Rangers Rumours Archive July 06 2012

 

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06 Jul 2012 19:23:09
I tried to renew my season ticket today on the rangers website but it says the season ticket renewals are suspended. I then called the ticket office to ask what's happening and was told the same because they want to wait for the SFL to decide our fate. So much for wanting the money from the season tickets then.

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Who would pay 500 quid for a third div season ticket? u need to know what the show is first. some people have too much money

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I'd presume the problem is they dont know how much to charge.. £199.00 season ticket for 1st division or £47.50 for ayrshire junior league 3. remember tho lads, you can get a reduction on that if you have a walking stick,, like 90% of Govan inhabitants

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Ffs is that not wot most of has been doing ....cos we dont know wot div yet !!!!!!

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If I was them I would have asked for an interim payment to register, deductable from final amount. I think there are still moves to put sevco in spl.

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The reason is simple, Metro bank can't set up DDs for something that doesn't yet exist i.e. a football club with a league to have a season ticket for !

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To the guys who are already trying to get a cheaper season ticket FFs get behind the team we have supported for years no matter what league we are in

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I dont understand theres two teams in glasgow ,just go and watch celtic {Ed039's Note - you're right, you dont understand)

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06 Jul 2012 15:53:07
THE Club continues to make progress with the arrangements for season ticket payments.

This process is taking longer than initially hoped but supporters can be assured that every effort is being made to conclude arrangements as quickly as possible.

For clarity, any payments that have been made in the past two weeks have been or will be deposited directly into the accounts held by the Club with Metro Bank.

It is anticipated that the deadline for renewals will be extended.

As soon as the Club is in a position to fully clarify the relevant information regarding pricing and the application and payment processes, we will communicate directly with season ticket holders.

they didnt put that in the story in todays paper!

directly from Rangers website

J

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J - Put what in the paper. That Rangers haven't a clue how they are going to collect money for season tickets.

That's what your positing is saying.

Mac2.

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Anyone who buys a season ticket at this time deserves to lose their money and this is nothing to do with Ally or Bomber saying so.If the powers that be decide to apply the rules,we won't be playiong anywhere next season.
Hold onto your cash.If anything is sorted out for next season you can always pay on a game by game basis.

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Banking facilities provided for the brand new football club by a brand new bank.

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So much for loyal rangers fans. The new club needs your money more than ever.

Support your club man!

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06 Jul 2012 12:13:38
Ally McCoist warning "Rangers" fans not to buy seasons tkts yet. Says he's few players, no league and so don't buy yet. (Channel 4)

Rangers £15m cash black hole. Only 250 season tickets purchased so far (£100,000) (Daily Record)

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They are forgetting that 90% of season books are bought on Direct debit, first payment due at midnight tonight. They automatically roll over so by Monday we will have about 35000!

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250 tickets @£500 average. I would be asking for a rebate now before Hughie spends the cash.

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DO NOT believe a word the Daily Record says.

TTG

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So what hes kind of saying dont buy season tickets cause theres a chance we wont be playing next season?

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Does npbody realise we are NOT in any league as yet, so how can anyone commit money for a season ticket ?
Likewise why is the German call off a surprise ?

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No they wont be taken?!
Rangers have already announced no payments on DD to be taken until further advice announced on league etc.

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Unlikely to be direct debt - as that goes to account for oldco and therefore available for creditors - not newco which would be whole new bank account..

newco bank is Metro - does this do bacs DD?

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"They are forgetting that 90% of season books are bought on Direct debit, first payment due at midnight tonight. They automatically roll over so by Monday we will have about 35000!"
Eh ? No, different bank, different account, different DD beneficiary.....so your talking nonsense.

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Ally is right. He would't be sticking his neck out like this for no reason (perhaps risking his job). Chances are it will be SFL1 (or SPL2 if that is the outcome) but as he implies the situation is fluid. Maybe Regan will be forced out of his job? Maybe SFL want Rangers in SFL1 anyway? Maybe Spartans manage to put a spanner in the spokes?

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"Maybe Spartans manage to put a spanner in the spokes?"
If Sevco FC and other clubs trying to get the vacant spot in the SFL go through the usual procedures, then the SLF could quite easily (I think) justify Sevco FC being awarded the place. Anything else could see Spartans, for example, having a case for taking the matter further.
Al

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@Al

If you read the e-mail forwarded to the member clubs outlining the three proposed questions (it is posted in full on another thread - possibly in the Banter page) then I think the point you make about procedural precedent being followed (which is entirely valid and difficult to argue against incidentally) may be bypassed via the entry rules being changed on the day of the vote. As far as I understand it (I may be wrong - it wouldn't be the first time) the first question leads to a straightforward majority vote as to whether Rangers should be incorporated within the SFL OR not. This is the most important one as far as Rangers fans are concerned as we want to play in the league this coming season. The second question is the interesting one as it determines (and this is the one directly relating to your point) whether the member clubs believe adequate rules are currently in place to allow this to happen. If no (they aren't in my opinion) you would imagine they will change them on the day the way the e-mail is worded, and if yes to that (which is clearly questionable as I see it) then the SFL member clubs will automatically be authorising the SFL BOARD (the clubs themselves do not get to chose which division we will end up in - the board do) to accommodate Rangers in whichever league they perceive to be in the best interests of Scottish football. The third question is reserved for who replaces Rangers in the SPL and is in itself contentious. Dundee, who apparently can't vote due to a conflict of interest, or Dunfermline who are deemed not to have a conflict of interest and are allowed to vote in it? Surely that is wrong if true? If Dunfermline want into the SPL then there must be a conflict of interest?

In short:

1) Should they accept Rangers into the SFL: yes or no (majority vote)

2) Are there rules in place to allow it (voted upon): if no then they will be changed and if so the board, and not the clubs, will decide which league to put Rangers in.

3) Who goes into SPL (Dundee or Dunfermline) majority vote.

I am a Rangers fan but if this is true why is the SFL board (apart from the obvious - Division 1 with preset sanctions and no permissible legal challenge as agreed by the SPL/SFA/SFL) allowed to decide where we end up? Surely the process is designed for, and supposed to encourage, the democratic right of the member clubs? This will just turn the SFL clubs against as much as the SPL clubs when it is the doing of their own board in conjunction with the SPL and SFA.

To my mind, having read it, we will either be in Division 1 or not in the SFL period as reading between the lines Division 3 does not appear to be an option they wish to entertain. The member clubs, if they feel they are being blackmailed (which they obviously are if the final decision is ultimately taken out of their hands and they only get to choose whether we are admitted into the SFL or not) could turn around and vote us out of the league altogether if the SPL/SFA/SFL are not careful, when the vast majority of fans (including Rangers fans) obviously see the 3rd Division as the only justifiable outcome. This could prove disastrous for all sides if these clubs stand up to the governing bodies and vote Rangers out altogether on the first vote. They are taking a massive risk by forcing their hands and removing the decision from these clubs as to where we play when the clubs would more than likely overwhelmingly accept a straightforward (albeit with some bending of the rules as you suggest Al) application to Division 3.

Brian

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06 Jul 2012 09:14:41
There is a very strong rumour doing the rounds that Donald Findlay and John Brown are about to drop a blockbuster regarding the takeover of Rangers in about a fortnight.
I just heard this from an Uncle of mine.
Anybody else heard anything of this rumour?

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Andy goram on sky news says John Brown are making another bid next week

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I'm not sure mate but I believe something is going down.

My mate works in a shop in Glasgow, he told me John Brown was in and he spoke to him about Rangers for 10 mins.

He told him that something will be announced next week.

With all respect to John Brown though, I don't know whether to believe it or not.

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I find this strange as findlay had stated that he can do no more as he does not want to be seen to be helping rangers, and when brown was offered to see the deeds he declined do not want brown in any take over.

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John Brown's comments on a buyout smack of self delusion. Neither he nor his so-called backers have anything like the money required. As for Donald Findlay, he would hardly have announced yesterday that he was voting against Rangers entry to SFL1 if he was in the process of taking them over!

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Why wait a fortnight? if it is a blockbuster tell us now - more p!$h.
All these people like Brown, King etc that put Green down don't have an alternative except back us with your money and Rangers will be run by Rangers men.
I'm a Rangers man so back me and I'll run Rangers!
FFS lets just get on with it

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Thts far to late season ticket deadlines r nxt wednesday or sumthing like tht we need him to tell us everything now dont believe u as a bid is expected nxt week

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Why post about brown and findlay about a blockbuster then give no detail whether its good or bad?this is why as rangers fans we get excited over nothing

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Why wait a fortnight ? Are Cowdenbeath buying out Green ? Tell us now.We need a laugh.

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I heard that this might have something to do with the ownership of Murray Park and the Stadium.

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Why a fortnight? If they are dropping any bombshells it should be now, a fortnight is too close to the start of the season. It would just hinder the Gers' progression along the road to recovery.

TTG

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I strongly suspect that what tiny credibility Bomber still has will disappear next Friday when it's proved that his assertion that he knows for a fact that Rangers will play in SFL Div 1 next season is proven to be like everything else the eejit says - utter mince.

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Hold on think about this sensibly...the SFL clubs vote on GREEN's Newco application a week today, any other "owner" would need to have sale agreed, completed, new application to SFL delivered, etc all in time for new season start on 4th August...how long has it taken to get to this stage alone...? months. So all this "bombshell" stuff now is pure and utter garbage. Green's newco is the ONLY show in town.

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To the guy who says his mate met Brown in shop, pmsl, musta been a feckin off-licence

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Will we even be able to make out what he says?. Translator required. Andy cfc

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The rules of the SFL are pretty clear. Rule 8 stipulates that any team applying for admission to the league must pay a non refundable deposit of £1000 + vat and on admission to the league will enter at the lowest division ie Div 3.
These rules would therefore apply in the case of a newco so for ANY new applications to join the league and go straight to Div 1 a motion to introduce a new rule to allow that to happen would have to be introduced into the constitution.

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John brown was offered to see the deeds by his own accountant who was sitting at top table and verified them on wednesday night, all the man is doing is hindering our progress and dividing the fans,he barracked Green on who his investors were and was shown who they were, when he was asked he would not tell,,fkn hypocrite We must all come together and buy our season tickets and normal tickets as soon as decision is made next Friday or we will have no club

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Green might be in it for the money but at least he had the money paw broon has not got two bob to rub together

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Come on guys. Season ticket holder for 20 yrs, but time to hold back. Anyone who buys at this stage is crazy as Green is not a man you want to give money to. Open your eyes guys, he's going to do another Whyte or worse. This guy could finish us and I am told by good sources he will. Had a few players transferred he would have sold the club by now. Plan b is not to take us back to where we belong. Wake up and don't trust him -please!

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I'm a jambo and our owner is a mad bag of snakes, but isn't about time you lot backed the only show in town, bought ur season tickets etc, you already chased the yank out b4 you even seen the colour of his money, now you wont back charles green! why? where was bomber or sir walter 2 month ago when RFC could have been saved?/ HHGH

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The rule book also clearly states clubs applying for admission to the league must have 3 years of updated accounts, if Newco are allowed into the league it could well be reversed by FIFA/UEFA

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Like others have said, it's too late in the day to talk about being "saved" (again). Green might not be the philanthopist Rangers would like and he's not making any friends, but he's stood firm and wants to make a good go of this.

So long as Ally is around the team is in good hands.

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Problem about Mr Green is he hasnt got the backing he needs all these so called investors are smoking mirrors this "Green is the only show in town" is just tripe blooody club is now in Liquidation we could start out own club and call it rangers the only money Green has is our money so why dont we buy Ibrox and do it. This Greens not got a clue. bloody Metro Bank are you having a laff lol

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I can tell you what the Bombshell is, And this is fact not rumour, There is an oustanding Electricity bill for £27,366 that was not included in the list of creditors that was subject to the liquidation agreement, Green accepted to take on the bill in the takeover agreement or it would have delayed the sale, He paid £3000 to stave off disconnection with the remainder to be paid within 14 days, This has not been paid. A warrant has been applied for to force entry to Ibrox to disconnect, I call on the trustees of the FFF to write a cheque first thing on Monday morning for the full amount, or we are going to be embarrassed even further in next weeks daily liar.
KB

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06 Jul 2012 05:48:58
Ally Want to bring in at least 10 to 14 players before the season starts.

source-sky sports+bbc+papers

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No what he said is that he NEEDS to bring in that many players to replemish the 21 players he's lost since February.

No money, embargo still in place and no league to play in. SFA appeal tribunal said he had a pot of 40 professional players to choose from which is why they didn't accepts Rangers arguements over not having enough players.

Ok 10 have left/walked in the past month, but so what are the other 30 players in the squad doing? Yes, they may be not be ideal first choice, but they are being paid and can be used if required. We need to live within our means and the building of a squad has to be through youth and will take a long time. The days of raiding the transfer market are no longer viable.

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Just the small point of the transfer embargo too deal with first!? even if it was overturned it would be journey men & has beens at best, & here's another thing, where will the money come from for wages? you could always ask the 250 who have bought season tickets!

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I don't doubt he does. But I don't think he will be able to.

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How can anyone disagree given we have 6 first team players!!

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With only 6 players Ally will HAVE to sign at least 10 players

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He should go for the two Hope brothers...Bob and Noah.

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And how does that fit in with Green's plane to run the club within its means?
Al

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Only 6 players?
Does that mean that Ally only has six professional players or only six first(ish) team players.

AFAIK the panel will look at the quantity of professional players not the quality.

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What kind of player signs for an organisation that doesn't have a real name or even a league to play in ? Maybe thats the "bombshell" Brown and today Goram are gibbering about....?

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Ally might want to bring in 10 to 14 players but if we are in the First Division then the embargo (under 18's only) will still be part of the agreed sanctions unless Green plays hardball (which would be a risky move on his behalf as HE clearly wants the First over the Third Division) and can persuade those making the final decision that the embargo should be lifted. Either that or the club already know we are going to the 3rd in which case the embargo will probably be lifted. It also depends if Green is willing to spend any money depending on which division we are in. As usual, we will just have to wait and see.

Brian

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Why dont celtic lend rangers some of their youth squad good experience for them help rangers break down some barriers

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