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04 Dec 2012 19:06:19
CHARLES GREEN, Chief Executive of Rangers, has tonight issued the following statement.

He said: Rangers Football Club will not be taking its allocation of tickets for the forthcoming Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.

This is a unanimous decision by the board, senior management and staff at Ibrox. Everyone at this club is dismayed at the actions of certain SPL clubs, which were actively engaged in trying to harm Rangers when we were in a perilous situation and we are acutely aware of their attitude to us.

Not all clubs who voted against Rangers returning to the SPL fall into that category and indeed we made Motherwell very welcome when we played them at Ibrox in the League Cup competition recently.

However, feelings remain very raw and it should be no surprise that we as a club feel this way.

"It is unsurprising too that there has been a reaction from our supporters to this particular fixture.

The last thing we as a club want to do is to compromise security arrangements for any match.

"I therefore appeal to all fans not to travel to this match and to Dundee United not to sell tickets to Rangers supporters.

Our only regret is that this turn of events will not assist Ally McCoist and the team in what will be a very difficult fixture.

We should make clear that the Club, the manager and the players all look forward to a situation where Rangers fans attend every match to support the team. The fans are our greatest asset.

INFORMATION FOR SEASON TICKET HOLDERS/SUPPORTERS CLUBS

Rangers season ticket holders should note that their participation in the continuous credit card scheme and position in any subsequent ballots will be unaffected by this decision.

Similarly, supporters' clubs should note that their ticket grading will remain completely unaffected.

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We are still entitled to half the gate revenue as per cup rules

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Well done Green, spot on!

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It's pay back t
ime for the SPL club's how wanted to
hurt rangers as much as possible "what goes around comes around".hurt them where it counts.
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If it goes to a replay do we boycott that as well as dundee utd would be entitled to half the gate money

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If you don't want to play your part in in the cup ...fans included, exclude yourself form it

this boycott is another negative for the club no matter the reason why

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This is the most remarkable statement I have ever seen from a football club CEO ever.
This guy should leave Scotland now. He hasn't a clue and is clearly a desperate character out of his depth.

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Hopefully it becomes free for season ticket holders if it becomes a replay

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We do want to play in the oldest cup in world football, w just dont want other clubs to benefit from our fans.

You lot keep going on about us boycotting one away game, why arent you slaughtering your own fans who are boycotting your club at home?

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Well said Charles Green and unless they change to rules, YES, we are still entitled to our share of the gate, 42.5% to be exact. But then it's Rangers so F**K knows what the SMELLIC FA will do.

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Well done cg. good to see somebody who will stand up for rangers !!

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While i myself would have chosen not to go to tannadice there are many who never miss a game and would have gone, although it would probably have stuck in their throats. I feel it would have been better to leave it up to individuals.There is undoubdtedly good reason to feel aggreived with this club and others in the SPL but sooner or later we will have to start looking forward and let the game of football and supporting our club become our focus once again.Leave the agendas to the sad supporters of these clubs and help our club grow in strenghth and dish out our retribution on the fooball field in the coming years.

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Cg is just being silly.fans could tell him to jump into the river clyde and he would do it,just to get his hands on the share issue money.the abandoned game was nearly 3 years ago,fans were charged a small fee to cover policing and stewarding.yet supporters groups are using that excuse to boycott,if you all felt that strongly about it why didnt you all boycott tannidice the previous 2 seasons.why now?

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This is the most remarkable statement I have ever seen from a football club CEO ever.
This guy should leave Scotland now. He hasn't a clue and is clearly a desperate character out of his depth

it's what more than the majority of fans wanted and we are very pleased with the decision well done cg

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Hopefully it becomes free for season ticket holders if it becomes a replay.so do i because utd will get half the gate money which will make up for last years zilch.

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Disgraceful statement. A top flight game and it's venom and bile from the club that prides itself on its dignity. It's a sporting contest - refusing to take up the ticket allocation is shameful and hopefully most Rangers (football) fans will be embarrassed by this pathetic bully boy posturing.

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Sfa are paying Dundee utd for last season. They sent a letter to say so.

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CG is a salesman, he will do anything to keep the fans happy until after the share issue, it is a small minded gesture.

This man is bad for Rangers, bad for Scottish football and bad for Scotland.

I have this feeling this man would sell his granny for the right price, he may turn out to be more infamous than SDM or CW.

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In a way I can understand why he said this, keeps the chip on the shoulder for the siege mentality, on the other hand I can't understand why he would say it. Rangers fans will make up their own mind. Rangers fans have already shown their loyalty, no need for Green to hard sell. An officially backed boycott may have implications on the share of the gate. It may not but I'd think there would be an argument made which again will serve lawyers the most.

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Green is quite right on this occasion to decline the offer of tickets. The Rangers fans are overwhelming behind the boycott .... so why would Rangers take the tickets when their fans won't buy them ??

As Stephen Thomson famously said when Utd's fans were threatening not to renew their season tickets if he voted Rangers back into SPL "you've got to listen to your customers". Charles Green is only heeding Mr Thomson's advice !! How the tables have turned !! Ha ha ha.

WATP

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CG Played a blinder there!! IF Tanadice is still a sell out we get a share and if there fans stay away as some weird protest DU lose money and the game will be on tv.

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The decision was taken, I think, more for the avoidance of trouble then anything else. This tie is going to be a magnet for the supporters we'd rather werent going to games...

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Just though I would mention to the haddy on about Celtic fans boycotting home games!

The boycotts were for 2 games, and it was the green brigade! Not the other fans mate. We are not leaving our team out on the field without a support! 3 thousand odd fans not the rest! You are sending a young team out away from home against a team 3 divisions above you to get peltered without reply for 90 mins. To the hardened supporters around the world of all different clubs...this is the cardinal sin. It will only shine more bad light on your club.

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A pathetic statement from a bitter club. This is why Scottish football is failing - it's just a sport. If we can't enjoy football for the entertainment as it is intended, might as well call it a day.

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The only reason you guys are boycotting this fixture is because you don't want to see you're team getting knocked out of the 3rd cup competition you've entered this season, so much for winning everything you entered this season, Ramsden Cup, League Cup and soon the Scottish Cup will all be a memory, och well at least you're in with a good shout to win the league :)

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05 Dec 2012 08:57:13
Fans are feeling very strongly about it which i can understand. You can't ignore the fans. Stephen Thomson 8 june 2012. charles green agrees apparently.

DJ

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05 Dec 2012 10:04:10
I think the Celtic supporter above has hit the nail on the head, Yes, we shouldnt forget the clubs who tried to stick the boot in when we were in trouble, but to send a Rangers team, with lots of young players up there with no support is terrible. Individual fans can of course choose not to go if they feel that way and that is only right as they are as entitled to their opinion the same as the rest of us but for the chairman to come out and say that is extraordinary. When will this petty nonsense stop, the whole of Scottish football (currently a dead duck) is suffering in this fiasco, its about time these guys got a grip and tried to do something to save the plight of football in this country. If anything they could put a positive spin on it and some great rivalries could be formed that would get people passionate about the game again.

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If The rangers dont want their allocation thats fine but they should not get a share in the gate money. The oldco collapsed owing money to DU for the cup game last year,
DB77

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They should not get a share near should the few hundred that come to ibrox or parkhead teams get a share of 25000 at ibrox for cup games yet bring less then 1000 hardly fair is it i hope the sfa uphold the rules even if only 100 rangers fans turn up rules bein that we are entitled to our share of the ticket money see how these other teams feel

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Nice wan charles green we are a 100/% behind you on this one w.a.t.p r.t.i.d north ayrshire loyal

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Fair enough, CG is blaming Utd for everything thats happened, but by refusing to take up the tickets he is breaking a rule of the cup and bringing the game into disrepute by his actions. There will be no share of money from the gate and if he is not careful we could be removed from the competition without even playing the game.
Yes i don't like the chair at Utd, A boycot by supporters could have helped , but this official statement looks to be embarrassing again for us!

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All this bitterness needs to stop what if say hibs had went through wat rangers have would rangers have voted to allow them in the spl a bet they would have said no

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Was just looking at uefa website and noticed a point of intrest looking at fiorentina who have been liquidated and came back again yet uefa recognise them as the same team from when they formed same as parma will rangers be treated the same?

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To above fiorentina bought there history different laws in italy

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Sad day for our club boycotting this will come back and bite us

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When I heard this last night I just thought "pathetic" is this what Scottish football has become ? Even Richard Gough our former captain was against it, as he says its time to move on ! Anyway I'll be going to support the team.

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Well done Charles Green, this is what the majority of our fans wanted. I hope that Dundee Utd fans are defiant and turn up in their droves so we can benefit to the tune of 42.5% of the gate receipts ! Lets milk the small united cow as they have milked our might cash cow plenty over the years ! WATP - So its win win to the Gers. Thanks for your money United - after all us wee third division teams need hand outs for nothing, lol

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Payback starts now for every team who voted us out, Karma will come around, Hearts are going to the wall.

Who cares what shape scottish football is in, as long as we are top of the Sh*t heep.

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All the people moaning about this seem to forget that Dundee utd were one of the teams who were going to boycott THEIR OWN ground if Rangers got back into the Spl so its al-right for them to boycott their own ground but not for us to do it to them ...This is what you lot wanted ....This is what you lot voted for ..Sporting Integrity ..

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>Who cares what shape scottish football is in, as long as we are top of the Sh*t heep.

Mate is sport, not a war! its not about last man standing...... get a grip.

if only team in league you have no one to play with, is this the ultimate win ?

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Fiorentina had to pay all debts before they were allowed to buy back history.cant see cg paying oldcos debts. {The Ed039's Note - No they didnt, they bought the rights to use the name, crest, history, shirt design etc. The exact same thing Charles Green did with Rangers. Its called buying "goodwill")

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Ed039 - but green bought the history and goodwill for just £1. no-one thinks its only worth just that! Big different me thinks. {The Ed039's Note - I agree with you on the price, but the same thing happened none the less)

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Why even enter the cup if you dont want to play in it? {The Ed039's Note - Where does it say that nobody wanted to play in it?)

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Respect to Celtic, Respect to Glasgow, Respect to Scotland.

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Fiorentina didnt pay there debts they played under a different name then were allowed to buy everythin a believe the same happened with parma surely this rule of buyin back everythin should exist throughout football not just italy which would mean rangers are the same team

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Well done CG. Right decision and good statement which reflects what all real rangers fans ar feeling. Dundee Utd were desperate to get us out the league and Thompson would have gladly seen us die. We won't just forget.

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Well me and my other 26 celtic supporting friends will be at tannadice ive heard there will be a few other csc attending,.,.kbarry

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How pathetic that celtic fans are going to tannadice you would think you would have better things to do you really are obsessed

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I am a CELTIC supporter and will not be going to Tannadice when Dundee Utd play Rangers. I'm hoping my own team are playing the Scottish cup that day. I would be angry though if my Chief Exec took away my choice to support my team. Who's to say there's not a few Rangers supporters who did want to go along and support their team. If you think DUFC's actions were low then why are you bringing yourselves down to that level and below ?

Mrs E

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Mrs E. There will be Rangers supporters who will phone United and buy tickets directly despite Green's statement. A number have stated on here about doing that already. Some, although clearly not as many as normal, will still be in attendance that day. The worry I have is if kbarry is correct and a fair number of Celtic fans also go (particularly if they are wearing Celtic tops/colours to emphasise their point/support of United) then there will be genuine potential for trouble erupting in the away end, if that is the end they buy tickets for. That is the last thing that the game or either of our two clubs needs at this point in time. This fixture is rapidly turning into a powderkeg with disastrous consequences written all over it because of Green's statement. He should have left it to the fans to decide for themselves and if they chose not to go then that would have been the end of it and their point would have been made just as the GB's has recently.

I would encourage any Celtic supporters wishing to attend to buy tickets for the united end and show their support that way (if they feel strongly enough about it - personally I think Celtic fans attending a game in numbers that their team is not involved in is asking for trouble and setting a dangerous precedent) rather than having United fans at one end and a mixture of Rangers and Celtic fans congregated in the away end with only a few stewards to supervise them. What happens if United score and kbarry and his mates start taunting the Rangers fans sitting a few feet away from them or vice versa? The consequences don't bear thinking about, particularly with the game being shown live on TV. I genuinely fear their will be a lot of trouble surrounding this game now.

Brian

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Brian, I think there will be minimal, if any Celtic supporters there. I hope we are playing on the same night should we get past Arbroath and the CL fixtures are in February..I know where my money will be going and I would quite like to get to the away leg.

What are major investors going to think of CG, there's a potential here for Rangers to loss revenue. I think he has reacted too quickly. Surely ˜revenge' is better served on the pitch. Is there really any impact to DUFC with this, how much do they care ?

The Celtic board as you know are tighter than a dead heat, they would not give up potential income. Mrs E

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Rangers fans boycotting a Scottish Cup game is shameful. Celtic fans going to Tannadice that day is shameful.

I'm getting really sick of the dregs in our football. We have finally reached rock bottom with this bitterness.

There are 1000's of good football fans who just want to get on with it and watch the games. On both sides.

Shuggy

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I dont think it will be only Celtic fans going to Tannadice the rest of Scottish football will be going.

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Goog, then we shall be taking 42.5% from you all then, thank you

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Think Greene is shooting Rangers in the foot.
His actions are going to galvanise all of the other teams in Scotland together, forming new alliances. Rangers very soon will be a pariah club. 'Bark at the world and the world will bite back'!

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04 Dec 2012 14:50:00
Lets assume the appeal goes agaisnt us. Who will pay the money? The old club is dead?

Is this not a waste of money? Or if they win the appeal can they go after others?

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Think that is the point of their appeal, if they can win , then it will open the flood gates to other clubs that have also used this system. think we were being used as the test case !!

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HM Revenue and Customs says it will seek permission to appeal against a tax tribunal ruling in favour of Rangers use of Employee Benefit Trusts. Yes we were the test case. Has anyone concidered where the money comes from
to pay for the appeal ? There like a drunk salior with bottomless pockets
and If the appeal fails who gets there arse kicked for the waste of all this money ? Someone must be made to be accountable should they not, just like the Harry Rednapp case all that time and money yet no one is accountable.

Berti1263

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CGs claims that its the same club suits HMRC and Creditors. BDO and government insolvency investigators can declare gratuitous alienation, a zombie club/ company situation and claw back for the creditors. Rumour share issue not happening as that £20m could be seized/ frozen in bank pending legal recourse.

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Shhh, the clubs not dead, its just the company that owned everything that's dead ffs

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@ 1) I think your right. Rangers were not one of the big offenders using ebts. There are bigger fish to fry for HMRC.

Don

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Good to see that HMRC are continuing their fruitless witch hunt against Rangers, still funded by the taxpayer.
If it is found in Rangers favour....AGAIN...who will pay for it......yep....US THE TAXPAYERS!!!

Its time that this witch-hunt was put to bed once and for all!!


Its about time that these effing shysters went after the REAL tax dodgers.....cameron and his buddies, google, amazon, Starbucks and vodafone......if you add up all the cash that these companies owe it would be around £20 BILLION!!!

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04 Dec 2012 16:34:44
Right fully so, they should appeal, everybody outside of Ibrox knows this was tax avoidance, and when the HMRC win the appeal, justice will be seen to have been dispensed, and got help the other clubs who have employed these tactics. Tim Goa.

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Rangers may not have been the biggest EBT offenders, but have paid the ultimate price for the HMRC tactics.
Politically this is a hot potato with the Independence vote coming up, and the drive to stop tax evation. Better to spend £3m to keep it in the courts for another 2/3 years than numerous lawsuits against the government causing damage for both their keep the union debate and anti-tax evation drive.

A large protest to highlight the issue would probably help to advertise the issue that this government would rather leave for the next parliament to deal with.

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They are not caring about the money we apparently owe them they want to win as we were a test case- lots of big clubs down south they are after

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Hmrc already released a statement sayin that rangers wont be held accountable for the money

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I'm guessing SDMs witch hunt, instructing his lawyers to chase those who criticized the EBTs was premature? Jabba's recent parting tirade in the daily rant now looks completely silly. This now supports Lord Nimmo-Smith's foregone conclusion in most reasonable minds that disclosure by rangers to footballing authorities was indeed breaking regulations and therefore players fielded illegally.

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04 Dec 2012 18:39:25
This has never been about Rangers. There are 14 English teams 9 of which are in the EPL. If we owed 49mil what will these teams owe. We are the test case. If HMRC wins against us then they have the ammunition to get money off these English teams

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"I'm guessing SDMs witch hunt, instructing his lawyers to chase those who criticized the EBTs was premature? Jabba's recent parting tirade in the daily rant now looks completely silly. This now supports Lord Nimmo-Smith's foregone conclusion in most reasonable minds that disclosure by rangers to footballing authorities was indeed breaking regulations and therefore players fielded illegally."

SDM wasnt trying to charge people who said stuff about the ebts fellah, he IS going to charge whoever it was that leaked private tax documents to the internet bampots.....and mark my words, he WILL succeed. This is the start of a huge sh!t-strom the like that have never been seen :)

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HMRC are seeking leave to appeal, HMRC must show to the court that the appeal is based on a point of law, not disputing the FTTT decision. A judge can refuse this leave to appeal if he is not satisfied with HMRC argument.

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The last post is correct. HMRC will only be granted grounds of appeal if there's been a legal error in FTT decision, which is highly unlikely.

The likelihood is that HMRC's appeal will be thrown out.

HMRC are just wasting more tax payers money in a desperate attempt to save facing. It's scandalous !

Meantime, HMRC are doing deals with Hearts over staged payments. Explain that one !

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The appeal was a certainty, HMRC told CW they would appeal over a year ago. CW knew even if Rangers had got a CVA no one would have invested with this hanging around for years. This means liquidation was also a certainty and everyone at the highest level knew this, this whole thing is a public sham.

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Yes it,s easy to spend somsone else,s money A win on appeal would not raise any money but would not allow a bankrupt Rangers to re-appeal and drag it on Finally would a Scottish based legal judgement be transferrable to future EPL cases if not why not try a case in English courts It might be 6/7/8th ?time lucky for HMRC on a topic which government closed the loophole in 2010[Legal before then]

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Last post ...you hit it on the head there ..."yes it's easy to spend someone else money."

Years of that malarkey have come back to haunt you .

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I believe the appeal will have some chance of success, HMRC are appealing on technical grounds and you cannot just invent technicalities. There are either technical grounds for an appeal or there are not, HMRC are not going to appeal under the public gaze without any grounds.

I don't believe this affects the newco in anyway, the case for gratuitous alienation( zombie company) is non-existant. One would have to prove collusion between CW and CG, and there was none, only 6 months of trying to flog the company to any bidder.

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This appeal is about HMRC getting a trophy so they can use it against other clubs/businesses.
They know full well they will get little or no cash from Rangers oldco

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The eastend Tax experts speak again !

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04 Dec 2012 14:41:04
Rangers 'big tax case' ruling to be appealed by HMRC
4 Dec 2012 14:08

AN HMRC spokesman confirmed today that they would seek permission to appeal last month's first tier tax tribunal ruling over Rangers' use of Employment Benefit Trusts between 2001 and 2010.

Paddy Malarkey

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Knock knock
Who's there?
HMRC---Merry Christmas!

Got £20m in shares money to pay your debts?

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Ah the return of Timmy the tax experts..go back to your worst start in 50 years.....

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Worst start in 50 years 1 game away from last 16 of champions league top of the league with a game in hand semi finals of league cup and still in the scottish cup and of course european football after the new year come on celtic get this mess sorted out.jamie

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They 'just cant get enough' of Rangers......the ONLY show in town despite septic doing pretty good in the CL.

You would think they would stop and concentrate on trying to get more than 8000 at a home game, but no....they would rather stay at home and be internet bampots thinking they are clever because they are registered on more Rangers pages than celtic ones...........shameful!!

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So it seems the tic fans on here think we are the old club again cause hmrc are appealing!

Make up your mind dhims, old, new, old, new. Hmrc will take nothin off us, old companys problem now, if its still there when the decision is made. N who says theyll win? U said they would last time n look what happened!

BlueNose

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04 Dec 2012 13:51:46
HMRC are going to the Upper Tier Tax Tribunal!
After winning the first 2 rounds only to loose at the FTTT they're ready to chuck the kitchen sink at Rangers.
They believe their case is stronger than ever after Rangers conceded to tax evasion in a number of instances!

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Yeah so the news says and confirms HMRC has the boot in for Rangers when it lets Hearts agree a deal for continual breaches in payments!
What a waste of tax payers money this is!

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Say they win...who pays the money? They must be after others and using this as a test case. No?

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Just heard that confirmed on BBC. It was always too early to start claiming victory imho, these guys never give up, and the FTT judgement was only partially favourable.

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04 Dec 2012 16:00:55
Many will say that far too many crowed too soon about this (which now seems like an non-result).

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They only want justice and they will get it. murray has a cheek to say he will claim. did he not want to pay 10 million for case to be dropped

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I mean, does this actually matter any more? Their case is a claim against the assets of a liquidated company. The only team that needs be worried now is Hearts, who let's face it, were suddenly quick to sort out THEIR outstanding tax affairs. For now.

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