt, Windass, Kranjcar, Rossiter, Barton, Crooks, Forrester. On performances this season however especially when Holt has been in the side he has looked very good.
8.) 02 Oct 2016 21:33:25
I have to admit that halliday has impressed me more and more recently, I was of the impression everyone was buying into the diehard status but of late (since the Barton saga) he's really stepped up in my opinion! What he lacks in finesse he more than makes up for in heart.
Great to see holt back tho, still can't believe we snapped that guy up for so little! Must be up there with the best bargains in recent times! So much drive, vision and determination! Strachans naivety is rangers gain in my opinion.
9.) 03 Oct 2016 03:53:01
ROSS W some of your theories are good but some astound me, would a maanger rather his team played 50% more or less games than an opposition|?
Are you a lawyer you have an excuse for everything .
10.) 03 Oct 2016 10:20:31
In terms of preseason the more games you have the quicker you will get up to speed. Celtic had double our games against quality oppositions which in my opinion has allowed them, with a good transfer policy, to have such a good start. They played against the English champions, inter ect. We played against East Stirling, stranrar and annan. We were only tested in one of our preseason games and that was Burnley, and it was too late. If we were able to make our own preseason plan we might have got up to speed quicker. I wouldn't say it was an excuse either its a pretty valid reason, especially with our squads fitness, that more games would have benefited us before the start of the season. Celtic made 3 signings we made 11. By the old firm game celtic had played around twice the number of games we had. At preseason match fitness comes from game time. With the winter break this won't matter at all as Celtic will have time to recover.
01 Oct 2016 16:29:48
Joe Dodoo what a prospect.
1.) 01 Oct 2016 16:58:13
Yeah he done well when he came on.
2.) 01 Oct 2016 22:35:52
Dodoo is a class player, if we can keep him fit and give him game time he'll be worth 10 million in a few seasons.
3.) 03 Oct 2016 04:43:07
he will be worth 10 million yes, but if we are offered 2 million we will accept. we don't have the backing to wait for a 10 million offer.
unlike celtic who will get 15+ for dembele then buy a replacement for 1.5 million.
so really same same
if there is a sniff the youngster is progressing we will be offered double our money and bite their hands off. 10 million are you having a laugh?
09 Oct 2016 10:57:20
Rangers and Celtic are Scottish clubs when you invest in a top (not currently for us but historically) that money goes to the Scottish club who then would reinvest it in Scottish football. Buying a Barcelona strip is dreadful in all senses as its money going out the Scottish economy completely that historically would have been in our game. That crippling TV money, in particular the sky ransom, had our game at its knees only now that BT are commanding a market share can we get a fair TV deal that could get us back on the European stage.
07 Oct 2016 15:56:27
If everyone would just cancel there sky sports subscriptions and subscribe to a televison network actually supporting our game (BT) maybe we would have a better TV deal, but you all insist in tuning in to Manchester City vs Manchester United like it has any relevance to you at all. You give them the money by continuing to watch there dross. You allow them to make an elite euro league because you watch there dross. Turn it off, start supporting your team in scotland no more Barelona tops (The most sold strip in scotland what a complete joke) attend the match games every so often and only watch your club.
But I forget how many of you are easily amused with a quick graphic and some English guy talking nonsense off a script he was given by a smarter man.
26 Sep 2016 18:47:32
He doesn't even understand what a rolling contract is.
16 Sep 2016 06:43:16
Andy makes sense, but you know it's a rumours site ed001 right? Would make sense that we use common sense and reasoning like Andy since we have little to not information yet. He who is without sin should cast the first stone. At least until we know exactly what is going on. We got the information days late when people realised he don't show for training which tells me there's a good chance no one knows the specifics outside of Rangers especially considering how they conduct themselves these days. Who asked about it at Thursday's presser?
{Ed001's Note - but that is not what you were saying. I think you are so busy trying to be a superfan that you are forgetting where you are. If you don't want speculation, don't come online or talk to anyone. Otherwise give your opinion, fine, but don't tell others what to do if they want to give theirs or pass on what they have heard, correct or not. It is not for you to decide what gets said by who and the first stone is always cast by Barton, so that saying is a load of crap. If you don't want speculation online, don't have your players stirring it up on social media to try and increase their profile ready for when they retire.}
15 Sep 2016 18:18:51
He didn't appear for training today so I feel this story is fabricated or at least guess work. We don't know why he wasn't there yet so we shouldn't speculate like we have information.
{Ed001's Note - bit pointless you being on a rumour site really isn't it?}
23 Oct 2016 12:21:36
Crooks has been out so long he's no where near match speed, don't expect any information on players until after the old firm game. information is a prisoner at these times.
11 Oct 2016 13:04:20
He plays 4-3-3 regardless of who we are playing he's not for changing the formation under any circumstance.
10 Oct 2016 18:46:53
Human beings find it really hard to be impartial, if Barton had hit the ground running and he was suspended there would be an uproar. If it was any player other than Barton people would find a more of a middle ground. Since the guy isn't shy to voice what he thinks or feel (as we all are here) he displays 'arrogance' (Under estimating scottish football and over estimating his skills are different things btw) by telling everyone he is better when his career shows he is. You know what **** that Barton guy we were all ecstatic/ couldn't believe we'd lured to the club.
He now if he gets the boot he wouldn't have had a realistic chance to prove himself. Look at Kranjcar if we based his performances back when Barton was suspended, he would have been a flop too and now look how he is coming on. None of us realistically have enough information to make a solid judgement and we really should wait until more information comes out.
10 Oct 2016 18:40:18
At least you have all the information on the situation to tell if we are handling it correctly or not.
08 Oct 2016 20:51:23
I don't care for the national side my only interest in football is Rangers.