Rangers Rumours Archive April 08 2013

 

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08 Apr 2013 20:00:08
To move onto something else other than Green and Whyte. I was quite impressed with Queens young left winger Spittal and their left back Robertson. Both looked confident and attack minded. Maybe looking at guys like this would be an option. Could be picked up for little money, minimal contract and possibly good potential or the future. To be honest I'd rather that than looking to places like Panama etc. One of Walters strengths was building a team with a strong Scottish core an I think that should be a focus for us for the next few seasons.

Parky

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You are deluded my friend if you think we will sign players from queens park or any other 3rd div team never going to happen we need quality and i'm sick of hearing give youth their chance we have and majority havnt stepped up simple as

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At last a bit of realistic thinking maybe not 3rd devision but on the right path and to 2nd poster what do U want fling even more money down the pan at spl players and foren ones demanding bug bucks because they can't seem to kick there own ar55 ether. Good to see a post that's a bit comensavy parky

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@ 1. Why am I deluded? Yes I do think we should be giving youth a chance but I am not suggesting that we play a whole team of youths. We need a good balance of youth and experience in the team. At the minute we are paying thousands of pounds a week on the likes of Cribari, Argyriou and Kyle. What do these players actually offer? Take Cribari, in my opinion he has been absolutely terrible. He’s also 33 years of age, so is it likely he will still be with us come the SPL? Would we really want him to be? At his age his footballing talents aren’t going to improve but instead will steadily decline. Surely there is a young footballer playing in our league structure, or indeed any British league structure, that could do the exact same job as Cribari? Even if at worst this young footballer performed exactly as badly as Cribari has this season the difference would be that he is 10-12 years younger, costs a fraction of the wages but crucially he also has the potential to improve. Whether you like it or not we are a Third division club and next season we will be a Second division club. This is the level of football that we are at and we need to be realistic about it. However don’t get our current football level confused with our club’s stature. A club of our stature should be in the top division of our country without question and we will get back there. However when we do we need to be in a financially strong state to allow us to be competitive in that division. Currently we do not need a team that will make us competitive in the SPL. We need a team that will allow us to challenge for and win the Second division, who are able to keep improving and learning as we go so that at the end of next season we are in a position to challenge for the First Division title. That is our footballing level at the minute and that is what we must concentrate on. To rule out any player simply because of the league he plays in is incredibly close minded of you. From your statement about us never signing a third division player I assume you believe that players at this level have nothing to offer us. If that is the case then why would we and indeed other SPL clubs regularly loan out our youngsters to this level of club? The reason we did so was to get them regular first team experience. How is that any different to looking at two under 21s playing regularly in the Queens Park first team? This is just my opinion and you are entitled to your own. However perhaps rather than just brand me deluded you could engage in a meaningful discussion and put forward your vision of how the club should progress.

Parky

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Parky, do you know the contract situation of the 2 players you mentioned? If they are not out of contract at the end of the season, then there was no reason at all to bring your point up, we can't sign them. As for the point you make about looking to the lower leagues of Scotland and England for players, don't you think other top clubs will be looking at them aswell? So then we would need to pay them inflated wages to come to us in the lower leagues, makes that point void aswell

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You are deluded we need a bit of quality not bloody 2nd and 3rd div players yes we need to get rid of few duds to but be realistic

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Hear hear an excellent post. these divisions are battles and i'm afraid the young guys you have and your "SPL Quality" players are just not up for it. Ian black the hardman of the spl has been shown for the hardman he really is by countless 3rd div journeymen. not a rangers fan but have seen QOS on a number of occasions and imo that is your model to rise through the leagues. ICT and Ross county also. i'm not sure if the majority will agree but some of ally's marquee signings are stealing a living out of rangers and will be no better next year

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If you read my original post properly I said that I was impressed by these two players and that maybe we should look at players LIKE these. I think you are failing to understand my point. I wasn't stating that we should only look at these two players, merely highlighting them as an example of talented youngsters who may be out there. Now, with regards to your comment about paying inflated wages making my point void. I really don't understand where you are coming from with this. Competition for players will always mean that wages will be forced up due to how in demand the player is. Do you think that if we try and sign say Jon Daly or Tom Hately that Championship clubs won't be looking at them and willing to offer more money? As far as I'm concerned we have been paying over the odds for the so called SPL quality players we signed this season.

Parky

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Well said Parky we are already losing 1 mill every month yet people want us to pay premier league wages to free transfers. who is going to bankroll this?
The holiday time is up time to realise that nobody wnats to watch the drivel that McCoist puts out every week 4 5 bl--dy 1 the average crowd has now dropped to just over 30,000 from nearly 50,000 so by that so has the revenue. So keep dreaming we have another 2 long hard years in front of us before we could think of signing SPL Players

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08 apr 2013 13:38:27
hi ed, if these rumours about green / whyte prove to be true, would someone like kennedy and others have any grounds to take legal action over who got preferred status rights at the time, as i would have thought it would have cost him and his backers a few pound to a put a bid together ( legal costs ) only to find out d & p had handed rangers on a plate to two people who could now have been working together, cheers ed! {Ed001's Note - any rejected bidder would not only have grounds for legal action, but should be able to overturn the sale, if it is true.}

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It doesn't matter to D&P who was working with whom, CW was quite entitled to bid for his own assets or company, it happens all the time.

The demonisation of CW is a fallacy, the bottom line was Rangers were going down once they exited Europe regardless of who owned them. Lloyds would have pulled the plug in August under SDM.

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08 Apr 2013 16:09:32
Surely if whyte has anything to do with it then it'll be the fans who get punished again because he is banned by the sfa from having anything to do with any team in Scotland! So no doubt it'll be another punishment for us!

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Ed if rumours are true and
the sale is overturned
what happens to shares
and the monies raised thru
the share issue by fans and
investors {Ed001's Note - there would be so many complications it is difficult to be sure. The likelihood is that people would have to fight in court to get their money back. I believe, or so I am told by someone who does this kind of thing for a living, the share issue underwriter would probably end up covering the costs incurred reimbursing the shareholders.}

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Don't think you are correct Ed, I do not believe there is any comeback or possible reversal of decision. This happened a year ago, how can they change the decision now?

D & P sold to the best offer available that was Green. The Kennedys, Browns, Smiths, had their chance. {Ed001's Note - it is not that simple I am afraid, it would really come down to proving the best offer was not the one that was accepted. If it can be proven there was collusion with the administrators, then you are talking a very serious criminal fraud case. Though it could be that is adjudged that too much time has passed and financial compensations are awarded instead. Impossible to say until a case is proven one way or the other.}

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So did whyte not turn up promising the world? Big budgets, handing out huge contracts to several players thus increasing the black hole? Whilst sdm etc were refusing contracts to boyd miller etc? Whyte very much at fault. He didn't have to buy rangers. No one made him. If he knew what was coming if no europe then why did he not punt the big players in august after elimination. Or in Jan. Then he could have paid paye. As history will prove we went down for about 15 million or so. If you can't see whyte was a wrongun open your eyes. Club was a in a state no doubt. But he made it a million times worse. Sdm paid the paye and ni.

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CW was not parting with any of his own money because he knew the high risks, he was quite happy to gamble on Europe with other people's money, and it did not work out. The bottom line is Rangers would have made 10-15 million in the CL but they didn't, and paid the ultimate price. SDM took one last throw of the dice, he knew no one would give him 14 million for his shares as a going concern.

The only reason he traded on after October was in the vain hope of selling big in the transfer window, and that didn't work out either.

I believe he will be prosecuted by HMRC for orchestrating a liquidation, and he will be quite happy to drag other conspirators into the mire.

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If the sale is overturned the assets etc. that were sold would return to oldco. & to BDO to raise funds for the creditors. They would not be sold
as cheap as green got them. It could also mean that the SFA could withdraw the licence & the SFL the associate membership as they were issued as they were issued under false representation by green. Scary days ahead.

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The assets were for public sale from the get go, nothing stopped any bidder from making an offer for the assets only, and few did.

Why people believe these assets were sold cheap is beyond me, the assets have little residual value to anyone other than Rangers, and Rangers was a loss making business model. CG's offer actually included a few million for the players value, in effect the fixed assets were only worth a few million, and that sounds about right in today's market.

The value of Rangers assets reduces in proportion to the investment needed to rebuild or refinance Rangers.

So if you need to spend 30 million to bankroll Rangers until they get back into the SPL then that 30 million is deducted from the value of the footballing assets.

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Whatever happens it will be very messy and another own goal. When will this torture finally end, and the fans told the truth, SDM lied, Whyte well when did he do anything else, Green lied only the fans suffer!

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Just ask SDM and his Premier Property empire how much land and property values have crashed since 2008. The value on paper in a company's books has little to do with the actual realisable value of these assets. The stadium is a purpose built property, remove the purpose and its just another piece of land in Ibrox less demolition costs.

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