Rangers Rumours Archive April 08 2012

 

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08 Apr 2012 20:45:34
Celtic supporter passing on what I've heard. Ed is there any truth in Naismith having his head turned towards a move to WBA? I know they have had a bid already knocked back but heard he has got his side of the deal agreed in principle. Cracking player and would be a big lose to Rangers and the SPL.
Daz the Hoopy

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You would be passing on that if you are a celtic fan. i heard a number of celtic players have their eye on the premiership as well. if you are good enough thats where you go.

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No surprise from here, heard and read to many rumours concerning Steven ,rate him very highly as a player but if he wants to go good riddance, after all the injury time he has had you would think he would have given us at least one full season. Significant he has not come out and quashed the many rumours. Probably find out the truth about him when shagger or jig write there books watp

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I think all players on big contraccts wil be gone. We cant afford them. 10 grand or thereabouts a week is where well have to look now. It's about buying young and nurturing and selling at a profit.

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Well we'll see who the real gers fans in the rangers squad,come the end of the season,if they all cant wait to leave.hope the fans give them pelters if they do leave. WATP

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Straight from naismiths best mate. Davie weir has been trying to talk him into joining jelavic at everton! They are prepared to double his wages! Him and ally are not the best of buds! Can't see him staying but sick of everton poaching our best players for minimal fees.

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What do you mean good riddance, and lets give the leaving players petlers, get a fkn grip. you leave your current employer and get a better deal at another firm would you expect pelters or gratitude and thanks for your contribution to the team. jog on man, you wont get me slagging anyone who wants to leave rangers now or in the future. look at the state of the country never mind rangers. players come and players go thats football mate, and yes rangers till i die but i aint on 20 grand a week and if i was i would not just stay at rangers for the sake of it the guys have wives and family to care for just like us fans.
jammydodger

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Just like Rangers try (sorry, tried) to 'poach' other clubs players for minimal fees?

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You have just won the league and you are on here sh@t stirring about our players! Get a life!

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I can't see any decent Hector player staying...off course they are going to leave...would you stay in your job if you were not paid what you are worth.... You youth team is currently a joke...so I see some very lean years ahead for the Hectors.

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And Celtic have never poached players from smaller clubs ? That'll be another village missing an idiot.

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All footballers are fickle individuals. They
run around kissing club badges but they
will up and go when money is on offer
totally forgetting that their clubs have
looked after them well when they have
been injured. Wee Naismith is no different.

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Who is the juvenile wee tube calling us hectors? grow up son.

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Where there's smoke there's fire, and there's not been a shortage of stories re naisy sadly.

mind you - if your employer was in administration, you'd taken a 75% pay cut and there was no certainty of a happy ending wouldn't you have a look around yourself.

would love naisy to stay but if he or any of the other good earners leave then I for one won't be giving them pelters. they've done a heck of a lot for the club. them leaving may just be part of the painful adjustment we'll no doubt have to go thru over the next 2-3 years.

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Aye dad when you grow up you can call someone a juvenile wee tube.

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Aye, good come back.

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Think its all gonna depend on the result of the liquidation. If we drop to the third any player in thier right mind will go to play at a higher level, nothing to do with not liking rangers, just keeping themselves playing at the highest level as long as they can.

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08 Apr 2012 22:17:52
Just wondering if any of the Celtic fans that told us Lafferty wouldn't play again (because of a clause in his contract regarding appearance money to Burnley) can explain to me why he has now played three times since returning from injury? Are these the same people who said we would liquidate on Thursday, then Friday, then next week?

GovanFR

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You the same fans calling Celtic bottle merchants. Who blew a 15 point lead before admin? we know who the real bottlers are ha ha

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Many Rangers fans were saying the same about Lafferty. Convenient that you only remember the Celtic fans, eh?

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Well said mate I think there crystal ball are on the blink.

Jimbo9

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I think you'll find it was Rangers fans asking as well, I should know I was one one of them. Why are you always only on here to moan and try to point score against them? Some Rangers fans come on here to find things out, not to get patronised with a muppet like you. You're either 15 or a total kn*b.

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By Celtic fans do you mean supporters of THE CHAMPIONS?

Just wondering what happened to the manky 15 point lead..........MIND THE GAP

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They do owe burnley but they just won't pay it like everything else they don't pay
Signing up players they could not afford to pay cheating bstrds
You certainly are not the people

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Wondered that one myself but as usual more crap from the other side

C/bridge bluenose

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It doesn't matter how many games he plays because if there is clause regarding appearance money! that's no problem because you don't even pay the small local business owner who could go bust probably loosing there homes ,not to mention monies owed to other clubs tax and every other monies you have failed to pay !
So instead off getting on your high horse over some comments made before !
If I were a RFC supporter I would be to busy hanging my head in shame !!
You don't pay anyone anyway so forget about appearance money
That's why he playing ! Harsh but true!!

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Laffingboy needs in the shop window - are you daft??? Stay at Gers + paid a pittance?! Not me if a player. Get out quick down to Engerland

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To the guy who claims to be a Rangers fan whose post was just a complete moan. Did you notice the hypocrisy in your post? I'd say what you always post on here but you leave no name. What a surprise is that so people can't respond to you? If you read the site frequently you will notice I'm one of the few who usually talk football, ie posting predicted teams on a Friday. Grow up you sad little man.

GovanFR

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@C/bridge: it was Rangers fans too who were making the claims about Lafferty. Take the blinkers off and stop looking for reasons to have a go at people for stuff that your fellow fans are just as guilty of. Or is it OK for Rangers fans to make mistakes but not Celtic fans to make the same ones? Ludicrous behaviour.

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GovanFR: you could actually respond to the claims (factual in fact) that Rangers fans were making the same points about Lafferty or would that be too sensible?

1903

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@1903, I'm not aware of any regulars on here (Rangers fans) that have stated Rangers will go into liquidation on 'x' date. I know some have speculated about Lafferty's supposed clause, the point was a dig at the anonymous posters who post comments and claim they are FACT when they are complete rubbish.

GovanFR

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No 1903 he will do what he always does and start accusing Gers men of being tims because we don't swallow his and his kinds BS that everything will be ok. The guys a nugget, read back his posts. And I'm a Rangers true blue, he probably doesn't even go to games and sits bashing his s###e on here.

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@GovanFR: your point was a dig at Celtic fans because you just can't help yourself. You now seem to be backtracking and saying it was a dig at anonymous posters (who seem to get on your moobs for not leaving a name). Time to climb down off that high horse and grow up a little, maybe...

1903 - leaving a name to help your blood pressure stay at a reasonable level ;)

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No 1903 he will do what he always does and start accusing Gers men of being tims because we don't swallow his and his kinds BS that everything will be ok. The guys a nugget, read back his posts. And I'm a Rangers true blue, he probably doesn't even go to games and sits bashing his s###e on here.

Why don't you leave a name, guess by mine where my season ticket is? Again I'd read back your posts but I wont be able to tell which are yours. Are you scared of something? Please do read back my posts and give me an example of what you are talking about? I'll take you seriously when you leave a name and come up with something constructive. Funny all your guesses about me have been wrong so far.

GovanFR

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Makes no odds now. The deal would have meant Rangers paying Burnley a fee on completion of x number of games. Quite clearly, while now in administration, we don't honour any deals or pay any monies owed.

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I'm sure its if lafferty starts another game for us. He has been coming on as a sub so he hasn't had a full start since this was revealed

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Because you wont pay ! you dont do paying

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Indeed it does seem the claim that Lafferty wasn't playing due to an appearance clause was nonsense. Well you know football fans and their ridiculous claims. I remember hearing a cracker once, this is the daddy of all football nonsense, its so bizarre and off the wall that I'm sure some of you won't believe it neither. There was once a time when a lot and I mean A LOT, of Rangers fans were going about saying...wait for it, wait for it, IN CRAIG WE TRUST. I mean can you believe it? In the history of nonsense, football or otherwise can that be topped? So to any Rangers fan who ever uttered, typed or wrote that four word fiasco I'd be a bit reticent when it comes to pulling up anyone on football inaccuracies. Lets face it, it is up there with Clinton's Lewinsky denial, David Steele's "Go home and prepare for government", Thatcher saying there would never be a female Prime Minister in her lifetime and Chamberlain's "Peace in our time." Honestly, if you want us to take you seriously please show a bit of independent thought now and again, question what you are being spoon-fed, from within and outwith Ibrox, if it's too good to be true then it probably is wouldn't be a bad start off point. "Wealth off the radar" I still laugh at that one and sadly precious few of you questioned a bit of it.
Gaz

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Laffinboy is toxic - even Ally thinks he's a twonk. Better offf rid

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If your going to post please leave your name

Jimbo9

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You mean the Rangers board of course ...not the fans.
Dont get the 2 mixed up... the gers fans have paid the going rate for 140 years.
Pity the men running the club hav`nt followed our example.

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"Rangers paying"

That's new

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Cos they are idiots and think thet just won la liga. graeme

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Laffinboy is the Gers worst nightmare - he makes all of Scotland detest your club (said he as an East Fife fan). C'mon Bears you must see it - even Coisty is embarrassed when he opens his gub

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It makes no difference any more, don't even pay the shredding company who probably got rid of that contract as well. Some people are so far removed from reality that they can't see what is going on. No-one is getting paid.

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@Graeme, I take it your comment is aimed at the Rangers fans who made the Lafferty claims too? According to you, they're idiots too.

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Tubes on here slating GovenFR for pointing out that the celtic 'experts on all things' were wrong again. Even Gers men (allegedly) giving him pelters when all he's looking for is a bit of humility from the blatantly wrong. Instead, you can't admit to yourselves that you made an error, whats the matter, your fragile egos can't handle it? Fees only apply if he starts games- get a grip, the fees are real, you just won't pay as you're dirty, thieving, tax dodgers- do you know how offensive you are or do you genuinely think it's actually banter? duccablue

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@duccablue: what about the Rangers fans who said the same about Lafferty? You're just like GovanFR, blinkered and spewing rage at Celtic fans who made the same claims. Pathetic and an embarrassment to decent, sensible Rangers fans.

1903

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The clause is still there , but just like the paper shop , the ambulance men , the police , the florist and the wee women that does face painting burnley will just have to wait for the money . champions

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1903, the comment was aimed at Celtic fans, can you tell me any Rangers fans who have guaranteed both liquidation at a specific date and Lafferty wouldn't play again. Duccablue is right you are just trying to cover up the fact you were wrong.

GovanFR

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GovanFR, I'm not wrong and a simple glance up this page will confirm that there were Rangers fans claiming this (about Lafferty - I never referred to liquidation). You just can't admit to having an intolerance of all things Celtic, even when Rangers fans are claiming the same as Celtic fans about Lafferty. I don't need to provide dates etc. as I remember it well from fans on both sides. You obviously have selective memory but I notice you have provided no evidence to back up your claims.

Anyway, I find justifying myself to blinkered people like you, tedious and fruitless. You're just another - one of the worst - examples of Rangers fans who refuse to admit Rangers fans might have said something you disagree with, especially when you are trying to use those claims to make points attempting to deride Celtic fans - merely, it seems, for the sake of doing the latter. That's what I consider you an embarrassment to decent Rangers fans.

Have a lovely day in your blinkered little world.

1903

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1903, the key is I did refer to liquidation as well, as usual you just chose to read what you wanted to hear. Of course there are Rangers fans who believed it about Lafferty. You obviously have a selective memory about posts and everything in general. You use this forum to have personal attacks on people now what does that say about you?

GovanFR

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1903,I'll not stoop to your name calling level, but you too have a nice day.

GovanFR

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Personal attacks?! If that was the case, the Ed. wouldn't have posted it. You are an embarrassment because of your double standards and obsession with attacking all things Celtic. Simple.

I never once mentioned liquidation, just the Lafferty stuff. Geez, this is tough so I give up. Reasoned debate it good; blinkered stubbornness is definitely not.

It helps to be objective, mate, just a little. Try it some time - you might not face attacks from your fellow Rangers fans if you did, you know, the 'personal attacks' above.

Anyway, sun is shining (for the moment), off on holiday tomorrow, so no hard feelings.

1903

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And when a Gers man posts something you disagree with 1903, you label them derisive, an embarrassment, the worst kind of fan and best of all, intolerant.
Intolerant by god, have you read your posts?
You then claim you don't need to provide dates as 'you remember it well' but accuse GovenFR of having a selective memory for not providing proof.
If chatting to people on a banter site is sooo tedious then I suggest you take your massive intellect* and do one. duccablue

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Duccablue: I didn't disagree with him - he's right - but I pointed out that his double standards are an embarrassment. As far as evidence is concerned, just look at the history of this thread for other Rangers fans... blah, blah, blah.

Chatting isn't tedious but reading the posts of Old Firm fans who look for any reason to have a go at each other, no matter how daft or that it highlights their double standards, is.

Kind of you to compliment me though ;)

1903

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Burnley can be a creditor along with the rest, It hardly matters now!

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Rangers don't care anymore they can't pay for face painting and there daily records so why care what Burnley want and they still say there are not SCOTLANDS SHAME ?.
They are a out and out disgrace to the rest of scottish football,you's should hung your heads in shame

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1903, I will agree with you on one thing which is there is no hard feelings. I disagree with you but there is nothing wrong with that. My original point was a dig at those who claim to know all these thing ie. Lafferty, liquidation when in fact they are just scaremongering. With regards you suggesting I am not objective, if you have read previous posts of mine I actually frequently moan about OF fans point scoring when one set sings sectarian songs. In this instance here I am fed up reading scare stories from what are mainly Celtic fans, Lafferty is just one example. Enjoy your holiday!

GovanFR

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Rangers will not pay Burnley. They will join the list.

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I've just looked through Rangers list of creditors and Burnley are not one of them (unless I've missed them which is possible I looked quickly) so perhaps all the money has been paid.

GovanFR

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1903, is this the GovanFR with the intolerance to Celtic that congratulated Celtic on their title win last week?
Dmrangers

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I'm a Rangers fan and from speaking to David Healy: if Healy starts another game he is due money. If Lafferty STARTS another 2 games Rangers owe Burnley 500k.

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08 Apr 2012 21:56:23
The credit report reveals that since Rangers went into administration - some six weeks ago - the club has lost more than £2.5m.
The £134m potential debt figure revealed in the Duff and Phelps report does not include liabilities to employees, including the playing staff whose contracts revert to their original terms on 1 June.
If these playing staff contracts are to be honoured, the potential £134m liability will rise by a further significant amount.

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Another pointless post, worse case. The Gers are going to win the big tax case, i have no doubt, we will be out of admin by middle of May

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Will the players wages revert back to pre administration levels? That's worrying as if we are losing 2.5 million at moment will be almost double that a month after June 1st.

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Not at a total of £93m they are claiming you won't. HMRC have said no more deals since the whole vodafone issue last year. Pay up or close up im affraid

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The second poster says another pointless post then goes on to say he has no doubt they will win the big tax case . Another pointless post

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No it won't ....

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Potential amount of £134 million but £75 million is the projected sum if we lose the big tax case and if Tbk get preferred bidder status the Ticketus Debt will be reduced.Its all ifs and buts who knows D&P??

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"Another pointless post"! get real man wake up & take note of the fact you are skint & owe millions that you are unable to pay! do you honestly think you will win the case against HMRC? stay on the buckie as your world is obviously a fantasy!

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£93 million. If HMRC let that go every business in Scotland will have a field day. Not looking good

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If I was a Gers player I'd get oot o the Big House quick - wage cut and fat Sally - MOVE. Guaranteed no European fitba next year + possibly more. Cups seem iffy awaiting SFA penalty for not paying Dundee Utd - I think banned :-(

Not a nice way to put yourself in shopfront as a player

Why the F didn't the fighting fund pay some debts like the police, ambulance, newsagent, florist????? I thought that was why I give money

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If we don't get a cva. Well still be in admin or liquidated. In these cases players will be free to move on . The players wages won't put our debt up as it'll either be sorted cva route or well be out of business.

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Is all the debt in arrears? or as i think are the figures stated that of the day the report was produced? ie: bills to emergency services paid monthly or quarterly and prob that of other small businesses. I think the police did have
an issue about not being paid just as admin happened but assumed that was due to the change from CW and D&P. If this is the case then all these small bills are being paid by D&P as the club continues to trade. Thus these figures may change at the time of sale as will others. For example should we receive money from the SPL at the end of the season the amount owed to other SPL clubs would be deducted and paid to these clubs thus altering the dynamics of the report albeit the smaller creditors (those who need it most).

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It is a bit embarrassing owing small businesses money. I'm really annoyed the RFF didn't square them up. It just makes us look stupid and ammunition for the tic fans. Fighting what???? Not another penny to that bank account - are they saving up for Christmas or something??

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I can't really afford a grand for a share issue, but I gave all the dosh I could afford to the fighting fund - is this now sitting in an account while Dumb&Dumber are not paying for their newpapers and flowers? I'm so irate - makes us look daft

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Yes but remember the £134m is a full list of creditors, it does not show any money which is due to Rangers from other sources.

It also has £93m tax case which will only be £93m if HMRC are awarded 100% money, fees, charges & interest so this is a worst case scenario figure and may not be as high if case is lost.

There is £27 Ticketus money which if TBK take control then they have negotiated a deal with this and wont be as high and wont be paid as quickly.

£8m is due to debenture holders but again if the club comes out of Administration this will return to the original contract so no money due there.

This is just the papers trying to sell papers, so dont believe everything you read.

We are very close to going bust but we still have a chance if the right person(s) takeover.

The Pilot!

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Once the season ends, nightmare gets worse... no games, no income, but salaries must be paid.

Will season ticket money roll in, when no one knows who or where rangers will play, and in how many cups - due to potential bans, fines and penalties ?

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08 Apr 2012 19:22:04
Just a question?
If we go the CVA route ( not great but better than liquidation?) & we only pay 20p in the £ to creditors.
Does that mean any money due TO us wil only be 20 p in the £ as well

bill72

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No that would only effect people rangers are doubt money to not people that are due rangers money

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Cva only for the company's you owe. if any 1 owed rangers money they need pay in full. an im sure rangers money they are owed the admin ppl would have got that

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There not owed that much anyway

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Do you feel proud stealing from the public? I don't :-( £1 in £1 back to general population please + pay the polis and ambulance services too

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Well actually I didn't steal anything near did you so there's no reason for you not to be proud its the morons that ran the club that stole there the ones that should be sorry

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As a Gers man it is a bit embarassing that we owe the police and ambulance money. hopefully these bills get paid no matter what.It doesn't sit right with alot of people I know owing public services money.

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Do you feel proud stealing from the public? I don't :-( £1 in £1 back to general population please + pay the polis and ambulance services too

What a stupid post, making out as though this money is effecting police and the NHS , what a moron. Look through government spending figures and see how significant the amounts your talking about are.

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What a brass neck significant or insignificant does that also go for the small businesses who could go to the wall due to RFC stealing goods services !
And the only concern if how much will RFC get from other more trustworthy institutions ! Shame on you

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"What a stupid post"

I don't get why it is stupid - I think most decent fans would like to pay our way for services provided. If another club didn't pay you'd be up in arms! Do you pay your taxes or take a 10 finger discount at Asda? My brother happens to work for SAS. Should he not bother going to the Big House in case people as you can't be bothered to pay for cover?

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My brother is an engineer, what about him. Should he go to work>?

Clown.

This is business and not a time for petty fall outs over what a so called normal supporter would want.

I want Rangers to be run correctly, I also want us out this mess.

So if that means using the law to our advantage and signing a CVA, lets get it done and carry on.

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Ironic or disgusting that the team the celebrates the army doesnt even want to bill soldiers wages

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Yes use the law f**k all the small businesses you owe let them go to the wall
We don't do walking away except from our debts !
Crawl back into your hole !

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08 Apr 2012 16:52:26
So , this Ng guy is barley interested in the club he already has, I reckon he's full of it !
The Americans a 65 year old with no experience who has come in to money and may or may not see us as a "hobby" for his retirement ! Think we have been used as that before an look were we ended up !
So that leaves TBKs ? Probably best for the long term but we will be skint ! But ticketus won't be a creditor so that's a plus ! For me it's TBKs or the yank ! Leaning towards TBKs though !
PaulRFC

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It has to be the blue knights, or if possible the blue knights and kennedy working together (even if thats just for financial clout to get the deal done)

i dont care if we will be skint for a few years,

as long as we survive history intact and with a viable long term plan for the future of the club that is what counts.,

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We will still be able to attract decent players to play in SPL and we have some great young players coming through so no need to spend great money as we dont do anything in europe anyway as long as the scouting gets sorted out im sure we could pick up players for pennies and sell them on

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Problem is they dont have longterm plan Ticketus have already stated deal is open to all intrested bidders so good intentions is their only sell point
Bill Miller dodgy past ?
Ng loads a dough opens up whole new market with intrests throughout Asia ideal solution would be Ng takeover and employ P.Murray on the board (guy is rangers through and through) could only be classed as a good move and appease some of the doubters

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Tbk or ng....each has its value...tbk ..rangers men.....ng moneymen...deecee

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Ffs, why are you mob so worried about being skint. we went through it for several years, stop looking for a quick fix, face up to your responsibilitys, and stop blaming everyone else for your clubs shortcomings. jjj

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Might be better off with ticketus as a creditor to dilute HMRC's percentage for cva though!

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Tbk can jog on paul murray was there when all this mess was going on are people forgetting about that any off the other 2 plz


TB

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I no TB that's what's stoping me fully supporting TBKs but I'm just no sure about the other two man, be interesting to see who gets the preferred status, maybe happen tomorrow or Tuesday !
PaulRFC

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They are just waiting for the corpse at the morgue.dont kid yourself is this the same paul murray who was on the board while rangers were running up massive debts? dear oh dear

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This 65yr old is no old man, he built a company from scratch which now turns over 130 million a year, the best in its industry, and he has a good scottish name, Willie Miller, he might not be willing to put in extra millions, but he will steady the ship and prepare for a proper take over of our great club. lets be positive here, we have had offers for the gers even though its in turmoil, fingers crossed, but i think the future is bright, the future is Rangers

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Good scottish name well we no what that means

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I am a celtic fan and would just like to say that i hope Rangers do survive and come out the other side stronger, because believe it or not Celtic and Rangers need each other.

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Paul if a fanbased share issue is done right,im afraid to say just like celtic then i think it can work 2x 1k shares i,d say one right away another in 2 years and tell people what there doing think it can work.....les

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Canny see how share issue would work doesnt work at Barcelona their members pay in 100 euros a season and their 400million in debt

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TBK would be the worst possible out of all three they hardly have any money and I don't trust Paul Murray at all.

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I would rather have any of the other 2 than tbk paul just cant trust murray an if i had to decide it would be american on what i ave read but i dont believe the papers either


TB

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08 Apr 2012 15:53:53
I can't see how we are going toget out of this mess the bill Ng said his consortium have bid 20mill and will not increase it. There's not a hope in hell of HMRC and ticketus taking a CVA. I have worked in the treasury department and know HMRC won't budge they have no sentiment and are not intrested if a company has to shut. If we are force into liquidation our asset prices fall drastically as its a desperate quick fire sale.

Campsie bear

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If dm still had rangers what would be the clubs position now ...

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Yeah, clearly HMRC don't do deals that's why the Public Accounts Committee reckon they've let big companies off with at least 25 BILLION pound!

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I'm not an accountant or an ex employee of HMRC is it OK for me to post about football on this site?

RS

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Its because Vodaphone et al were let off that there was a Parliamentary Enquiry, with HMRC geting its proverbials booted and its boss heading off into early retirement. I think we can conclude there will be no more deals.

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Short answer:
If DM still had Rangers you'd have been liquidated last June in the close season.
He has just been taken over by the bank himself and the only thing that got you through to february was CW witholding PAYE & NI.
RFC have been technically insolvent for at least 3 years - the only thing that kept you afloat was LBC keeping you afloat long engough to get their money back before you went under.

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I'm not an accountant or an ex employee of HMRC is it OK for me to post about football on this site?

RS

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Fill your boots RS mate.
However I would point out...
(a) Season has been won and lost
(b) Your club is fighting for their very existence survival. And they are doing this in the Court of session, in the SPL & SFA disciplinary committee, in a vote of the creditors to whom you owe vast sums of money, the press, the court of public opinion and the hearts and minds of fans of your own club and every other club in the land : and not - in any respect whatsoever - on the turf of Ibrox stadium.
They may yet lose.
If you are a fan of RFC, you may take some interest in how this is all proceeding.

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08 Apr 2012 15:41:05
do you think it was right that the papers printed that Rangers owed the paper shop money and the florists money, i think they done it without their permision because they probably done these people more harm by printing they sums owed ,yes they should have been payed but they could lose more customers and money by what the papers printed , more harm than good, and with the nut jobs that follow [sorry some off the nut jobs that follow us} could have put these owners safty at risk.

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Why would it put folk at risk? Do you honestly think that some rangers fans will go to these newsagents and cause the owner damage? Get a grip of yerself!
If anything it'll make the "caring" fans do something about it maybe.
On yer next home game, stand outside the shop askin for donations from fellow fans to pay the outstanding bill. Bill gone, 1 less creditor and 1 little businessman happy
Frankiebhoy

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Cant really see what the papers have done wrong, all they have done is reprint a publically available document.

that the admin guys released online anyway, most people that would have wanted to read it nut job or not would have read it online, before the papers got to reprint it,

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The businesses have done nothing wrong apart from a few of them should have made it known that we weren't paying our bills months and months ago, then we might have be able to sort out some of the mess before it got out of hand (forget about tax tills, that's another story).

Imagine if Rapid had made it known that they were owed £1million for a player that we have used, and sold on, without paying what we owed - outrageous!

I wouldn't have a problem with some of the Rangers Fighting Fund paying back some of the small local businesses?

jack-o

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I agree with jack-o,.

the RFFF should be used to clear off the small debts in full.

the sunday express reported today that the RFFF where thinking of clearing the small creditors who are doubt less then £1000.

we could clear 115 creditors for just over £41k, that although wouldnt make a massive difference to the overall debt would mean a lot to the small business that are paid back.

as a fan i think that would be the best way to use the RFFF. it helps the club and the small guys that really cant afford to take the hit of a cva.

plus it still leaves like 250K in the fund

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I've paid into the RFF, and I would be delighted if the RFF paid off the small creditors (i.e. those under £1K) as reported in the Express. Our club has been dragged thru the mud again and again. Can you imagine how these small businesses felt when they won business from the mighty Glasgow Rangers? Only to find out the current management do do things like pay their bills.
RFF are you reading?

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Hat's off to those Rangers fans who are pushing to use the RFF to pay the small creditors, you are a more of a credit to your club, more so than the people who were running it WELL DONE

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When will RFF pay the polis + ambulance services?? Bluddy shocking we steal from them when dosh in a RFF bank account doing 0

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Before posting at least attempt to get your head around the proper use of past participles.

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08 Apr 2012 13:50:29
That craig whyte is some laugh, he offered to pay the tax, had he actually paid last years tax and told the bank to wait the club would be in a far better position, but obviously the bank had some hold over him, maybe relating to his other business,s me thinks. Hope the bew buyer has some cop on cause CW has none

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Sorry but CW took over a club that was already going down the tubes!
He did not pay tax paye as he knew liquidation was the best possible deal for Rangers and himself !
When the end comes I believe Rangers fans will come to understand his motives and will see this was the best options for RFC !
CW has done what SDM did not have the balls for and hoped to make CW a the figure!
This guy deserves more credit than what he's getting !

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Are you for real? Lloyds had a member on our board they were ready to pull the plug on us too. No matter what way we turn it's a dead end

Campsie Bear

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I think whyte is an a*sehole. graeme

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Paying of the LBG debt was a condition of the Takeover.
IF CW had not paid this, he would not have owned the club.
The fact that he did this with the clubs own future Season Ticket revenue and then met its running costs by wothholding PAYE & NI that should have been paid over to HMRC is something that may be exercising lawyers and law makers for many years to come I expect.

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The man is a legend, he sucked the gers fans in and spat them out big time

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08 Apr 2012 13:02:19
to all the posters who say the old firm game is the best game in the world and we both need one another

was the same not said about the scotland england games..........les

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Might have been the oldest but no where near the best Les in my honest opinion that goes to Holland v Germany

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You are not a football fan. you have still got your head in the sand....b

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And thats why they keep askin for it to be brought back then? kinda contradict ursell :))))

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Re-read my post i am a rangers fan
but just in case people think they will not do this and not do that
they did it to the scotland v england game stopped it dead never ever to be played again...belfast celtic v lingfeild the same.....with things going the way they are whos to say times they are a changing..........les

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No trying to move people along ie they wont do this they wont do that just got a terrible feeling the sfa/uefa will do this or that.....les

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I cant think of scotland -england ever being classed in that category. Not in my lifetime i'm afraid and thats some years.

Was never described as such

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Difference is scotland and england can play other big games, think sky will pay to see celtic playin the likes of motherwell, st johnston etc every week? not a chance!

think celtic are gonna pay silly wages to the likes of brown, samaras when they dont have a credible title contender?

end of the day without rangers the standard of scottish football drops and therefore so does revenue from tv and sponsorship.

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Even if it was what is your point? graeme

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Ok bears, you are so arrogant, where do you get your sense of entitlement? why do you think your problems are everybodys fault but your own.

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Nice to see that the shame are now begging for the fans of CHAMPIONS help...'oohh celtic need us' blah blah blah. The CHAMPIONS don't need trash like you END OF!!! RANGERS TILL JULY

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Think thats a really good point sco v eng last played in late 80s when was last time scotland had a good side late 80s early 90s i think that the auld enemy games kept the passion and a good standard , kept the national team ticking over at the end of every season either home nations or tournaments if no rangers celtics standard will drop . wen celtic were down rangers strolled title after title bt wen decent teams played we were hammered all to do wi standard

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08 Apr 2012 12:52:24
Judging by the number of empty seats at Ibrox yesterday, it seems that some Rangers fans do do walking away.

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46,000 at Ibrox yesterday!

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Thats coming from a half empty Rugby park Celtic fans dont do travelling away lol

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Tv pictures don't lie so some of you do walking away.....b

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Considering its a Bank Holiday weekend with many people away.... great attendance!

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46,000 pal, go and look at attendances at parkhead start of season, 22,000 on 3,4 diff occassions, great support, not.

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A half empty Rugby park? Are you blind? The only stand half empty at Rugby park was the one with Killie fans in it. Celtic fans filled three stands at Rugby park yesterday.

You need to get to specsavers.

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By the way, that figure of 46000 takes season tickets into account. Some of whom didn't show up, it would seem.

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What was the attendance at Ibrox when Rangers played Dundee United in the scottish cup?

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Attendance at Rugby park yesterday: 15, 926.

Rugby park has not seen that ammount of fans in one sitting for a long, long time.

Half empty? Don't think so.

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Yeah 57000 for your lot last week, potential league decider... That included season ticket holders.

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Biggest of saturday what more do ye want

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Avg Home Attendance 2011/12
Celtic FC 48968
Rangers FC 45304

I make it that Celtic have a higher home attandance than Rangers. What do you think?

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Lst week against st johnstone was not a title decider. Even at that, is 57000 a bad attendance now?

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Every seat at Ibrox should have been taken yesterday. I thought the fighting fund was to buy any spare tickets and ensure our home games were a sell out? More sh1t getting spouted to us fans. F###ing sick of it!!!

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Considering Parkhead holds 10k more than Ibrox, an average of 3k more is pretty poor.

Were you one of the 10 thousand fans who supported the club in 1994 when you were a few hours away from collapsing?

Great "support".....NOT

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The average home attendance does not take into consideration the capacity of the stadium.

Look at it this way:
Parkhead Capacity - approx 61000
Ibrox Capacity - approx 51000

Parkhead - average 80% full
Ibrox - average 88% full

I think those figures say it all.

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Were you one of the average 8000 Rangers fans supporting your club in the mid 80s when times were tough?

It doesn't matter what the stadium capacity is; Celtic have higher home attendances at a time when Rangers are in dire need of sell-outs every home match.

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Considering alot of celtics supporters come from outside Glasgow the attendance for Midweek games are gonna be around 22,000. Weekends however Celtic average more than rangers. So bragging that you've had the largest support in Scotland at the weekend is a bit stupid considering Celtic and rangers cannot play at home on the same day

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What about when rangers were gettin7000 for games

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"I think those figures say it all".

What do they say, exactly?

What does stadium capacity have to do with it? The bare fact is that Celtic attract a bigger crowd than rangers. They generally always have.

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Get a life both sets of fans are as bad as each other we are there during the good times an some abandon ship during bad times,it human nature stop bickering an grow up ffs.
I used to go to Parkhead in the 90's during the bad times and remember poor attendances ...it happens what ever team you support

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Well said that man or woman.

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Do you people ever actually agree with each other ? One says black one says white. Ma da's bigger than your da. Grow up. No, actually, dont. Its funnier when youre acting like t*ts. As for the old firm being the greatest club game in the world.....gies a break guys. The actuall football content is usually dire. Have you ever watched games in La Liga or the Premiership ?

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Might just be an idea here, but i seen one post there that might sum it all up...its bank holiday weekend, schools are off, some places of business are closed, people do go away on holiday as its not often kids and there parents are off at the same time? or am i just being silly here?

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I can assure you that Rangers do not include all season ticket books sold.

I think you will find that was a report carried out a few years ago into scottish football attendances and a certain Celtic football club were found to be guilty of number crunching in a deceitful manner.

Like all other clubs Rangers calculate by numbers actually at the game.

We dont do fams dressed up as seats. 22,000 at the game but the sunday mail next day states 60,000

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Celtic v dundee league cup final early 1970s , 27 thousand , lowest crowd ever for final of major final , dundee won 1-0 by the way , nuff said

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I wouldn't think Celtic make up their attendances through season tickets coz they still have to scan it when they walk through the turnstiles. I imagine when the last person walks in all the tickets that have been scanned will be added up. Simples

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Were there any empty seats when Rangers won title at Rugby park point proved emphatically Celtic fans dont do TRAVELLING AWAY

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The league cup final in the 70s was played at 1.00 in a midweek afternoon because of the fuel shortage at the time. Rangers Vs Partick Thistle May 1979 estimated attendance 2,000. I remember when!

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Yes there was empty seats when rangers won there last season, watch the clips back and you can clearly see empty patches in the stand opposite the dugouts

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I think you will find when it comes to attendance figures at parkhead, all season ticket holders are counted even if they dont attend, called massaging the figures.

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The post that said there was a fuel strike and a 1oclock kick off , big deal , 15,000 dundee fans made it to hampden that day , its simple , it wis pissin down that day and yous just couldny be arsed , stop dressin it up , greatest fans in the world , a big myth

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I think you will find season tickets at parkhead are only counted by those that are used on a match day. They have to be scanned to be counted. There is no "massaging the figures". A lot of season ticket holders come from outside Glasgow so on a midweek when a lot cannot make it up and the ground is half empty do you think they add an extra 20,000 on to the games capacity, I don't think so. I have worked on ticketing at Celtic. Get your facts right.

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Just before you went to your knees, you had 17000 at a home game in the cup, not think its a bit too late trying to fill your wee ground now?

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Here was me thinking rangers fans were fighting for their clubs survival 46,000 looks like they are walking away. see how manys at next home game now league has been won

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Parkheads a rusty green tin that always needs fixd fact. ibrox 5 star. so to the guy with the wee ground post go f*** urself

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The 5 star rating no longer exists. Keep up.

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Ibrox

Is falling to bits.
Is no longer 5 star rated.
Will be flattened and made into an ASDA. store

Celtic Park

Biggest stadium in Scotland.
Hosting Commonwealth games opening and closing ceremony in 2014.
Redevelopment in area to take rating to 5 star in the future.
Possible redevelopment to increase capacity.

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Sorry but its hard being a RFC suppporter
not going to watch football for sure...
reduced prices, wages (some zero) happy days...start saving rainy days are here to stay...

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A fine upstanding citizen like Mr Lawwell would never condone such actions at THE CHAMPIONS. He keeps our finances on an even keel with everything paid and above board. Maybe Rangers should ask for his help as his business brain is obviously better than anything at your midden.

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