Rangers Rumours Archive March 05 2012

05 Mar 2012 23:08:21
Neil Alexander 12 grand a f£cking week! Get him out the p!ssing door NOW!
PaulRFC

Lets be honest here sally mccoist is a shockin manager his signings have been a joke his team selections have been a joke why do rankers fans rate him n fell sorry 4 him

Paul what kind of bear are you terrible post what has neil done

He has done f*** all which is the guys point good keeper happy to play second fiddle for good dosh chase him gie mcculloch his dosh

One that cares mate, our clubs going to fold, he's played like 12 games in 3 year at 97 THOUSAND A GAME, I like Neil did well in Italy for us in the U cup but come on he has to be the first out infact he's at the stage of his career when he should be playing anyway, so don't give me "what kind of bear are you"... We are fighting for our lives an he's taking to much for nothing in return, his last game was a f�cking nightmare man, thank you Neil Alexander I respect you greatly but it's time to move on big chap!
PaulRFC

What has Neil done? Not much if anything, didn't think he was getting paid that though, agree he will go

RFC are paying their reserve GK double that of any first team GK in the SPL outwith the Old Firm ?

Insanity....sheer insanity.

To the post about ally a few bears have been critical of him in tactics which is fair enough but the guys under great stress what do you think ed ? great person {Ed001's Note - I have to be honest and say I don't think he has done that well. But it is early days, he took over a side playing negative, defensive football, so that will take time to change, if that is his intention. Personally I would prefer to give managers time to create their own team before judging them, so I am a little wary about judging him so early, but questions do need to be asked about why the club's form has collapsed so spectacularly. As the manager he should be ensuring that any off field problems are used as an incentive, rather than a negative.}

The guys the 2nd keeper probally faster than mcculloch the guys losing his job get a grip

Paul if you said that in the first place it just looked bad the way you worded it

Ok ally might not be a great manager one thing i can say he has been a tower of strength to those players when nobody else has been there ally is respected by all fans of the other spl clubs we need more people like ally around he would help anyone and i mean anyone

I think you'll find his original contract was �12k but his new contract was down to �8k a week

Good point ed fair comment {Ed001's Note - he might learn from the experience and become a great manager, but right now he does need to work hard at figuring out why the players are not performing for him.}

To paul rfc i suppose feelings are running high just now but il be gutted if players have got to leave

Alexander is a top class keeper. It's not our fault we have two. Or his.

8k per week is a lot more than any other GK in the SPL outwith Celtic, what do you guess is the best GK wage, 4-5k per week ?

Terrible case of paying way over the odds.

You don't need two top class GKs in the SPL and you certainly don't need to pay him double the going rate, especially when you can not afford it.
The club has been overspending for at least the eleven seasons. The combined losses for that period come to �140m, or roughly �13m a season. The only way Rangers have survived the madness is by shareholders (mainly SDM) pouring ever more money in. When the Murray money dried up, reality arrived. The 2009 results showed that the club spent �11m on players when they knew there was no European football to justify it.The last decade shows that over-spending to gamble on European money is a road to disaster.
8 OR 12K A WEEK FOR A RESERVE GK IN THE SPL IS FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT.

D&P doing 12 hour days, 7 days a week, 8 people, for 22 days so far at �600 per hour = 12x600x8x22=�1,267,200.00

Over a million and a quarter so far.

We need to be ruthless and. Get rid of D&P soonest. Retain only 11 cheapest players to satisfy our legal committments. Sack the rest immediately. Sack Ally and his coaching staff. Sack 70% other workers put those who remain on 50% salaries. Bounce admins out the door. AVOID LIQUIDATION.

I take your point mate, I should of worded it different, didn't mean to come across like a nob!
PaulRFC

Mental. definately one for the chop! i think we will all be surprised what some of these fringe players are pocketing. I would much prefer we had young lads as second choice for keepers etc. look at that young lad perry. i bet he is on considerably less dosh than goan.... an i think he's a better footballer. punt on the medioca players and give the young lads a run. even if we get a new investor, the league is over. I'd rather see what little, kerkar, mccabe, perry, hemmings etc can do with a run of games. the future was alway based on the training academy. now is the time to put it to use. roll on the end of march.

Can well believe Alexander's salary is so high. A lot of big clubs pay their back up Goalkeepers unusually high salary...just to be a back up Goalkeeper! EG Steve Harper at Newcastle was for years paid a fortune to be number 2 behind Shay Given when he was there.

05 Mar 2012 22:08:02
Please try and grasp this,tell your mates,let everybody know; rangers can only play in england IF THEY MOVE THERE! Please no more rubbish posts

Not arguing with your point as I don't know enough about it, but the last time I looked Swansea & Cardiff were in Wales, and their teams play in those cities but are in the English league. How can it work for them and not us? {Ed001's Note - because they were playing in England before the rule was created and before they had a Welsh league to play in.}

Why don't we take over Berwick Rangers, rename them Rangers FC & work our way up the English leagues.
If the SPL & Liewell want to do everything possible to handicap Rangers with points deductions & financial penalties for years to come then we should leave & restart in England.
Leave Scottish football behind with no TV deals, no sponsorship deals . Let's see how they get on - NOT

We'll see !

So, Swansea and Cardiff ARE IN ENGLAND are they ? Lol. I love trumpets like this.

I think you will find you wrong there are teams that have played both sides of the border. The question is would the english league allow this to happen. I personally dont think they would but it is all possible if the right people want it.

If sky fancy it then it will happen wd luv us to leave all the haters up here behind. isnt rangers head office not now in london , loophole maybe {Ed001's Note - Sky are no longer an issue here. You are living in the past, internet streaming rights are far more important than TV money. The revenue to be received from those is expected to dwarf that gained from Sky within the next couple of years.}

There are no rules that teams have to play in England. Former chairman of the football league interviewed on talksport. Had reached a deal with both old firm clubs to join the old first division in 2001. Rules were no promotion in the first year and the 2 clubs could not get promoted together. as for being having no money and buying portsmouth. It would be a new company not the Rangers as is now and it wouldn't be buying Portsmouth. it would be buying the registration to the football league only if they were liquidated as this is an asset. Revert back to Airdrie Utd buying Clydebank registration to Scottish league.

There are at least 4 clubs in the English leagues that are in financial trouble that may not be able to go on a another season. {Ed001's Note -I think you must have missed something, because if it was all agreed why are they not there now? Oh that's right, it was not all agreed at all.}

It was agreed with English league. Lower premier clubs stopped it for self preservation. I'm not suggesting that a newco would go in at championship level. They would have to start at 3 rd division and work up. Not so much of scare for mid to low table premier clubs short term plus it's not both Halfs of the old firm.
Still think the plan from Whyte at the start was liquidation. Not paying bills or tax and taking out huge loans is par of the course if you're going bankrupt a company.

As for Paul Murray he sat on the board for years and took no intrest in buying the club from SDM until Whyte came in then he has a sudden change of heart ? If he thought it was a viable option why sit there for years and do nothing ?

Not true since when was Cardiff a club inside england. Please check your facts before posting. English rules only state must be in the United Kingdom {Ed001's Note - it is UEFA that have altered their rules, probably to hold off the creation of a European Super League by default.}

&ed living in the past , i know wot u saying about streaming rights but u missed the point the power comes from sky being a major contributer and if thet power base changes to streaming then that company will have the power the point is if they fancy it wether it sky or whoever then it will happen {Ed001's Note - the clubs already want to move over to streaming rights mate, Sky's power is already reduced as the club's will host their own streaming packages. It is already in the process of being done, Liverpool's owners have come in purely on the basis of this. If Rangers had been on the ball with this and had it all in place, there would have been no issue getting a buyer. Instead they farmed their website out to a company who are not in the forefront of this new arena.}

05 Mar 2012 20:52:28
There's a shock, a meeting at Hampden today to change the rules for Phoenix clubs, to prevent them from reaching the heights for decades, these new accusations will also cripple us, I am a 100% bear but as I said liquidation is on the horizon, there is a definate agenda in Scotland to make sure that Rangers do not survive, new revelations daily are tarnishing our great club to the brink of extinction. WATP.


Gus

3 of the chairman on ssn today sounded like they wanted a strong rangers.

I don`t think u need to look further than yourselves to see who has created this mess No agendas or is this just paranoia creeping in ?

I dont think this agenda exists. i would like to see the clubs share an agenda that the punishment fits the crime. If rangers are guilty of cheating over a period of 15-20 years they should face the appropriate sanctions with no fear or favour. I ask you bears what do you think is a suitable punishment for playing players with 2nd contracts to gain an unfair advantage?

Those wanting to kick us but keep us in the SPL for TV money should remember that we will not necessary re apply for membership to the SFA, SPL or SFL. Would be free to apply to the FA and affiliated leagues in England and leave the SPL to rot

If we liquidate my only avenue i feel would be to try english leagues screw the spl

We have to accept///// we did cheat

Lot of nonsense and paranoia the other clubs won't bite the hand that feeds them.

Bluebear

How many times do we need to go through this. english leagues dont want ur or celtic anywhere near them and unless platini/uefa has had a miraculous change of heart it will never happen

Totally agree with leaving the Scottish League behind to rot and joining the English league with a view to being an EPL within 5-8 years.

Am so embarrassed with gers we need a break then a fresh start!! Its the old sayin cheeters never win? And we won't..... w.a.t.p

Thought the meeting was to set out news rules if this happened again to punish the club harder, why wouldn't other clubs want Rangers to be around, that like asking turkeys to vote in favor of Christmas.

Das Shadow

Life would be to difficult for us to move on here. liquidation and a move is now the only way forward,looks like its the english lower leagues
looks like Whyte was brought in to help us make the desision

You know there is an obvious alternative to all of this vindictive prosecution of Rangers - take the club and the fans and the income and put is somewhere where it is valued - it is abject nonsense for Hibs (Dundee and Edinburgh), Hearts, et al, to want the demise of Rangers cash - let them be careful what they wish for

I agree lets face it if we fold n come back as a new company in the spl then in 10years time i bet we will aw be sittin here in the same situation

Tax........i. To England now, is it

Only problem with going to England is that SFA have to agree.

I agree if we go into liquidation let's try apply to English league it's worth a try everyone in Scotland hates us anyway so we should leave them to rot and in 5 years time we could be in the premiership .

Scottish football has been struggling for years and now the fact that the largest and biggest supported club in the country is close to going out the game, then it is spl RIP am afraid....

Dont talk pish..Rangers can resign from the league anytime they like..

What ever happened to corprate liability..none of this s**te can be laid at the door of the fans...if there has been laws broken people should be prosecuted...Murray..Whyte and any board members in a position to be in the know should be held responsible for all this nonesense...not your honest Bear who pays his dues to watch the fitbaw..RTID.......

No way will the English leagues want you anywhere near them.

Scottish football will be finished without Rangers. With drastically reduced TV money and dwindling crowds, other SPL clubs will go to the wall in no time. Just watch !

The SPL know this. They need Rangers. Even the many mob need us, despite Lawwell's claims.

Im a Rangers Fan aswell but under no illusions whats happening is deserved there is no conspiricy we did it to ourselves one way or another. this has been comming for years we should have asked the questions then not now. We only have ourselves to blame.

Take the punishment liquidation looks
A cert drop down to div3 and rebuild
Some nice away days more money for small teams and let the spl rot

Any move to England would allow another club called Rangers to form in Glasgow and play in Scotland. Then you have two Rangers.

So they want to punish a NEW Rangers too ? Seems bigoted to me. Should go to Div 3 , or England if poss. They say they don't need us ? Awesome. Let's go.

The Scottish Rangers

I just wonder why the powers that be didn't review the rules when Motherwell, Dundee and Livingston went into admin twice. I just don't get all this negative hype about going into liquidation and potential consequences. In England, Leeds were liquidated and came back as Leeds (newco), history still intact and referred to. Their points penalties only applied as they were in liquidation. I get we are a different FA/League, but is this not just a media frenzy pandering to the parnoid fans of one club that wants us to become extinct? The last time I looked as well, we lived in a country of innocent until proven guilty, we haven't been found guilty of committing any crime, what we are guilty off is financial mis-management. If it becomes a crime to not have any debt then football in its entirity is doomed.

I am a celtic fan and I do not understand why the Rangers fans take a similar action to what the Celtic fans did in the 90's
The financial problems go back many years and I would question the main stream media for hiding it when it was on internet sites like The Rangers Tax Case for some time now and I would say that more than 95% of his info. hase been correct. Discuss

Oh aye,the english really really want your mob playing there do they? ye couldnae make this rubbish up! keep it up its hilarious

The SPL need Rangers?
Liquidation means no Rangers.
Newco takes Rangers mantle Hector will
pursue then for his money no matter where they play in UK, .
Fact {Ed001's Note - rubbish, if Rangers are liquidated there is no debt.}

This is not meant to be arrogant.SPL club directors have stated that they need Rangers. Its all to do with TV money and attendances. If it was any body but either side of the Old Firm that said club would have been bounced right out the league. Even if we come back as a pheonix club we will still be voted into the SPL .Football is a buisness and no longer just a sport.

All this stupid talk about england rangers are a scottish club its our own fault with this mess we are in we must get real take the punishment but come back a stronger club as rangers fc or new co lets abandon scottish football because of the mis management of our club no chance get real fellow bears

Rules state that you can not join a league in a country different from your home ground. Platini changed the rules a few seasons back. So unless you pack up and move in with Chelsea, you aren't allowed.

GoldCoastBhoy

Not strictly true on the Liquidation point if Hmrc can prove that this is stilll the same company and that Rangers (old co) have tried to do this to avoid the payment of debt then they could Persue Rangers (newco)but one point if any further points deduction where to come after the split no relegation would be possible as rangers would be a top 6 team therefore locked in the top 6. {Ed001's Note - that would be if it was a phoenix club, not a newco.}

There is an agenda in Scotland yes. It is to ensure clubs play by the rules. Rangers have broken the rules and can go be damned. Cheaters are not wanted.

Ed Phoenix club is a newco its the same thing if Hmrc can prove that the newco or phoenix club is trying to evade the debt owed to them by changing its name then it has the right to persue. {Ed001's Note - it's not the same thing at all, a phoenix is closer to being a takeover and is a slightly different case.}

05 Mar 2012 19:51:08
highest earning ranger players offer to take a 75% pay cut in final proposal to administrators

source, breaking news ssn,

Bull mcgregor refused

Celtic fan here, fair play to them, it's not the players fault the clubs in this mess. Any player at any club who would be willing to slash their pay to continue wearing the shirt deserves massive credit

For the t**t that says shagger refused 's**te'!

He and davis were the two leaders along with jig who is willing to take 100% cut

All credit to the rangers players if they take cuts its not their fault most of my mates support the other mob and they thought if the players did it would gain respect all round i think no football fan wants to see any player lose their job good luck lads

05 Mar 2012 19:19:33
Another day and no news and more money in the administrators back pocket. So tomorrow will see us in administration for 3 weeks exactly and what has happened Ali Russell and Gordon Smith have been shown the door and they've tried to seize 3.6m from the crooks lawyers who in turn hasn't came back to Scotland.

He is in his castle up north

I actually think this is the end of us to be honest, this actually killing me!! No one is going to buy us, players are going to have to leave its just falling part evry day till theres nuthin left actually close to tears!!

Close to tears,,,,,get a grip man for f,,,,ks sake,or all the manks will tar us with the same brush....trueblue...

He is in scotland


TB

05 Mar 2012 18:51:36
Radio have just said.A whole can of worms opened today , and to expect a lot more ..This thing is never going to end

I suspect we'll find out that Greegsy's, Davis's and Whittaker's contracts were renewed with Rangers Group rather than the club. This will be another serious breach of regs that's about to come out and may explain why it's taking the administrators so long to make a decision on who's going.

I hope I'm wrong.

Ed whats the story with this ? greegys contract etc {Ed001's Note - nobody is entirely sure, there is a suspicion that the contracts were not held by the club, but by another company. It could be a load of nonsense, if true then it could be seen as a case of 3rd party ownership, I am not sure what the rules are governing that in Scotland are though. I know in England they are now no longer allowed, but I haven't been able to find the relevant piece in the Scottish laws of the game. Whether that is because they are not there or not, I really can't tell you yet. The Club Secretary would have been the person dealing with it, he should have known what was allowable and what wasn't. So, if a breach of the rules was made, I would love to hear from him as to what the hell he was thinking of to allow it!}

That bizzarre our 3 top players hope this aint true

While I think this point is well made and debatable, I think liquidation is inevitable and so it hardly matters now

I posted "I suspect ...."

What makes me think there might be something in this is that our Co Sec at the time was (and I think still is) Gary Withey of Collyers Bristow, who's business affairs are looking very dodgey (I sure I read suggestions in the press that Collyers Bristow maybe about to go bankrupt - is that correct Ed ?) and he & Whyte are in this together. Thick as thieves, as they say.

If these players' contracts turn out to be with Rangers Group (Whyte's co) then Whyte will get the money for any transfer fees, as creditor even if we're liquidated. I'm sure he sees the players as assets and this will turn out to be another asset stolen from us.

Gav {Ed001's Note - there have been suggestions in the press yes.}

05 Mar 2012 18:16:10
SPL members looking to have Rangers relegated if they cannot pay monies due to Dunfermline, Dundee Utd and Hearts by using a clause in constitution that states any club that fields players not registered correctly will lose points for games those players if proved Rangers will have 0 points for season, SPL to start investigation and make a statement today.

The SPL has no mechanism to relegate any team to the SFL. FACT

I don't think the SPL can relegate Rangers. They can vote to allow entry to the SPL if Rangers are liquidated and return as a newco, but I'm reasonably sure they can't relegate them if they come out of admin.

The non payment to those teams is not directly linked to the alleged dual contracts. Id imagine therefore that it has no legal bearing on the potential relegation of Rangers.

Nonsense. The issue with registered players is for years gone by. I know its a rumours page but thats nothing but a downright lie.

There have been teams thrown out of cup cups for incorrect registration of Players, I also thought this may be nonsense but heard on Sky news SPL have started an investigation into Rangers players contracts not being declared, how many official bodies are now investigating Rangers? HMRC, SFA, Police, SPL what's going on I can't believe we will survive this!

Only need to look what happened to sion to realise all points deducted is possible

Would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. Only Celtic would then provide a 'large' travelling support, so these teams would lose out financially. Scottish football about to get even more boring zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

If there are RFC players incorrectly registered through a 3rd party (like Rangers Football group) then the SPL can strip them of all points won when these players played. Feasibly they could end up with minus ten points. This would result in relegation of that there is no doubt

Lets be honest, the rest of them dont have the balls to call for relegation even if they could. They know which side their bread is buttered on.

We won't survive this, we will be liquidated, fact. We can also forget about being reformed as Rangers FC 2012 as the other clubs and SFA (numpties) would put a massive points penatly and financial penatly on us. Was good being a fan for 25 years, I'm finished with Scottish football now. Man Utd it is for me.

We will always survie.it's in our breeding

More bullsh#t coz the spl CANT relegate teams to a different league they have no control over a wee bit more research needed be4 posting utter bull


TB

Man utd it is for me? Don't bother. Just support Celtic. They deserve you. Or vice versa.

The spl can deducted points which could lead to relegation

And if in administration in Scottish division 1, its relegation to division 3 as Livingston found out.

Livingston weren't relegated just because they went into admin, it was because the did so for the second time within either 5 or 7 years. If relegated we would win whichever league we are in so might as well get some more trophies in our cabinet, unless we are a new company,

Best thing we can do the now is apply to fa for blue square start again ram the pathetic spl

A breach of rules on insolvency was the reason behind the decision to relegate Livingston. There have been so many alleged breaches of so many rules.

05 Mar 2012 17:51:02
From Rangers official site;

Duff and Phelps, the administrators of Rangers Football Club, today issued the following statement:

Paul Clark, joint administrator, said: "Everyone involved in the administration process has been attempting to reach a consensual solution in regard to job losses within the playing squad. The prime reason for this has been to achieve essential cost savings while preserving the fabric of the first team.

"This has not been an easy balance to strike and we would like to thank the manager Ally McCoist, his players and the PFA Scotland for attempting to find a solution that would be workable for all. Every realistic option is being explored.

"Regrettably, it has not been possible thus far to reach a consensus where players could accept the necessary level of wage cuts to prevent job losses within the squad. We do not for a moment criticise the players for this as the wage reductions that would be required are very substantial and would have a significant impact on each individual.

"For clarity, we cannot enforce wage cuts. The players have to agree to this course of action. The players have asked us to consider a final proposal overnight for discussion in the morning and we have agreed to this request."

Not a rumour This is Fact. The sticking point is that the Administrators can not agree to deferred payments, as this would be a new debt they bring to the club, The Players have been advised by the players union, to demand deferred payment to be paid within 5 years, and in the event of Liquidation the players become preferred creditors, with full amounts due to be paid to them. When in administration these conditions can not be met.
Wee Cuddy

The answer to the players final proposal will be no, if the proposal added up to 1 million then they would have said yes immediately. It is obviously significantly less than what the administrators want.
The administrators will now have to make the highest paid redundant, it is inevitable.

Next question, will Gers fans turn out to watch a reserve team getting beat, if not, then the administrator runs out of working capital and its over. Bearing in mind administration will last 3 months before a CVA and sale can take place.

How loyal will the fans be ?

As someone who wants RFC to survive I think its over, it may drag on until the end of March but its over.
It does not need the big tax case to go wrong to cause liquidation, a simple cash shortage will be enough.

Blah blah blah.

It's no secret that administrators will say 'No'. And the exodus begins.

05 Mar 2012 17:44:30
I posted today @ 14.30 their be no press release & that mcgregor leading a band of 7 1st team players into getting out of rangers,mainly the high earners are killing rangers,not all as it seems expect foundations to crumble with in players fall outs,100% reliable source,

Dot n u dare blame the players. If u want to apportion blame then look to SDM and the evil spiv

What kind of person are you that defends people who will not play for the jersey? It shows that all the rubbish printed in the papers when they signed "it was always the club I supported (as a boy/ family) and wanted to play for" is exactly that, rubbish none of them want to play for the glory of playing for Rangers, but the big money, they should all take a wage cut or get out

Totally agree with the above,the fans are doing their part to save OUR club but some players are just after the money and stuff everybody else, papers should name and shame these players in our time of need. All their asking for is 1 to 3 months reduction in wages to save their and our club.

So the fans will do anything to save our club but certain players will do anything to run our club into the ground. If its true about McGregor then shame on him and the rest and hopefully the fans will stop chanting his name as he is no Rangers man. I hope every person that has a hand in all deals that brought our club to this stage are found out and hopefully prosecuted and jailed, cos their nothing but cheats, scum and are hiding just now, but it will all come out. SDM Your day will come and soon hopefully

100% source fairly f***ed up there then

Anyone not willing too take a pay cut clearly dont have the club at heart. get them too f***! WATP

100% bulls**t

I thought all fans who actually believed all that badge kissing nonsense were extinct, obviously not.

We will see how loyal fans are if all the big names go. Rangers will have to play a weak team in meaningless matches and may get beat every week from now until the end of the season.

I fear the fans will desert in droves and RFC will run out of cash and be liquidated.

Start a fund and start buying up all the empty seats, thats loyalty.

05 Mar 2012 17:21:05
Discussions still ongoing according to SLY sports. Possible statement or press call and still hope of an agreement to stop any redundancies with a pay cut structure. 17.15.

Bluebear

Players have rejected pay cuts..looks like d&p will just go in heavy handed

I expected the admin guys to move straight in and clear people out as they did at Dundee.But it seems that they have let the players dictate the terms and the pace which has good and bad points....but still costs us more cash. I'm happy for them to make a decisions cause at least then we will have some news instead of constant stalling...all I want is for my team to continue...let's hope we get an answer tomo.

Bluebear

05 Mar 2012 16:41:27
John Yorkston DFC agrees a deal with RFC.
'The SPL champions had owed Dunfermline £85,000 in ticket debt from the clubs' meeting on 11th February, but Yorkston has now accepted a payment plan.
Yorkston said: "Rangers have updated us. Dunfermline are quite happy with our discussions with the administrators.
"We have come to an agreement with them. They are happy and we are happy, but there is not an immediate fix."
Iam Legend

There goes part of year 5 season tickets

The administrator can not agree to pay Dunfermline, they are not a preferred creditor and their debt must be included in the CVA.

This is misinformation.

Maybe Dunfermline have agreed a groundshare with Rangers instead of the debt with the Newco paying the money back as rent at East End Park.

I know s*y can make mistakes but it's on their site.
Iam Legend

Disgrace, Dunfermline deserve to be paid what they are owed. I am a Gers fan and this whole situation totally and utter disgusts me. We are a total and utter bloody farce of a club with no chance whatsoever of ever coming back from this...

Rangers done the right thing and payed dunfermile via the admistrators rangers will pay what we owe to other clubs that you will find out in due course dont you not think the club and fans feel bad enough about this

How can 'The SPL chanpions' pay anyone ! The Administators are in charge and cannot agree payments to creditors until they have the CVA in place. If they "agree" to pay Dunfrmline, where does that leave Dundee Unt / Hearts etc etc etc Not to mention HMRC ! This is guff talk ! Administrators are fluffing thigs up to look good.

05 Mar 2012 15:13:43
In addition to the SFA enquiry into Rangers, the SPL have just announced that they are opening an enquiry into Ranger's payments to players.

If tax laws have been breached in an illegal way. Then this is not on?

How bad can this get.............David Murray,what have you done??

About time! What took so long?
Needed prompting?

We have nothing to hide. Players needed to be paid. We gave them money. End of story.

05 Mar 2012 14:42:29
If its true ally's giving up that amount then he is being paid too much anyway for the job he's doing. And these two admin guys are taking gers to the cleaners if they're getting £600 an hour each.(£24000 a week each). They don't seem to be doing their job in saving gers money and are starting to hang around like a bad smell.

They are paid a retainer for the task not hourly

On the face of it the administrators seem to be doing a good job so far.

And do you not think you were paying too much to watch that rubbish on Saturday

There are not 2 administrators working on this case there are 8 of them working on this case so the cost of them being here is running at around �70k a week

WG

Their job is not to save RFC money, it is to raise the most money for the creditors.
If Rangers can be sold as a going concern for more than its breakdown value then a CVA and a sale will take place, but only if the administrators have enough working capital to avoid instant liquidation.
The minute RFC runs out of hard cash it goes into liquidation, there is no alternative, administrators can not borrow money.

There are in total eight people working within the administrator area of the club so god knows what the total bill will be,because they will be guaranteed their wages,no doubt at the expense of some staff within the club.

Cannae understand why they huvnae ripped up the season books and asked us to pay at the gate. could raise a load o cash by season's end. somethin else is goin on here mark my wurdz

Ripping season tickets up is illegal, I do not think more illegality is going to help.

Get used to the smell, they will be there for 3-4 months, simple maths, they want 1 million per month cuts and need 4.3 million in total savings=4 months.

The sun reported Ally gave up all one million forty thousand per year.

That's far too much for an inexperienced rookie who hasn't cut the mustard, no wonder we're in the state we find ourselves.

05 Mar 2012 14:30:20
The rangers playet are threating to walkout in mass if defferal not met,but mcgregor n 7 others rebelling n wunting out their will be no announcment today

Doubt it. mass walkout equals instant liquidation

And you heard this cause you were standing in murray park as part of this meeting..total mince pal..get a grip

Defferal is not an option, you are increasing debt not reducing it.

As mad as this one sounds.....
They are all still there arguing the toss about how much who when? Players using their leverage to bend the admin to their thinking.... Methinks admin fooling along (it's their kind of game) come 2am 15 get sacked......London city finance men have a great laugh at up here....

05 Mar 2012 13:40:14
Change of subject here bears.

Hypothetical question.

Would you have given up 9IAR, the run to UEFA cup final, players like Laudrup, Gazza, Hately, Ferguson, Prso, De Boer ect, ect and our record breaking domestic league titles for financial stability NOW??

I heard Keys and Gray on talksport asking a similar question to a former Pompey owner regarding their FA Cup triumph n he believes the fans would say NO. What's your thoughts??

J1985

Hard question, but no. All those years of glory, watching players such as Gazza and Laudrup, plus the added glory of pumping the mhanky lot every year was worth it. I dont believe Rangers will go into liquidation, or be allowed to either.

Hell of a good question!

That is not the full question. You forgot to add whether corruption and fraud are acceptable.

Easy reply NO.....take the good with the bad.

Bluebear

NO CHANCE , im so happy to have seen all the great players at ibrox, somthing celtic will never have lol ... jsm

The answer must be yes as you will probably lose some of the accolades

Greatest players eh, not great enough to win the Big cup but.

Aye jsm, when you win the big cup, come back and let us know.

The answer is a resounding "NO"! The 9IAR years were good times, and i got to witness them. Unlike the majority of the other mob's supporters, who can only rely on their grandparents stories. lol. And to any "jungles" who worry about them been taken from us, well we were there, we witnessed them, and you cannot take away memories. Think about it "Timothy" - If Celtic had gone bust prior to "The wee man in a bunnet" Would that stop you's from saying you were the first british club to win the european cup? - No' didn't think so!

I would give up all these to regain the dignity and honour for RFC. I am the fourth generation of my family to follow, I do it because my forebears did it, I do it as a big part of who I am and to celebrate my heritage. I do it because until now it gave me a sense of well being and honour. At this point in time I am ashamed that people like Murray and Whyte were allowed anywhere near this club.

No chance - i remember watching the de boers for barca and thinking i wish they played for rangers and when that happened i was ecstatic. Or watching dado prso in the champions league semi final - sublime,single handedly took monaco to the final. next season he was wearing royal blue. watching gazza card the ref - hilarious, but he was a genious. all those battling performances that took us to the uefa cup final - moments that wont be forgotten and couldnt be given up...................not even for 100m



ryanrfc

Is there proof rangers cheated to win honours? or just paper talk? i've not heard anyone in authority say honours will be taken away.

My first game at Ibrox was against Leeds in the "battle of Britian". At the time i never really appreciated the occassion. I was only 6. But looking back seeing a Rangers side including scots like McCoist, Gough, McCall, Durrant and Goram beat the best England had to offer is up there with my fav memory. Charlie millers cross for Laudrup at Tannadice to clinch 9IAR, Gazza's hat trick for 8IAR, Prso's winner against Porto 3-2 at Ibrox, that night in Lyon, Penalties against Fiorentina, Walters last title as manager.......Your right, the memories are priceless. Let's hope we make 1000's more bears!!

J1985

I'd rather all the great players, trophies, cups and history than win one cup against a few mince teams and one good team
EKger

You can take our money but you can not take our memories.it was great, BLUE PETE.

The day we beat dumfermline 6-1 to win the title and win the title by 1 goal

never been closer.

ill have 1 helicopter sundae please


ryanrfc

9iar looks de-valued now after all the cheating going on at ibrox,any way you will always have your dvds to watch while the mighty celtic are winning 20 in a row,its great being a tim and winning the honest way.enjoy your last few games.

No
because we will get financial stabilty

Completely disgraceful responses barring one honourable response from a mature grown up and decent fellow. How can you even contemplate endorsing this outrageous behaviour, corruption and cheating? It appears as long as the prize is big enough you guys would do anything to win. That would make the rest of us Scottish football fans ( including Celtic fans who never went bust) paranoid and believing in conspiracies though wouldn't it!! Sopot Celt

Interesting to see how many were happy to cheat and go bust now rather than play fair. Tells you a lot about the mentality of the support. To Ally McCoist: This is why many are happy to kick Rangers when they are down. Because they deserve it.

Rangers are bigger than any of this. Whatever it takes for us to survive must be done.Would I give up those great times for the future of our great club...dont think I will have to. Yes maybe for a couple of years the manky mob will feel great as they win the league against a club that is on its knees.But we will be back and we will be stronger.So enjoy all the hollow titles while they can as we will be back. Would I give up the history that happened....no because I dont have to....Celtic can only dream of having the quality players we had

I suppose it just means we are football supporters who pay to watch our team , there are very few fans who know what goes on behind the closed doors of their club,I would love to have a look at the life of some of these paragons that come on this site spewing there everybody must pay there fair share of taxes nonsense , every club playing football employs accountants to minimise their tax liability and once you have done this you need to trust them or what is the point in paying them.

Cheating??!!

should be on the crest of selik football club. cheated....never defeated eh?!! get over it. we used ebts, not the only ones to do so, and we're paying the price now. david murray chased a dream....a dream he nearly realised in 92, tried again when he brought in advocaat n failed but we as rangers fans have seen laudrup, gazza, de boer, prso...world cup winner stephan guivarch, world cup golden boot winner oleg salenko....the list goes on.....we have been privelaged to see such players n no matter how much s***e you lot throw at us it will mean zero. as the song goes "no one likes us....we dont care".
j1985

It was amazing but tbh i would rather have a future than a past.

Well no the rest of the football world will know what a cheating lying bunch that you are, if you are found guilty and you lose all of titles and cups that you won during this period. What will history SAY then. Then when the rest of the teams in Scottish football sue for loss of revenue during this period, it will be goodbye RANGERS. Why doe you not do the hounorable thing and just die as a club? OH sorry RANGERS dont do HOUNARABLE.

Celtic dont need to dream of having 'quality players' like rangers 'bought'. we had simpson, craig, gemmell,murdoch, mcneil and clark. johnstone, wallace, chalmers auld and lennox. they won THE LOT and cost 30 grand between them. 1967 celtic fc won every competition the club entered. dream about that as you follow on to oblivion.

Love it!! wondered how long until 67 was cast up. im no denying those players you mentioned weren't good but the european cup back then was hardly like the champions league is now is it?? as for loss of earnings....you lot just love a claim dont yeez?! hardly believe any court in the world would award damages to any club on hypothetical circumstances do you? aww judge if hearts wuda finished second that season n got a crack at the cl we'd av made the semis at least, a bita luck we'd av won it......how much we due then?? ehhhh nante pal jog on. see what im sayin here!!!
j1985

Oleg salenko lol prso lol not exactly football greats,i will give you gazza laudrup and i would say hately van bronckhurst.as for celtic can only dream of these players maybe yes because we never spent money we never had,but still had great players like johnstone,larrson,mcgrain,nicholas,dalglish the list goes on and our history entact,as the song goes if you know your history.

Here is the bottom line.
If our trophies are tainted due to financial irregularities then they were not worth winning. Especially disappointing because we quite probably would have won most of them anyway.

U r rite about 67 not being the Champions League but you cannot deny we still easily deserved to win it - and by the way Rangers were a top team in Europe then as well, and this is from a Tim.
How far the mighty have fallen!

My point about salenko was he was a golden boot winner in a world cup n thats the type of player we brought in....never said he was a great. as for homegrown talent.....by a country mile the best player scotland have produced in around 15 years.....barry ferguson. we've had cooper, baxter, greig ect,ect in the past. so when it comes to producing players then both clubs are on a par imo.
as for 67 im at the windup pal. a great achievement for selik n id be as proud if the rangers won it back then. just a wee bit of teasing.
j1985

05 Mar 2012 12:49:58
The BBC understands that Rangers players and the club's administrators are discussing a new series of structured cuts which could result in no immediate redundancies. Good news! Must be a buyer lined up. Happy days!

Look at this another way. A date has been set of 16th March for someone to come forward and rescue the club. The wording is no immediate redundancies - i.e. if no one comes forward with wads of cash everyone will be redundant - Not so happy days. Let's wait for the press conference

Fantastic that the players have come through again. their must be a buyer lined up for 16 March with deep pockets. champions in waiting

This is clearly good news. The admin are working on a month by month basis rather than cutting all around them quickly. This indicates that there are buyers out there and interested. Here's hoping!

How are you making the jump from wage cuts to having a buyer lined up!

Mind and put a tooth under your pillow tonight,for the tooth fairy.you are now willing to believe anything,W.W.T.P.

I love the frantic optimism of the 1st poster. Even if there are no redundancies then Rangers still face weeks/months of uncertainty ahead.

It's like saying "I can't afford the payments on my mortgage. Still, the bank aren't going to repossess my house for another 2 weeks, so happy days!".

Happy Days what about the big tax bill ya rocket !!!

The administrators have to do what's best in the Creditors interests. This allows the club to limp on for another month, possibly allows them to ask for special dispensation to sell McGregor and Naismith etc. It also allows extra time to try and get the �3.6M from Whyte. This is just stalling for more time.

It is going to take months to sort out debt and asset values, RFC can not trade for months without reducing ovrheads by 1 million per month. If they can achieve these savings then it gives the administrators the time to arrange CVA and sell club as a going concern. No buyer with a brain cell is going to pay a single dime for RFC without knowing its liabilities and assets. The biggest threat to RFC is working capital, administrators can not borrow money and must operate within the cash constraints of the business. Cut costs now and save RFC is the only option, regardless of any parties interest on March 16th.

One option was all players taking 75% salary cuts. To allow only minority 75% with most on 50% and 25% sounds a major concession to what is obviously required. Also unfair on the higher paid and where do they draw the lines. Hopefully Ally SPFA have not saved players for a month at expense of the other 130 staff at Ibrox. The sums just don't add up now and it brings the possibility of liquidation even closer as the money runs out.

Sorry to dampen your spirits but have it from good source (business friend of Mr Murray) that there are a group of investors standing in waiting but will not be moving until club goes into liquidation. My business friend tells me that this plan has been in place for the last 2 years at least and that Whyte is only the pawn in front of the king and bishops who have masterminded this!

Really business friend of DM ..I was just having a round of golf with Donald Trump when your mince story popped up I nearly chipped intae the rough...jog on...

Bluebear

Dampen spirits: I think your right. Bluffers and skelps cynically toying with players and their wags. Knowing the big picture and how this runs the cash out earlier to Liquidation. This is this administrators highest profile case and they are a) milking it and b) playing to the media. They are of course Murrays men not Whytes. We were told the Edinburgh high court judge broke admin regulations when appointing these guys through Whyte.

Happy days ? There will be no "happy days" for a wee while yet I fear.

Get a grip folks everybody is grasping at straws let just wait and see what happens today for what a can see is the men who said they would die for the jersey are the ones that are holding things up ..kenny bluenose

Looks more and more likely club will be wound up and form as a Newco. Club will limp on for 1 month, other SPL debts will be settled and then Newco will ask for readmission into the SPL for the good of all other SPL clubs and Scottish Football. The stories of trophys being auctioned is not make believe - Rangers need to buy goodwill and paying debts to other SPL clubs is urgently required before the plug gets pulled.

Correct. All SPL debts settled then brown envelopes to get 90% acceptance back into SPL. I'm emigrating....the SPL 's a fix!

I think its too early for any happy days comments. we are far from out of this. i'm still unsure whether the stalling is a positive or a negative tbh.

The players have said they will take the cut for 1 month only...that means that next month they will have to find even more cuts to keep the club afloat. You are losing �1million pounds a month as a club, irrespective of who buys the club, if anyone, Rangers are losing �1million a month and that will have to be addressed. Rangers are now being investigated by the SPL for payments made to players, so never mind the money, you could be looking at relegation as well. The whole club is in a mess and there will be no white or blue knight riding to the rescue. There is more to come form this shambles and you nwo what, it is nobody else's fault. This was down to financial mismanagement by David Murray, not Craig Whyte, he just did what any sensible businessman would do, tried to protect his investment. David Murray was the one who took the club to this and he is the one you should all be asking to explain. A long lomg road to recovery if liquidation is prevented, if not then there will be relegation becasue of the breach or rules, oh aye and dont forget all the tainted titles that will be taken away, no more 5 stars on the shirt.....

Haha how the hell does that mean there is a buyer lined up. Clutching at straws here. No1 wanted the club when sdm wanted out and no1 wants it now. Face it there is just to much to settle before a new owner can concentrate on the team. Rangers will be liquidated.

If a new club was to be formed, why would we want to rejoin the SPL or Scottish football, surely this would be the ideal opportunity to join the English league and have a plan of being EPL club within 10years.

'Stalling' is a misnomer dear boy. It suggests extending a deadline whereas here it means bringing forth Liquidation sooner.

2 options: 1) Liquidation. History exterminated.... By daleks in green hoops? And recovery in div3 and many years.
2) come out of admin face investigations and legal issues and take 5 years to pay Ticketus and 100 years to pay HM The Queen.

Happy days ?

As a Gers well wisher this comment is beyond belief and staggers the imagination.

There will be no sale until there is a CVA in place and this will take 3 months. Cost cuttings of a million per month MAY allow trading to continue long enough for either of these things to happen.

All it will take is one poor attendance at Ibrox and liquidation is automatic, the administrator has no power to borrow money.

As it stands there is about a 50-50 chance of either sale or iquidation.

If liquidation is not to be the outcome, why is there such a delay in cost cutting exercises. Get your head out of the sand mr bluebear, the mighty gers are about to become extinct and you can then support your local team in Edinburgh!

I takes time to unravel a can of worms, formulate a business rescue plan, work out the monthly losses, and realise the 3.6 million is contested.

Now they know the costs to be cut and they know the working capital they have to work with.
Only now do they have the information to make any decisions on redundancies.

05 Mar 2012 12:42:26
as said earlier "The administrators of Portsmouth and Rangers are in talks about a friendly match to raise funds for the cash-strapped pair. The Scottish champions went into administration on 14 February, with Pompey following them into bankruptcy protection three days later. Portsmouth's administrator Trevor Birch contacted his counterparts at Rangers last week and both parties are now looking at costs and logistics to see if it could work." Source b8c

It should be a yearly competition - sponsored by Costcutters! (Nit a celtic supporter btw)

Ha - that will raise abbout 20p

Yes you could both play for the Administrators Trophy!

Winning it disqualifies you from Euroe automatically. Still not a celtic fan btw)(

05 Mar 2012 12:18:34
hey bears anyone any idea when anything is going to be announced today? seen that mcCULLOCH has offerd to play for free and ally is willing to give up half a million to help save our club. this is great news i hope that rangers players turn around and follow the foot steps. personally i think davis will go and papac will leave same with bigfoot wwhich in my eyes wouldnt be a bad thing i for one would like to see drift-wood leave obviously not davis or papacSW

05 Mar 2012 12:05:14
Admin to pay Dunfermilne in full. The right thing to do.

05 Mar 2012 10:13:45
Does anyone know if there will be a live press conference today?

Yes don't no time yet just wait like the rest of us are doing

Ok mate cheers

There should be news coming out about 1-2pm this afternoon.

Hopefully so we can find out what is happening ..kenny bluenose

The A8 at Ibrox closed as the press conference is at 1:30pm! Players all now know who is going and who is staying. My brother who play's for reserves has been let go. Only 3 first team regulars have gone! Though my brother has been told by his agent and Rangers officials that they will both do their best to find new clubs for the players made redundant. No mention of non playing staff yet though!

Yea apparently there is on ssn

gersman

05 Mar 2012 03:25:56
I heard there was a communication sent from DU's Thomson to RFC... Hence McCoist's comments. Ally has remained tight lipped to avoid playing into the media's hands and is not willing to lower himself in our hours of need. True or not, I will not be at Tannadice!

Did they cc you in on the email,I heard you are talking pish! and by the way Ally has lowered himself, he is blaming everyone in sight apart from the man who picks the team

Why dont we all go and stand outside. Then collect the gate money from the fans ,then give it directly to the admin. The Bears still gettin the money and plenty noise outside.

Attempt to justify the unjustifiable you will find true fans follow where ever a team go and especially dont let the fact that a team used to have hibernian at the end of thier name matter

It wasn't Hibernian they had at the end of their name it was Harp.

We owe United money and we boycott them?! Some boys need tae get their heids switched on FFS

Nope its hibernian ,harp are a dundee junior side

Dundee United Football Club is a Scottish professional football club located in the city of Dundee. Formed in 1909, originally as Dundee Hibernian SO IT WAS NOT HARP AS you say previuos poster was correct !

Utd were Dundee Hibs unitl 1923 and were set up by the catholic pop of dundee, dundee then had a large irish community but dundee hibs were going bust and were bought over by dundee business men therefore ending the clubs assocation with the irish community then nearly 100 years ago. Dundee united is now followed by all

Dundee United were definitely Dundee Hibernian. Of course the club was formed because people from a certain ethnic group were often excluded from playing for Dundee FC; but that's all history now and we needn't get excited or paranoid about that kind of bigotry in modern Scotland. Sopot Celt

04 Mar 2012 23:44:31
Rangers losing 8 players. 2morro bad times ahead.royalflush