Rangers Rumours Archive July 05 2012

05 Jul 2012 18:41:06
Hi Fellow Bears, don't know if any1 has posted anything regarding this situation but I wanted to let u all know that Ian Black has signed for Rangers on the conditions that we go no lower than the division 1. Any lower than division 1 and the contract would be scrapped.

Source: his godfather Kenny who I currently work with.

So, before u start saying its nonsense, this is fact!

Deeko Bear 86

He has not signed a conditional contract, but there is a verbal agreement in place.

Mac2.

Thats true mate cause if you go to wiki and look at the squad he's in it, but see tbh i see the contract will be scrapped cause it looks like were going to the 3rd div witch is the best thing for gers right now. watp {Ed039's Note - Wiki is not always an accurate reference )

Why are folk hitting the disagree option?? I hope the same ones that are doing this will eat a huge slice of humble pie when this is announced because this is 100%

Deeko Bear 86

7 hours of rumours with no posts .... Is there an embargo on?? {Ed039's Note - The eds have jobs and commitments as well, the sites are updated as often as possible)

Yeh, thanks for your 'fact' fellow bear. But this has already been stated in the rumours/news/websites etc for the last few days, so don't think anyone will slate you?!

More conditions ?u either want to sign or u dont ur not that good .

Deeko bear 86 r u still walkin the beat?,.,.kbarry

Scraping the barrel with this guy.did the rangers fans not start a hate campaign on this guy when he injured jelavic.short memories!

Does godfathers surname begin McC ? ..was a promising player himself many moons ago.

Good rumour but Ian Blacks godfathers called Alan Wallace and works for BAE in Glasgow along with Ian Blacks faither John. Dont know who kenny is........?

Madrab

Ian Blacks dad also Ian played for Hearts and Hibs !

Madrab

That's funny bercause Ian Black JUNIORS' fathers name is............ Ian Black SENIOR!

Blackies fathers name imaginatively Ian senior

Source-His birth certificate

Ohhh and he works in Edinburgh

Ian Black's god-father is called Kenny, it's Kenny McLeod who was on the books of Hearts before injury ended his career. His godmother is Kenny's wife Catherine who worked with Ian'Black's grandmother.

The guy black will fit in well, all he is, is a third divison player at best!! keep the faith!

05 Jul 2012 17:11:16
Beattie has delayed signing talks elswhere to speak to Ally and convince him that he is 100% fit, Coisty rates him, but needs him to play a full season.
The big guy is burstin' to be a Ger, in any division, you can't knock that, get him on board.

If Beattie signs we should go after Fulton, Milroy and Baxter. Maybe then we could have a proper Pantomime.

Clem Ashby

We don't need an Ex one of them to help us out {Ed039's Note - He is also an ex one of us, ex rangers youth)

I'd defo take him!
Could be another Boyd for us!

Hi clem get on your hoss and ride into the sunset doug t.s.o

'We dont need one of them to help us out' oh my god im back in the 70s VEGIEBHOY

He's a bluenose through and through tho whether he played for them or not

Beattie will be looking for some wages, that could be a stumbling block !

So why is he having talks 'elsewhere' if hes so anxious to sign for Newco ?

Another boyd no thanks for all the talk he scored once against them (and that was offside) lazy men not needed in our situation

05 Jul 2012 16:05:13
Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps said today: "We have written to all shareholders of The Rangers Football Club plc (in administration) to provide notice of a general meeting of the company to be held at Ibrox Stadium on July 31.

"The resolution to be put forward at that meeting is to change the name of the company to "RFC 2012 plc" and there will be no other business on the day.

Rangers are in the process of liquidation thay do have to have an EGM to formally close RFC they could then have another EGM for NEWCO at moment no shareholders of other old or new company.

Who are the shareholders now that the old club is bust

The same shareholders that there were before they went bust I'd imagine... Just that their shares are now effectively worthless.

The oldco hasnt been liquidated yet, so the shareholders are the same as before. When they vote through the name change, Sevco Scotland Ltd will simultaneously change their name to The Rangers FC Ltd. This is all clearly explained on the official Rangers website.

Green bought Whyte's shares but I think there was a clawback clause if the CVA failed. In which case the shares are Whyte's again. 85% of them anyway.

05 Jul 2012 14:19:38
SFL meeting on where Rangers Newco will play next season will now be held on Tuesday 10th July. (BBC)

There is no doubt in my mind that the new club will start in division 1. A question I have is if we still have our history intact can further sanctions be levied against the club because of the EBT's and what about the appellate tribunal, does it apply to the new club?

Your history is at an end mate. Get used to it. Whatever emerges is a new team.........whats causng the problem is it the 'new' or the 'team' ?
Your history as a new team starts now. How exciting............today is the first day of the rest of your life.

We do not have any history mate, we are a new company, the next trophy we win, will be our first! The Rangers we know, is now gone and the history stays with that club! just the same as Third Lanark, and Clydebank, and Gretna to name but a few! But here's to a good night out on our first trophy win!

How can a NEWCO have a history. perhaps some good memories but no more>

FFS get a grip its embarrassing IT'S A NEWCO duh!! That means new. No titles no history no debt. NEW!! jeez some people

Yep its the sfa thats demanding the newco except all sanctions for old co or no licence

Your history is not intact. Delusional fans like you really irritate me. Get it through your head that rangers are dead. Everything stops with the old club. The debt the history everything. Newco has no debt and no honours yet.

Sanctions must apply to a newco that starts in div 1 by definition as how else can just any newco start in div 1

In div 3 you can argue sanctions only apply to oldco.

Simples or we let any newco into div1 and clubs in div. 2 and 3 are irrelevant??

Utter s**t from a tit! If that is so, may I ask what you are doing showing an interest in this site? As it is clearly named after a club that is, in your opinion, defunct.

Your history is not intact. Delusional fans like you really irritate me. Get it through your head that rangers are dead. Everything stops with the old club. The debt the history everything. Newco has no debt and no honours yet.

Correct mate! Except our history is not dead! That is the point of history! The past, previous, it stands...history! And the fact of that history is that no matter how hard Celtic try, they will never catch up, overtake, nor beat out history... Of titles etc in direct competition FACT! Cos as u say, it doesn't exist anymore. So, enjoy trying to rack up history with Ross County, St.Mirren, Killie, Well, hearts et al! As much fun to watch for us mate.

Your history is at an end mate. Get used to it. Whatever emerges is a new team.........whats causng the problem is it the 'new' or the 'team' ?
Your history as a new team starts now. How exciting............today is the first day of the rest of your life.

And how exciting for u too! Cos the rest of ur life starts again too! No more old firm history and now can't beat the league titles total with rangers in the league, so really means nothing that great to speak of?! At best case u may get a mention in the guiness book of records, should u actually overtake the rangers title record, but the footnote will inevitably read 'years 2013-2016 titles won in the absence of Rangers (world record holders) from the league. With possibly a little asterisk? Impressive indeed! :-)

I know its hard to take fellow bears anything we win from now on will be for the newco or sevco or whatever the club is called in the future this is still to be resolved the old rangers fc history is in the history books but wont continue for the new rangers ed what will the club be called any ideas ?

Oh yea we are a new co without a history that much is true, But did I not read that
Mr G was running about trying to borrow �2.5 million last week just till season ticket money comes in?. if that is true it might be the case that we have Debt before we even have a team or a league to play in, Sounds like a great plan.

New company not new FFS people need to get a grip read up on teams the same thing has happened too. LEEDS UTD, DIFFERENT COMPANY SAME CLUB SAME HISTORY!!!, the tims will forever be in our shadow. Rangers were around before the company was, and the company may have changed but Rangers will continue! GIRFUY

Uefa will step inas in la liga if newco tries to enter div 1....

Why o why does sfa go this route when we know it's not allowed,!,,,

Only delays unnecessarily

Why should the Newco accept any sanctions. if they were the fault of the old Rangers.

you want to say no history on one hand then punish newco for things that might have happend in the past. Make your mind up. you can't have it both ways.

This is not our history it's just history, on the bright side we are the only undefeated professional football team in the country - Jaxie

Hibby here
The history of Rangers will show that they went through a period of financial mismanagement wich resulted in liquidation. That they re emerged to continue as a football club playing wherever the corrupt powers that be say they should play.
That is the history that has led to a new company therefore includes the new company.

If our history is lost then surely any punishments levied against the oldco cannot be transffered to the newco. you cannot expect to take the bad history but leave the good! before anybody slates me I agree that as a newco we have no history and start afresh!

Its not bloody rocket science, there is no way any team in the league will allow new rangers straight into div 1 without sanctions, as after 1 year we would be in spl with no debt and assets worth �60m + its not a conspiracy or scheming clubs , or anything else, its just fairness stop all the watp pish support the team and get on with it ffs!

What a petty argument, i wonder how many scots fans of any teams have had a moan at the english about 1966.

05 Jul 2012 11:05:39
Dual contracts was also discussed at the SPL meeting yesterday. Appears it was on hold pending SPL membership decision. They have now decided to proceed to the next stage of the dual contracts process whatever that is. I fear there may be some retrospective sanctions still to come against Oldco titles and/or TRFC will find themselves with more conditional penalties in D1 or D3. Will this ever end!

Source: Radio Clyde

It will end when the powers that be have dealt with all the allegations.

You might not see it that way just now but this is a good thing.

After all when all allegations are fully investigated your club can move on without any fear of new revelations dragging them back down as they try to climb back to the top - Randolph

As I keep reminding fans on here , Liverpool have never asked for The FA Cup back after being beaten by Wimbledon , the dirty franchise MK D***s took the FA Cup from Wimbledon after the demise of Wimbledon FC and displayed it as theirs in M Keynes, however after a long struggle the English FA rightly returned the Cup to WimbledonFC s new home with AFC Wimbledon , and 9 years from playing in a public park after being founded by fans and climbing through the pyramid, AFC Wimbledon are back in Leauge Football in Division 2. Wimbnledon FC are no more , yet the FA Cup was never thought as now the property of Liverpool , who were runners up that year. The dark side and others who claim sporting integrity should realise that the best 11 players on the day won , whenever it occurred , get on with it , accept it , the titles were won by Rangers players , playing for Rangers. Our history cannot be replaced or re-written- its fact ! And "The Rangers" will always be "The Rangers" ,true fans know this and will follow the team.

Rubbish the spl enquiry wasnt posponed it was dependant on rangers share being transfered.

no share transfer = dead enquiry

People are quick enough to tell us that our club has been liquidated.....finito!

But as soon as crimes associated with the "old" club come up they want us a supposed "New" club to be held accountable for them!

Tells me all i need to know!

Thats a fact in your dreams because the rangers you speak about are resigned to history. the club you now claim to support have no history or achievments to its name and that is a FACT please realise that

Big difference - between wimbledon going bust - and rangers having dual contracts and going bust!

If you have one unregistered player that 0-3 immediately when they find about the unregistered player, dual contracts if they exist would be the biggest unregistered scandal ever!

Were Wimbledon playing ineligble players in that competition though? I am not aware they broke any rules.

Not at all the histroy of rangers football club started well before the spl and will continue afterwards.

its only the spl share that didnt transfer , the sfa will, which is why the sfa punishment will transfer and the spl's cant.

by voting to not transfer the share the spl ended the duel contracts enquiry

Is that 0 3 rule in the spl handbook or is it another one theyve still to make up

Why dont you get your facts right, mk dons never withheld trophies from afc wimbledon. the trophies and history were returned to the london borough of merton which is were wimbledon is located. afc wimbledon dont actually play in wimbledon. this was done as a gesture of goodwill not through some sanction from the FA.

Does the spl have any powers now over newco rangers ? I think not !! they have been refused membership to spl, they are not an spl club therefore any actions against newco can only come from sfa or sfl if they accept us,

@ "does the SPL have any powers..."

If you have read any of my previous posts on here (normally lengthy in nature, lol) you will know I am a Rangers fan but I do try to consider things objectively with my blinkers off on most occasions. I am not saying you don't BTW and you do raise a very valid point as to why these sanctions should even apply at all once the liquidation process is completed in a few weeks time and Rangers officially no longer exist but this isn't an easy situation for anyone involved.

In my opinion they could quite easily conclude the outstanding investigations anyway and apply any punishment they deem appropriate as a condition of future re-entry into the top league. We could then spend three or more years trying to get back there and find ourselves facing sanctions once we do. Again not in the rules but no other club has been faced with the scenario of dual contracts before and since there is no precedent they can more or less do what they like, it is their league.

It is unlikely in my opinion given their desire to get us/sevco (it will always remain Rangers to the Rangers fans, hence us) back there as soon as possible but suspended sanctions would certainly be an avenue open to them that they could pursue if they chose to in relation to our (still alleged) EBT/Dual Contract abuses. Particularly if they do somehow wangle us into the First Division and Green foolishly agrees to the attached conditions.

Nothing is straightforward or black and white at the minute and feelings are obviously running high. We may also end up putting some of these clubs out of business (at least they will view it that way) and we will almost definitely have a major impact on the league's future income so, whether in the rules or not, it would not surprise me if that happened.

Personally, I don't think any future, or current, sanctions should apply to a brand new club with no history and new owners who were not associated with the old regime (even Green Jhedi from the Celtic page thinks that no sanctions should be faced by the Newco as it immoral - but only if we start off in the 3rd) but this has caused such controversy and made Scottish football such a world wide laughing stock that they may have no alternative in their eyes but to punish the 'newco' for Rangers misdemeanours since the 'oldco' will no longer be around and something has to be seen to be done in terms of a future deterrent.

Brian

The SFA may indeed decide that in reality the demise to Div3 indicate a brand new start. I believe such an attitude would be reasonably defended. I feel that an agreement with Rapid Vienna would have to be reach however to avoid EUFA sanctions. A ban given to Rangers in the event of Rapids complaint would only kick in after Rangers were compliant and qualified to participate in EUFA competitions.

Im a celtic fan and I agree if you begin in div 3 there should be no more sanctions, I think they would only have been in place if you were allowed into spl or div 1, as newco would have virtually no debt and straight into top league within a year.
This is what every other club supporters dont want, and its not anti rangers, just fairness & common sense.

04 Jul 2012 23:14:16
PFA Scotland say the Scottish FA has "rejected to issue the registration for one of our clients to an English Premier League club".

Three players who were contracted to Rangers FC plc and rejected a transfer to the Rangers newco have agreed moves to top flight clubs in England.

The players can get a temporary registration while the issue is ruled upon by Fifa.
The union say Rangers "deliberately" misrepresented the contract situation.

The club's chief executive Charles Green wrote to all English clubs warning that the players who objected to the transfer of their contracts to his Rangers newco were in breach of contract and he has vowed to Green to fight for transfer money.

But PFA Scotland's lawyer Margaret Gribbon said: "I have sent a detailed letter to the clubs setting out the facts and repeating our very firm legal view that Mr Green's allegations of breach of contract are entirely without legal merit.

"My clients are free agents."

Everton announced that they have signed Steven Naismith after Steven Whittaker and Jamie Ness agreed to join Norwich City and Stoke City respectively.

John Fleck has joined League One side Coventry, and the transfer of his registration is not in dispute while Kyle Lafferty has moved to Swiss club Sion.

Whilst it is accepted that newco is entitled to argue breach of contract, the players' union is dismayed that attempts are being made to prevent our members from playing professional football simply because they have exercised their legal right not to transfer to newco," said PFA Scotland chairman Tony Higgins on Tuesday.

"I haven't spoken to a single employment or sports solicitor who agrees with Mr Green's interpretation of the law.

"Our members are being advised by our employment specialists, Brian Napier QC and Wil Van Megen, head of legal department at FIFPro.

"We are supremely confident that, under TUPE and European Law on basic principles of freedom of movement, our members are entitled to sign for new clubs."

Scotland goalkeeper Allan McGregor, former Rangers captain Steven Davis, fellow midfielder Rhys McCabe, plus forward Sone Aluko have also all refused to have their contracts shifted.

COVENTRY City have completed the signing of John Fleck.

Coventry City recognised The Rangers Football Club's rights and have agreed a financial deal to sign the player that has been mutually agreed by all three parties.

Charles Green, Chief Executive of The Rangers Football Club, said: "Coventry City have acted in exactly the right way in the transfer of John Fleck to ensure that all three parties - both clubs and the player - are satisfied with the deal.

"We wish John and Coventry all the best for the new season."

Let them go showed there true colours not a rangers fan among them

Let these guys work at their trade for a fair days pay the same as the rest of us - move on.

They could have signed for newco and been sold for small fee help us out but no ran like rats of a sinking ship