Rangers Rumours Archive March 06 2012

06 Mar 2012 23:26:38
Today has been a very frustrating day. Earlier in the day, we believed we had agreed in principle a basis of cost-cutting measures with the players accepting substantial pay cuts and we are very grateful for their efforts in reaching that point.

Sadly this evening we have been unable to reach agreement on the personal conditions sought by the advisors to the players in respect of those wage cuts.


There is still some hope these issues can be resolved first thing in the morning but it is extremely disappointing we haven't been able to get there tonight.

Rangers site - dannager4life

Just as I posted elsewhere the agents will scupper progress. They will be telling players to hold firm - i.e. club makes them redundant they owe them their redundancy money (remainder of their contract) else their contract is null and void and they can walk into another club on a pre contract agreement.

Im diapointed in these players they are only interested in themselves and after the next 3 months ie possible new clubs there was a lad today put under the pressure to leave for the sake of non playing staff a credit to young people gregg should be one of the new up and coming stars for the club but thought of others instead good luck gregg your a star

Duff and Phelps............truly the caring face of capitalism. No redundancy or wage cut without your agreement sir.

My advice to Rangers fans is to set up a survival fund and use the money to buy up all empty seats at Ibrox before every game.

If these big players have to be made redundant then the only thing that can cause liquidation over the next 3 months is a drop in attendances.
The administrator will have built his rescue plan around average attendances, if they fall then the club run out of working capital, and it is over.

I have just read the post about buying empty seats, and ask what world do you live in? Duff & Phelps MUST be paid first every week, so if you buy every empty seat guess who gets the lions share?These guys are on about 200k per week, according to Graham Spiers on Clyde ( see other posts) last night. So every day the squad fails to come to an agreement cost the club about 68K in fees that D&P could be using more productively, looking else where to keep the club alive, the only way to save the club is for these prima donnas who maintain they play for the jersey, is to step up and take the wage cut with no strings attched, then we can believe they are and always will be Rangers men, just like young Grieg.

06 Mar 2012 22:49:00

Talks break down between players and administrators and are due to resume tomorrow. Talks took place until 10.00p.m. tonight.

Seven senior players are refusing to accept wage reductions.

It's not seven players n they ain't refused wage cut, the hold up is agreeing the clauses etc of contracts!

Thats not what was said cloth ears,

It is 7 players and they have refused wage reductions.

John McKay was interviewing Graham Speirs, Mark Dingwall and Neil (from Ernst & Young). During the interview he was getting up to date information through his earpeice and was updating viewers with what he was being told.

They are refusing a wage cut - contractually they do not have to accept it and many of the good players will want to have their contracts voided so they can jump off the sinking ship

Does it mean greggsy and davis and whitty may leave in morning

If they do not accept the pay cut then the highest earners will have to go.
250k saving per week = 25 players on 10k = not possible.
7 players could be as much as 175k, leave only 75k less Ally' 25k=50k less 2 already gone=30k.
2 more players plus coaching staff will cover that.
Rangers will have 21 players left.

06 Mar 2012 21:53:46
Hats off to super ally he must be fighting like mad in at Murray park to try and keep our club together - What a total mess - Sir David Murray has so much to answer for although he is the unintentional architect of all of this - as for Craig Whyte words cannot describe what I feel about that man!

Gers1986

Calm down fellow bears our whyte knight will bring us through this we just need to believe mean wot have got to lose! Or am i on my own. w.a.t.p broxi bear

Yeah hats off to the man , alway's been a good sort tho both sides of divide like him, good luck to him and the club

Am afraid you might be on your own mate can't believe blindly anymore in a man that has told us so many lies

Gers 1986

You are on your own

Wake up and smell the coffee aforementioned "Knight" a stranger to the truth

Well said pal i think everyone is jumping on us but we shall not be moved

Ally has been strong in all of this mess and those last night havin a go at his management defy belief. At this time his management skills off the field are what is important and his skills regarding motivation tactics etc well give the man a level playing field to be judged on !! SDM - he got us into a mess yes, but to be fair he had (Big tax case aside - it aint proven yet) he had reduced the debt to the bank over the past 3/4 years and we were heading towards the right direction with our debt reaching manageable levels, and he was obviously taken in by the conman as much as the rest of us were. Perhaps his silence is for legal reasons if Craig Shyte has not met his legal obligations regarding the purchase of Our club. As for the conman then thats a different story, he had no money, has purchased the club for £1 taking on the debt, again big tax case aside The bank debt at £18m &£1 was then really what was the price for the Club, which is realistic price. What did Murray pay for club (with less assets) or indeed Lawerence Marlebough before him? Whyte is the crook and has brought us down. If it had happened because of defeat with the big tax case then yes Murray would be guilty. Come on folks lets aim our anger at those responsible and not at others who are maybe hurting and victims to CW like we are. Final Question - if we are to go into Liquidation are the admin blokes obliged to announce this as soon as it becomes apparent ? would not like to think of us being taken for mugs and filling Ibrox with an outcome decided and our hard earned going into a black hole ! would rather put the cash into a fund for restarting the club or looking after the lower paid staff (cleaners etc) who are facing a cut in wages or worse. Bring CW to justice in court in cuffs - is there room in the barlinnie for him ?

I must be watching a different situation unfold:

1) Ally's recent record even before administration has been pish
2) Ally has said next to hee haw since administration and saying he is not going to get involved with redundancies but he is there for support is pish
3) Ally has not officially said he will work for nothing until this situation has been sorted - i.e. set an example of leadership

In summary nice guy, great player for the club but he is nae a manager and he has distanced himself from the big decisions. He will not be manager next season of that I am sure

Correct ally mcoist is a top man much repected by all fans its a shame he has this burden on his back in his first year i wish some of the top earners at the club have a good look at themselves we should have persuaded young gregg to stay at the clubs instead of some of these greedy players

I think Ally should get some plaudits for working for nothing but there is a degree of logic in his decision.
He would be the first redundancy with 1 months salary and out of a job.
If he stays and works for nothing, he is still there when new owner takes over. He may also have accepted his redundancy payment which means only 2 months free, now he is a Rangers super- hero for life even if the new owner has the courage to replace him.

Just saying.

If Ally did not accept his redundancy money then has given up 100k, but also makes himself unsackable for at least one full season under any new owner trying to keep fans happy.

Clever.

06 Mar 2012 21:08:07
Jim McColl OBE is possibly interested in a Rangers takeover

http://hitthebyline.com/2012/03/06/exclusive-scottish-multimillionaire-mulling-over-rangers-takeover/

It would be great but if anyone is going to put money in we need to get rid of whyte first and make sure we fill ibrox evey week putting our own money in as well

Nobody will buy Rangers. Not until the BTC has been resolved.

Very interesting read. Looks like he's broken ranks with the Blue Knights and is going it alone - or so it seems,
Chins up my fellow bears. Everything will be fine in the end. We'll be out of admin soon and there'll be no liquidation - Mr McColl will see to that

Fingers crossed.

Does any1 know how much money rangers make month e.g ticket sales merchandise etc?? cuz im thinkin with the players we have rangers are puttin out 3m in wages! So do they even make any profit?? Reason im asking is cuz i dont think we do and thats why i dont hink no1 will buy us!

Really hope that's true, it really needs to be a heart over head decision though as it will be good money after bad for a long time to come.

I agree. All going well. Follow, follow! WATP

Ive already posted weeks ago jim mccoll not interested in any football team... AS

Here here to the above post.

I have left a few postings over the last week stating that we won't go into liquidation.

Too much negativity from fellow bears, things cannot get any worse. Every man and his dog have had a go at us since administration.

There is too much uncertainly regarding the tax case, once it is resolved ( if we have a case to answer), we will move forwards and onwards.

There are too many bears around the world that won't allow Rangers to go under.

Hopefully Mr Whyte will get his just desserts, he is lower than a snake's belly, Rangers man my a..e.

Stu

Jim McColl maybe the Blue knight in to come to the fore front! As ally said at the weekend, you can all kick us while we are down, because we won't be there for ever
WE SHALL COME OUT FIGHTING

Say he buys rangers and gets stuck with £100M debt how long before he sees a return in his inestment

There wont be 100 mill debt. inland revenue aint going to win!

Administration has been coming for 2 years. Lloyds had the club under some control when they were running it. Sound-bites will not resolve the issue, neither will the old accolade 'too big to fail'

Unless someone has 100 million to burn on Rangers, i cannot see anyway out of this without a new Football club being created. That's without any fallout regarding financial wrong doings over the decade. If all you have to offer is a sound-bite, its of no use.

How reliable is this info? Seems too good to be true. Why did he not buy a year ago? Sorry. Wish it were true. But recent events suggest we ain't that lucky. Also what's all this 100 million about? If we lose the tax case surely hmrc Will have to accept a percentage of the pound. Like other creditors. That's what would happen if I were to go bankrupt. Or other businesses.

Most people close to events think liquidation is only about 50-50, these odds will change if Rangers make top earners redundant. It reduces the companys value and reduces the chances of a full Ibrox for the next 3 months. If attendances fall below the Administrator's cash flow projections then liquidation is inevitable.

As soon as i saw cathkin braes i knew this was bs....jim mccoll plays golf and entertains at turnberry and royal troon. wtf would he be doing at a £30 a whack club in rutherglen discussing a multi-million pound takeover with some lame website 'insider'

speaks volumes that there's not a single quote from anyone

Who is he? The old guy from beach grove garden? He'll be senile and throwing away his grandchildrens legacy.

06 Mar 2012 20:25:02
does rangers need mccoist mcdowell and durrant surely they can let one of them go

Ally is the favourite to go. Administrators have established this would save 50% on Ranger's catering costs.

This should have been one of the first cuts. Walter should come back and help mccoist for free. Mccoist is handling all this on his own.

If Ally is working for zero wages, I'm reasonably sure that McDowell & Durrant are working at least at reduced rates. Probably find it works out the three of them for the price of one. If it turns out that we will be using some of the younger players in the first team, then we'll need all three of them.

Durrant will be ok! Big Eck' will take him to Aston Villa ... how do I think this ? well I was at 3 weddings last year and guess who was always tagging along with Alex ? you guessed it - he's blue he's white - he turns up to wedding nights ....Ian Durrant...

Maybe the 3 of them will be playing again soon !

06 Mar 2012 19:40:27
Steve Davis has just arrived back at Murray Park! Wonder what for...
Reported from Clyde 1

He has either - forgot his Cue ... or else he has taken a wee part time job cleaning the Gym at night.

Because hes the club captain

06 mar 2012 19:11:10
i want to put everyone on this board right by telling them that insolvency practitioners are paid by the creditors as they are recovering monies owed to them.

Absolute crap. They are paid by the company they are administering for.

Well im in liquidation /sequestration right now and my bill off insolvency practitioners kpmg in glasgow will come out of the sale of my house/ estate its the same as the das scheme debt arrangement scheme i still pay the practitioners if in doubt phone a.i.b in kilwinning doug

That's cause you are not a company. If you were, the company pays for it

Yes you are in liquidation/sequestration NOT administration ! administrators are payed hourly and paid before ANYONE else !

If your right I am owed £13,870 as that what I was billed when I was liquidated after Admin in only 6 days for £73,000

Sequestration is different from administration and different rules apply. Sewuestrations are for individuals, administration for companies. Sequestrations, the individual pays the insolvency ratio ions fees, administration the company pays it.

The reason they are going for my house is im a sole trader and not a limited company and got equity in my house to pay creditors off and at the moment im still trading and paying a monthly amount to my creditors till my house is sold doug

The legal fees get added to the creditors pot . fact check scottish law

My earlier post didnt include the fact i am a company in road haulage for 38 years hmrc f me for 17,000 didnt even give me the chance to pay them in instalments then again their blinf=d to the fact theres been a recession going on from 2008 i am also waiting on a bill from mlm solutions ( insolvency practitioners ) for a short period of work they done for me regarding bankruptcy whatever comes out of this for the gers i hope hmrc get what they deserve f all doug

Yes thats right they become an extra crditor same as lawyer and estate agent thats sell your house only difference is they are guaranteed payment as they already have rough idea by home report on property even allowing for drop in market doug

The Administrator of a limited company is paid an agreed daily fee for the duration.
This amount is protected and is paid for from the assets of the Company, prior to any CVA or liquidation.

A receiver or administrator will not accept the appointment if there are insufficient assets-funds to pay them.

So by that reckoning they work for mr w, the preferred creditor who still holds a floating charge over our club

If there was a floating charge over the clubs assets then neither an administrator, receiver or liquidator would go near it, unless appointed by the charge holder(CW).
If any creditor wants to appoint one then they must pay for it, this means the fees are coming out of the assets, one way or another.

06 Mar 2012 18:48:44
deal on wages agreed with no more redundancies! is this good news from ibrox?? rtid

No as the club need to save 1million a month so the rest of the savings come from were..administrators running up a bill of 250k a month they have been there 3weeks already ..And when they finally do finish they are the first to be paid ..could be well over a million alone

I would not be sure that this good news, the things that are surprising me are that the administrtors are willing to do these deals, sky sports are saying that they players that are agreeing to certain deals are guaranteed a free transfer in the summer - so how can that be good for Rangers ? It would be better to get rid of players for free just now rather tha keeping them for another 3 months of a season that holds nothing, and still can not belive the time the administrators are taking. I would be really worried that the court of session might get pissed off and bring in theor own administrators.

Diamond Geezer

Word tonight is no deal from rangers players , players will be leaving from tomorrow...100% FACT AS

Terrible the lad had to leave what a great person he is a top bloke helping others keep their jobs respecccccccct

06 Mar 2012 18:40:16
rangers players are close to agreeing a deal to cut wages and save any more redundancies with players getting clauses that they can leave in the summer if they get a decent bid.

"decent bid" tell me how that would ever be written into a contract?

A bid that matches the clause then lol which to be fairwillbe no more than a decent bid for any of those players

How can this be good for Rangers ? Season is over, if players are going for free in the summer as per sky sports then what is the point in keeping them for another 3 months even if it is on a reduced salary.

Diamond Geezer

06 Mar 2012 18:06:31
Since we can't go into Europe for 3 years after forming a newco, does anyone else think it would be better off starting in the 3rd division, we wouldn't have the squad to compete in the spl anyway.

Why?

More tv revenue in the SPL, higher payments for finishing league position, higher crowds, better experience for players as they are playing better teams.

What is the benfit of starting in div 3.

Better off starting in english lower leagues and work you way up there leagues new eu legislation allows us to ply our trade in any country in the eu. fact

Liquidation is not a done deal, it may be possible to trade while in Administration for 3 months, long enough for a CVA and sale to take place.

Its not over until the fans stop supporting.

Only option really some new away days and spl can go rot

Agree - would rather we fought our way back up than had to beg mssrs thompson and lawwell for a place in the spl.

great opp to really get the younger players coming thru.

I agree, i have 3 season tickets for Copeland Front and think that we should pay our dues back to football by filling every away ground all the way up through the divisions. Also the SPL may lose the Sky deal if Rangers aren't in that league then see who suffers with no away fans turning up and the loss of revenue from TV while all the teams in division 1,2 and 3 will benefit greatly from Rangers. Think its the least we can do for Scottish football because we dont do walking away. WATP

Yes start off in the 3rd division and let all the other clubs with a chance of the money. Would probably create a stronger league set up in the lower divisions and see who's still waiting for us in the spl you woul probably find half the spl in admin within a year without our superior away crowds keeping them going and depleted t.v. Money the tic would be weakened severely to!

I dont agree with moving to england. We are a scottish team after all. I think we will win the big tax case anyway, hmrc spend hundrds of millions a year and win very few cases. hopefully we dont lose any more players. Ssn report we are close to a deal. UThen we can see what happens between now and end of season. We are the ppl

How pathetic. SPL lose the Sky deal. And what happens when Rangers then get back to the SPL. I'll tell you what, your pathetic selfish club and supporters deserve to go out of business permanently.

If an option, first choice would be english conference north. I know how the song goes but it really is true, up here no one likes us. If thats not an option lets start in scottish division three. At least we could build a young team and let them get some titles under their belts before returning to spl.

I totally agree with the last post...I would rather give the east stirlings ,clydes etc the financial boosts than those t**ts that are liewell and penfold up in dundee, it would be nice to repay scottish football like you said but i suspect we will end up in the SPL with points deductions etc cos whoever takes over is a business man and like whyte and the rest of the suits they are only interested in the same thing...I hope im wrong though....

Tam-Sir has a real disliking for dundee utd and septic...wonder y

I never thought I would say this, but I would be happy to work our way up through the divisions and give our younger players a real chance to shine. It would also hopefully once and for all do away with all the paranoia pf the establishment clud etc etc. It would be interesting to see what clubs would be joining us in the lower divisions with the loss of revenue too. Again this is assuming liquidation, which I don't think at this stage is a certainty. RTID

3rd divison or not i will still follow on, and then we will see who the true fans are? And i agree let the spl rot because they will need Rangers before we need them....scooterboy rtid.

Ive been reading almost all the posts on this site for 3 days and can't believe were still getting these bam pots who are saying we can play in england. If its not the cardiff and swansea argument, were getting sh**e about eu rulings. Absolute nonsense. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, NEVER!! Platini, the premiership chairmen, UEFA, English football rules...implemented after cardiff and swansea joined it about a hundred years ago all say you are talkin sh**e. go away. Just get behind the team and cross your fingers and go to the games if possible

Quite right go to Div 3 where you belong. Its the least you can do to make amends for the cheating and dishonesty which if you hadn't noticed has smeared the name of Scottish football. BTW the Sky deal does not rest on yooz guys being present and as for the SPL rotting well it proves some of your fans are childish and puerile in the extreme. A few of you are getting the message at last but I have yet to hear even a murmur of an apology on your site. The arrogance is breathtaking.

Why are people so damming on the english theme, rules are changed all the time, im not saying anything will be changed on the back of rangers plight but you knowalls become boring with your FACT statements who knows how this will pan out but this is a rumour come banter site and if your not happy with comments away and start collecting stamps

To the no name poster saying "how pathetic, SPL losing sky deal" did you not listen to Neil Doncaster on ssn sayin all (key word being ALL) SPL sponsors have a stipulation that Rangers AND Celtic are present, to me that's him saying uh oh if Rangers are punted. Just my perception and not to change what he said.
Leeroy

The new sky deal has conditions that there's 4 old firm games a season so yes rangers presence is needed

Apologise for what exactly? nothing has been proved yet and if you believe that the spl will not suffer in rangers absence then you are in for a shock. It will then be on par with the irish league....

If we started in div 3 then by the time we got back to the prem how many clubs would hav folded without sky , ticket sales from the mighty traveling rangers support and a massive reduction in advertising money , i think sellick would be couple years behind us , anyway apply to football league b the fa were not wanted up here anyway

Nonsense. If Celtic or Rangers were relegated, sky would not rip up the contract.

As for playing in England, pipe dreams, that will never ever have an ounce of substance.

Yes at least it would give us achance to win something as celtic will dominate for years sad bear watp

Pipe dream maybe if yous expell rangers and wen i say yous i mean sellick , spl sfa n rest of sorry lot as one as it seems to be now then its at the fa councils descretion and with a club with nowhere to play it puts a whole different slant on things so do your worst

The post a few up is spot on, rangers are not in a position to chose what way they will go they will be told! What makes rangers think they will even be allowed in the third division? Years and years of blatant cheating with the sfa makes me think the sfa will really hammer them to cover their own tracks. For all the fans with the blinkers on it's time to realize, rangers WILL be liquidated with many years of financial meltdown The fans need to catch up on the reality of the situation they are in

Look the players were not cheating it was mismanagement of our club from the top

I cant believe your lot , blame the SPL , blame the SFA , blame Celtic , have a word with yourselves , Rangers are in the mess they are in because of Rangers , no one else , Mr Murray's ego , trying to "buy" success by any means "fair" or "foul" , Rangers have run up the debt (not SFA , SPL , Celtic or any of the other SPL teams) , you cant seriously expect to blame everyone else , if as would appear to be the case Rangers have broken SPL rules (which all the other teams adhere to) you have to take the appropriate punishment , why should you be treated any different ? lose the petted lip and deal with it , whether in the SPL or Division 3 , s**t happens or in Rangers case s**t has happened .

06 Mar 2012 17:46:40
I really think we are going to struggle to make these savings until the end of the season.. Admins fees alone

Let's get this straight, insolvency practitioners are paid by the creditors as they are recovering monies owed to them.

06 Mar 2012 17:33:53
Goian going - stv

It only said that he was the latest to leave the training ground. Learn to read in context.

06 Mar 2012 17:23:16
Agents of Naismith and Whittaker have arrived at MP

Are naisy and whitty being made redundent

06 Mar 2012 16:30:06
it seems players are close to making an agreement with the administrators so lets just hope we still have majority of our squad by the time the next game comes source BBC

campbell

Is your surname Ogilvie? Unless the players agree to cuts and not deferrals which they havent been able to do so far then more players will go.

Does it matter? We are going be in 3rd div next season anyway, let's get some of the young guys in.

Something fishy with this admin process

Don't get whats going on here at all. Can't understand how the players even have a say. Surely the Admin are supposed to cut costs etc straight away. Thats what happened at M'well. Top paid players went no arguement , no debate. Agree with previous reply..........Something fishy going on !

No my surname is campbell

Let’s face it, the young lads should have been given a chance to start with, instead of buying in a bunch of highly-paid dumplings (Ortiz, Bedoya and the likes) who are quite frankly, no better in quality than any youth players!

The agreement is for their release im afraid. bbc sport just reported it

Admin must be raking in a fortune daily

Stv reporting this too

this set of players need to be commended. in an era of the greedy footballer, these guys look tp be putting the club first.

thank you guys, this won't be forgotten.

If the administrators release a player before March 31st then they can sign for another club. If you accept 4 weeks redundacycy then you go beyond this date and are out of work until June.

06 Mar 2012 16:07:02
My mum works for Dr Paul Jackson and she Said he mentioned to someone that there has been meeting after meeting but they forgot about the wages of the staff at ibrox they never took into consideration!

They forgot something as improtant as players wages while in administration
im a celtic fan but f*ck me thats bollox

cfc1888

No the players ya tranny, other staff in ibrox!

No way these guys missed that. They have put together all the outgoings and incomings related to the club.

O apologies
not players but other staff again your full of bollox
so a team in administration and they forget about the "other staffs wages" because that makes perfect sense
tool

cfc1888

06 Mar 2012 15:40:01
Ally McCoist, Kenny Mcdowall and Ian Durrant is to be paid off this week also. John Brown will take charge of what is left of the squad cor the rest of the season

WHIT?
awwwww dinnae be coming oan here and talkin' pure sh£&e man.
This I the biggest lot of garbage ave heard the day!
Away and boil yer Heid.
As usual....NAE SOURCE

Keep piling on the pressure, it just gets better & better!

No one gets paid off.... admin make savings! another muppet! they will be asked to take wage cuts. if they dont accept, they are free to walk away or they contribute to the club liquidating!

No football club ever in Administration has ever retained the manager and his staff.

Using yesterday's logic, does this mean there isn't a buyer before 9 days time?

Ally I won't take any pay McCoist paid off get grip...pure mince

Bluebear

That will be the same Mr Brown who is our super scout

You can't have people working for nothing hanging about. They still have opinions, and they still do cost money. Cars fuel etc...

Ally is working for free, doesnt get much cheaper than that ffs!

J

If Ally has cancelled his contract then there is no reason for him to leave.

Why dae ye let numpty's oan here spout such bulls@$t. thats the funniest hing av heard aw day. jist anither celtic fan rubbin salt intae the wounded bears keep gloatin timmy we won't be in crisis for long.

"we wont be in crisis for long".... yeah my left bollock!! you wont be a club ya numpty, stop blaming every damn thing on celtic ya cretin. to all decent rangers fans good luck for the future.MMI2009

06 Mar 2012 15:12:33
Anyone know if the rumours circulating about Davis asking to leave are true?

Yes on chick youngs website and clyde 1 big time sad day for us blue noses

No - don't think so.

There has been talk of him leaving sad to say hope this is not true

I hope so and he can take laugherty "greegsy" mcgregor and the rest with him.

I've heard that davis has indeed asked to leave, but not only that he and coisty will be leaving tonight

He has asked to go apparently. Not surprising he will get another club no problem.

Fringe players, not star players.... hence that muppet celik and wylde. others to follow - papac, healy, bedoya etc. these guys would be punted during the summer anyway.

Could be true as he knows he would get good offer down south and weekly wage of the bill would help others keep there jobs. Dont think admin would allow though as under long contrart with a high sell on value.....

Sad day for all bears but whoever is left lets make sure we get right behined them, no matter what the results for the rest of the season..WATP

Loubear

Davis on his way to Aston Villa, Aberdeen have offered Wylde a contract.

Won't let someone go that would be worth 3-4m

Listen bears other clubs will be holding out for these players its all buisness money talks

He might be worth 3-4 million but Rangers cant afford to sustain his wages, no sell on value if the club gets liquidated.

We cant transfer while in administration

You can sell players you cant bring anyone in.

You can transfer players out when in administration and transfer window open. Just cant bring anyone in.

How true is it that you can't sell / transfer a player while the club in in administration? {Ed001's Note - not true at all.}

He is worth 4 million dont make me laugh, just like jellyfish was worth 9 and went for half that and did you see any team in the transfair window coming in with a 4 mil or anything near that for davis. and to all these people that are hoping its not true yous all wanted his head a couple off months ago shoulting he was not good enough for rangers

06 Mar 2012 15:02:46
harry redknapp and spurs are waiting to see the outcome of alan mcgregor's situation at rangers.

Like all the Rangers fans are?

We dont want to loose alan hes our no1 has harry said this

Loada rubbish! McGregor will be one they'll defo want to keep, at least til summer, as he will have huge sell-on value

Macgregor to Spurs, Davis Aston Villa, Bocsnegra to MLS, Wylde to Aberdeen.

Huge wages too. Rangers need to save a million a month and McGregor going would bring them 80k+ closer to that. They need to lose the high earners now or they wont survive till the transfer window. Sad but true.

06 Mar 2012 14:36:45
kyle bartley has just left murray park, no decision on his future yet.

what is going on at ibrox.

feel terrible for the players and management, tough tough times.

He's on the phone to SSN right now

Very sad day for rangers fc losing player people losing jobs total lack of respect at the top for what has been done to our club

Probably waiting to see who else asks to leave voluntarily.

So unfair although hats off to Wylde, wish him all the best for the future.

We were told Bartley left days ago!
Anyway wonder if Ally is comforting them outside the door as promised!

The situation is spirriling out of control bleak hours ahead disgracefull

The situation isn't out of control. The administrators are fully in control and saving the club from liquidation. These guys are too expensive and Rangers cannot afford them.

06 Mar 2012 14:26:36
Captain steve davis has asked to be released.is this guy a leader?

No he hasnt stop talking s**t

As selfish as they come!

Never a Gers captain in my opinion

And your source is?

Heard mgreggor is leaving source clyde 1

It is an odd on certainty the highet paid will go first and if they do not take their redundacy package they will save RFC a lot of money.
This saving allows the Administrator to reduce the number of redundacies.
The redundancy package of 4 weeks would add up to 1 million pounds.

1st reply;still in denial?

Source: phil mcgiollabhain

Let's face it he's been bang on about everything else so far.

Davis and mcgregor would save the club a helluva lot of money as they are highest paid players. sorry to see wlyde go though. as for celik, goodness knows why he was bought in the first place!

Davis & mcgregor are probably the 2 safest players as they have a bigger resale value come the summer if further money needs raising by then. the administrators want people to be interested in buying the club & wouldnt sell off the prize assets as it wouldnt be in the club's best interests, therefore they wouldnt be performing their duties correctly as administrators

Its a shame he was shot down as a Timmy liar along with RTC when they were telling the truth about Whyte, EBTs, Administration, it was them who confirmed Burnley werent owed anything for Lafferty, that the poppy money story was bogus etc.

Just because they are celtic fans doesnt make them Liars.

When are you going to get it in to your thick heads the highest paid players will go it has got nothing to do with sell on values ! Your club is in real trouble the administrators will have a hard enough job saving the club they can't wait till your out of admin it may never happen !!!

06 Mar 2012 14:08:25
Barry ferguson to sign in summer and play for free! Source Ian holloway.

Not going to happen

MORE CLAP

Why even waste time posing rubbish.

Would be awesome though

! Thats made my day ... The only place Barry Ferguson will be signing on - in the summer is down at the Job Centre Plus in Lanark...

Im getting a game on saturday too!!

Bluepeter

Ian Holloway has come out with some belters but thats the best yet!!

Look open your front door take a deep breath buy a dog go for walks do anything but please please stay away from your phone or laptop if this is the best you can come up with utter clap trap "i hope"

I'm getting a game too!

If still in admin can we sign players even if it's for free and they agree to play for free?

Barry ferguson has blue blood, wouldnt surprise me.

J

Silly story

PMSL ! more chance of his big brother playing !

06 Mar 2012 13:31:46
Radio Scotland reporting that Wylde has left and so has Celik. They are alos reporting that upto 8 first team players will be gone by the end of today and unless the other players accept a 50% wage cut, it could be over 11 first team players who leave by the end of the day.

It makes you wonder...if we'll be fielding Rangers Supporters at the weekend because there wont be a team left...wonder is McCoist and Durrant will play?

Its just turned into a total fiasco admin guys will yeild the axe today sad to say

"it just turned into a total fiasco".....where the f**k have you been over the last few weeks?

The day we entered administration it was a fiasco!

As a Celtic fan well done to young Greg
Wylde. Pity it looks like the big earners may not want a big cut in wages But that young man may have saved someone's job
Well done young man

They're not walking to save Rangers or save someone else's job.
From their own lips they're tired of it all. They can't sleep at night. They didn't sign up to play football to suffer this experience.
Also who wants to hang around Ibrox with all the dirt and investigations and be associated with it?

Respect to greg

Not got a game at the weekend go back to your own page timmy

Who are you playing at the weekend that you would need to field supporters as you have a free weekend as you are out off the CUP.

06 Mar 2012 13:10:04
Goian is next to go

06 Mar 2012 12:48:07
Mervan Celik Released!

06 Mar 2012 12:37:35
Chris McLaughlin ‏ @BBCchrismclaug


A number of #Rangers players have already asked to be released. No confirmed decision as yet.

06 mar 2012 12:16:33
thats it lad the cuts have been made will be made public within the next three hours. eight prominent players to go including mcgregor amd alexander and from what we hear seven lesser but well paid players to go along with anumber of support staff. bad

Don't be daft how can they get rid of both keepers

Pretty sure they wont sake both of the goal keepers...

Aye, McCoist is going to play in goal

Basically right as somr of it is leaking out now we will see if both keepers are off, but it is looking like the numbers are right.

Under the rules a club needs at least 2 goalkeepers so gettin rid o both mcgregor & alexander will not go. absolute nonsense

Well, if McCoist does play in goal at least you will not lose any goals.

06 Mar 2012 12:06:56
Grieg wylde first player made redundant

No he wasn't, he chose to go in hope of saving others jobs, he has waived his march wages and chose not to take on any redundancy pack!

I am tipping that a list will be announced. Even alphabetically, He wouldn't be first. And his name isn't Grieg. I think he was a composer. Peer Gint and that ?

Was just on Sky sports.....true

Took no redundancy money and waived his wages for march.
good luck mate !

Marvin Cellik also out the door.....sky sports news

Celik next

Fair play to the lad for turning down his wages & the redundancy package. Good luck to you

Apologies, I was the first reply. Am in Australia and can't get the radio or TV from home. Found it unreal that he would go first.

What package...there is NO money.

This makes no sense in regards to his wages and any redundancy due as any other redundancy it is not the administrators that pay any employee from there working cash any redundancy arising from an admin or liquidation is referred to DTI (Department of trade & industry) and they then pay any redundancy and monies owed not the club or administrators in charge of the finances in effect it is the Government that pay these costs so it wouldn't make any difference to cash flow for RFC(in administration)

I believe you are incorrect, the DTI only pay redundacy in the event of liquidation, and not administration.

He wasn't made redundant. He left by own accord.

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/scottish-premier/rangers/299909-rangers-release-gregg-wylde/

06 Mar 2012 11:08:15
When you really think about, why should the Rangers players take a pay cut ? They had nothing to do with the problems & signed in good faith. I believe most of the players know if the club is liquidated, they will be picked up by other clubs anyway & in a few cases, will end up with better wages.

I think thats the difference between us and them. If where we work goes into admin. then you would find alot of people would take cuts as it might be very hard to find another job and with small wages anyway we would struggle to pay bills. You would struggle at the start but atleast you would know your in a job. where as we have players getting between £5-20 a week. who would find a new job within days. So i understand them not taking massive wage cuts. But on the other hand if my boss was giving me that type of money and he told me the company was in trouble and i needed to take a reduce in my pay till the company got out of the money problems, even though i would be able to find a new job i think i would take the wage cut. As I would realise how lucky i am to be recieving such large wages.
Don

Just think how many agents have already picked up clubs for our players... just hope they take the cut though... craig+babybear

Players leaving has begun.
Wylde first player to go

According to sky that's the pay offs started Greg Wylde Merven Celtic also

They wont be picked up by ANY clubs at the moment, unless theyre in Asia or Russia as the transfer windows everywhere else are closed! So, dunno bout you, but I'd rather take a (hopefully short term) pay cut then not have any pay at all until at least summer!

Looks like the player proposal was rejected by Administrator and redundancies have begun, and they must include high earners.

The players leaving (Wylde & Celik so far) are now free agents and they can sign for teams as a free transfer as there is no deadline for that during the season. just double checked so I'm sure of that.

06 Mar 2012 10:09:00
walter smith on key n gray talksport show approx 11.30. neil doncaster on just before him. thought id let everyone know. should be interesting.
j1985

Cant get near a radio the now if your listening to what Walter says can you let us know on here.

Cheers

Gers1986

WS said if liquidation happened it should not wipe our the history or achievement of the club, and cited Leeds as an example.

06 Mar 2012 08:21:42
Rangers could be stripped of up to 6 league titles

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4175023/Crowns-are-on-the-line.html

Ebt is not income.... thats the point of arguement with HMRC. you could also argue money players made on image rights at a club is also income..... doncaster is a turd

Image righs are all in contracts though mate, therefore should be sent to relevant governing bodies!
You will find players have this written into there contracts.
EBT is an income for the player as he reciever money at some point from it...INcome

if this wasnt made available for the spl sfa then its curtains for us.

this is different from why HMRC are after us.

the spl sfa dont care how much we paid, rather that they werent aware of it!

Bluepeter

To the second poster. You are talking out your erse.
Of course the money from the EBT is income, what the hell else would it be?

Dafty.

It's a loan from the trust which is supposed to be paid back but usually not until they have basically kicked the bucket. It's not supposed to be run like this but this is the way 95% of ebt's are currently run. So yeah the above poster is right of course it's income BUT here's the bit your missing, as it is a loan that's supposed to be repaid it is technically not income. You wouldn't put your loans down as an income would you? I'm not saying I agree with or condone it but that's it in a nutshell.

Leeroy

Personally I don't read the sun cause there a shower of two faced b@#tards. Couple of my workmates are from Liverpool and nobody buys it there,most hated newspaper group in britain. Maybe the gers fans should stop buying certain newspapers as I fell there kicking us when we are down.

Kicking us when we are down?

we have brought most of it on ourselves!

cmon guys we pride ourselves on dignity.

BluePeter

I would like to see Rangers fans blaming the right people Not Newspapers Not BBC nor any other media...and not anyother football club. The men you trusted and paid your hard earned cash to made fools of you all.
They are the ones who should be on the receiving end of your written anger. I am not a Rangers fan but I hate the idea of the ordinary people who work at Ibrox worrying about their jobs, whilst the fat cats get fatter ..

Not again ahhh..If an Ebt is a non repayable loan then why the hidden contract?Why didn,t A meet B and hand over a brown envelope?Would huv saved a lot of grief and given yer past and present record for honesty and morality..I know who i believe dumbasses lol

Does that mean that if the teddybears are stripped of titles (notgonnaehappenbythesmy) then the great unwashed will think they have won more titles than us lol, dream on timothys, you's couldnt do it on the park and you'll certainly not do it off the park, 54 titles and climbing, liquidation or not.............WATP

I kind of see where people are going with this......... oh no wait i aint got a chuffing clue but i can't wait till bluepeter goes to work (or the benefits office more like) to find out his employer has taken the lead of the extremely honest Glasgow Rangers and have therefore decided he no longer has a 40 hour per week working contract but rather his bosses will now pay him with a loan every week .............. and oh yeah it has to be paid back sometime ???????

Naive, ignorant, brainwashed views on things i'm afraid people. It's not all quite like i've said above but when broken down into layman's terms it is what it is

byeeeeeee !!

Absolute tosh mckinley !!

Can't rewrite history and anyway EBTs were for discretionary, rather than contractual payments !!