Rangers Rumours Archive July 03 2012

03 Jul 2012 17:36:26
Besiktas make move for Steven Davis as talks continue with Allan McGregor

03 July 2012 17:08 BST

Steven Davis is on the lookout for a new club after refusing to join newco Rangers in June. Pic: ©SNS Group
Steven Davis has received an offer from Besiktas to join them on a free transfer and he could be joined by his former Rangers team-mate Allan McGregor.

STV understands the Turkish side are in talks with the goalkeeper, having already made their move to try and land former Ibrox captain Davis.

Both players declined to have their contracts transferred to Charles Green’s new company after moves were made to put their previous employers, The Rangers Football Club Ltd, into liquidation following the rejection of a CVA.

03 Jul 2012 13:21:03
SFA will not allow RFC Newco into spl says Stewart Regan.

Source: Jim Spence twitter while at todays meeting

So why bother to have a vote then? more shi*e from spence?

That's to stop the vote which is already decided anyway and thus stop fans boycotting teams.

Which would then beg the question if the SFA have no intention of letting gers in, why have the other clubs vote , since it wouldn't matter what way they vote they wouldn't be admitted.

Heard SPL are voting to never allow Newco into the SPL. {Ed039's Note - So why are they having a meeting to allow their members to vote tomorrow then? What a load of tosh. If this was the case then they would have made a decision during their discussions a while back instead of saying we will let our members vote)

The only sensible thing he has said in weeks when is he prepared to go the full road and impose all penalties/sanctions that they so deserve if he doesn't the SFA, SPL,SFL will have lost all credibility so I defy any fans of all clubs not just RFC Newco don't buy season books until this Ogilvie,Doncaster, Regan are booted out, if it was any other club the decision would have been done a long time ago.

All this moral nonsense doesn't wash, our game without rangers will be a lesser league than the irish division. for the sake of scottish football keep them in spl and take punishments accordingly.

I presume the "never" post was a troll. For weeks I've been wanting SFL3 but now I'm thinking SPL with penalties along the lines of CG's alleged proposition is fairer.

I think a club should be allowed to play at its natural level otherwise it's unfair on the other teams in its division. The penalties need to limit the chance of the punished club actually winning its division and maybe even fighting for survival (as per Dundee).

There are no such things as trolls on here as this website is for all I assume given its easy accessibility? {Ed039's Note - Website is available for all, except those banned and posts are reviewed before posting)

That depends whether you are talking about oldco's natural level or the new? Given we are only left with the newco with no players, money, embargos etc etc, etc maybe the third is a more realistic level. Have you also considered the potential damage to the SPL or SFL if fans continue to refuse to back CG and you are back in administration within a matter of weeks? You no longer have a natural level my friend as we don't even know who you are yet! This talk of what you bring to the game in terms of finance is historical, can’t you see that? You, me, Ed, no one knows what type of money this newco can generate. Talk of 40k season ticket holders is also historical! Rangers are no longer that rangers can't you get that?

I get the feeling (not to mention time running out) that this is all heading to a 12 month suspension for newco. Gives the SFA/SPL/SFL time to re-structure the whole game up here properly and then to ask for new applications to whatever setup they come up with.

Regan @ Doncaster have handled a difficult situation very badly (amateurs). The SFA @ SPL must join together and decide the way forward with all clubs. Scottish football will cease to exist if Regan @ Doncaster proceed.
Sporadic meetings which decide nothing, individual sanctions from the SFA, then the SPL, then the SFA again etc, etc. Please get a grip for the sake of football in Scotland.
Other FA's support there member teams for the overall good of the association, not self destruction to save face or be seen to do the right thing for every individual. Please do the right thing for the overall football in this country. Forget individual clubs, individual fans and think of the big picture

OK I use the word "troll" to describe someone who deliberately posts nonsense in order to wind up people enough so that they reply. Unless anyone else has an explanation for that post?

The article is on STV site now. A bit convoluted, really. The message has come via the Livi chairman who said it was "his opinion" that's what Regan meant.

SFA has not commented.

The Irish league is fair, open and competitive. I could settle for that

Correct me if Im wrong but without a massive budget to attract key players, with a depleted side how competitive would the Newco be even if admitted to the SPL

No matter where Rangers end up it would be nice if there was some merit in us being there and the only way that that can happen is to apply to the lower league division three. To be simply forced into somewhere else for the sake of SKY would be even more humiliation for Gers fans the Club would be the only Club there without merit and no matter how long we are there nor how successful it will all be unmerited.

Yes, SFA 'll not allow Rangers to play in their lower leagues. So they'll play in SPL saving the other clubs in financial troubles

They should be allowed to play at their natural level as it's unfair for other teams in the league?? Jeezo what type of players do you think you will get? Believe me if rangers go to division 3 it won't be a stroll as they will have sanctions etc and not to mention running costs. It won't be straightforward case of winning the league every year till they get back into the spl

Is that just hear say as im sure he would prefer his beloved dundee to get in instead of us?

I can't see how SFA can stop Rangers going into SPL.

They're voting cause that's the rules and the decision has to be documented for audit purposes and any future legal action from any party involved or effected. SFA can veto as they still issue, monitor and administrate a club's licence to play in the SPL. Covering their ass incase UEFA, who ultimately call the shots, step in and fry them..

Dounds like thet are not voting. SPL and SFA - what a shambles.

What a circus. the sfa and spl are a joke. No europe for 3 years so lets juat drop to div 3 and play the youth.

03 Jul 2012 12:04:38
(Scotsman, I think)
It is believed he has offered a six-point plan of punishments in a bid to win their approval.

Green’s plan would see his Rangers newco:

• Back SPL voting reform and slash the Old Firm’s influence;

• Agree a fairer split of revenue and cut payments to the Old Firm;

• Accept the transfer embargo given by the SFA appeals body;

• Pay all Rangers’ football debts at home and abroad;

• Take a points deduction for at least one, possibly more seasons;

• Issue a public apology for Gers’ past wrongdoing.

In my opinion (not a Rangers fan but nothing against Rangers and am taking an interest) this kind of package would be a good solution for all.

But will it be enough for the other 11 clubs?

McWulf

Sounds like a james traynor story if ever i read one........

lamb muncher....

Only a public apology now? If 7 SPL chairmen said they were voting yes, there wouldn't be the disingenuous, cynical, blame the guys who have left apology.
The other issues the SPL teams will get anyway with Rangers gone.
Tried to bribe the SFL. Now trying to bribe the SPL. {Ed039's Note - Where was the bribe?)

Can I ask a question if after this season with all the sanctions mr green has proposed newco gets relegated will he ask for league reconstruction just so to keep the sky deal ??

I think thins would be a good plan apart from the transfer embargo, considering only 13 players are currently training.

Lets go to the third div and start again stuff the rest

I do not think we would have enough players to compete at spl level with transfer embargo we struggled last year with injuries some loan concessions would have to be granted otherwise we might as well start in lower divisions as we would end up there anyway with added points deductions

Sounds ok, but since the other SPL so called fans want us to burn in hell for eternity even if it means their clubs will lose much needed revenue it's a nonstarter.

Regarding your reference to old firm influence ,on any given weekend during the season whichever of the two are at home their attendance comfortably outstrips the entire attendance total for every other game in the spl and scottish league combined,how much influence in your opinion does that entitle them to?

The article says we think this is the right punishment. Sorry to be cynical, but why would we call it a punishment for saying sorry for breaking the rules and a punishment to pay off the money we owe to other clubs. And why did it take us until 24 hours before a vote we loke like loosing before we come up with this .

As a Newco its 3rd div or nothing, sporting integrity and the rules of the game must be upheld, no more corruption in scottish football, Newco must start at the bottom

I see the Green fingers are out in force on our page as per norm, Sighs!

There is no such thing as a Rangers fan anymore that club are dead, capoot, finito. Charles Greens newco are the most recent Scottish football team maybe you are getting confused its the same team. {Ed039's Note - So they wont be playing at Ibrox, wearing blue and have a name with Rangers in it?)

Point 1: his company has no influence.
Point 2: his company has no right to any payments.
Point 3: already ruled by court not allowable.
Point 4: does his company have the 'possibly' £100M owed to HMRC.
Point 5: Point deductions, already seen from last season this won't matter, what was it 10 points ahead. of 3rd place.
Point 6: well that's already done today.

I think it's bull! You can't just take an embargo if the body in power doesn't have the power to impose such a restriction!

Actually I think a more fundamental question should be, will the fans of the other clubs accept it? Looking at the discussions that have gone on before, most of the teams who are rejecting New 'Rangers' into the SPL have done so on the basis that their fans do not agree with New 'Rangers' simply walking back in.

From everything I've read to date, regardless of the contrition being shown by Rangers as a club, I can't help but feel that there is little stomach to allow New 'Rangers' to start anywhere but the 3rd division. Given that the smaller towns in scotland will need to foot the bill for Policing rangers coming to 'town' surely a nice act of contrition on Rangers part would be to pay the costs for the policing. Let's be honest, Peterhead, etc. didn't ASK for rangers to come to Peterhead twice a season, so WHY should they be financially impacted?

Why are you calling them PUNISHMENTS?
Its sanctions for misdemeanors.

Has anybody actually seen anything definite from SKY saying that they are going to pull the plug if no NEWCO in the SPL or indeed anything that says that current SKY tv deal is dependent on 4 'old firm' ganes a season....because I must have missed it (Ed039's Note - They are hardly going to broadcast problems/negotiations that would impact on their ratings and subscribers are they)

I think fans will get over it. Especially if they see Rangers struggling at the foot of the SPL.

I also think the current Newco squad, plus a few natty under 18s, will be good enough to stay up. 3 seasons of bottom 6 is better than 3 in the SFL, no?

McWulf again (mine was the last post too). Has anyone wondered where under this porposal, CG will get money from to pay footy debts? If he's trying to bribe Romanov here, he will need to show he has a few hundred grand in cash, not in "funny money". {Ed039's Note - I think there will be a timescale in place to pay football debts, they wouldnt be due immediately I wouldnt imagine)

{Ed039's Note - So they wont be playing at Ibrox, wearing blue and have a name with Rangers in it?)

Well that ain't certain yet. (Ed039's Note - Of course its not, but if a team is admitted to the league then they will be)

It will be Rangers/Blue/Ibrox without a doubt. Even if the SFA insists on a different name for odd bureaucratic resons, fans will still be cheering "Rangers".

Yes, Ed, there will need to be a timescale. But that dilutes the proposition. Rangers (oldco) still owed fees dating back 10 years or so, and I would think there is a real chance of administration again within the next year or two. I can't see newco being able to borrow money to pay these debts either.

McWulf

Are the wheels already grinding to a halt on the sporting integrity train as they tried to railroad rangers out of the SPL. I can’t believe Green is even thinking about accepting terms to clubs who are thinking about a u-turn on kicking Rangers out of the SPL, only because now they realise it’s their clubs that may face extinction. This has been scenario Rangers supporters have had to endure for the last few weeks. We would have to agree to a six point plan that includes a point’s deduction, the transfer embargo stays, and they two are enough to kill any chance of Rangers being competitive. We have already lost most of our team and wouldn’t be allowed to replace them, only 13 players turned up for training first day. We are out of Europe for three years but our gate money is to help other teams that are in the various competitions in Europe, some of the very teams that have been battering the Ranger’s naughty boy for weeks. Why don’t they give us clarity we all know the answer but they won’t come out and say it. We hate you, we don’t want you ever having a chance of winning anything, we would like to continually kick you in the teeth, but can we still have the money you will generate. The bullied become the bullies. Charles Green should tell them to go forth a multiply. If he does that I for one will be backing him. It may be a totally different SPL we find ourselves in if we move up from third, and I for one will laugh.

It just keeps getting WORSE!! CG, Sky & ALL the other clubs that can't exist without 'Rangers' want their cake and to eat it by keeping us in the SPL but crippling us. If they get their way, it'll mean history recording Celtic putting a barrow-load past us every game! F%K THAT! Division 3 for us or I'm done with the game in Scotland. Johnny

Point I was making re sky etc was that a lot of posters on this and other forums have talked about this as fact with nothing really to back it up

16 million is lost to rangers in a season (e.g. just look at season tickets).

But without spl football at ibrox - will that be lost to footbal is the question.

Many of those season tickets holders and fans will have sky tv, and maybe now without spl football even more... so sky may get more income from this now less

Other clubs never saw this £16 million - but may now have more home fans, wins and trophies - so could easily get more money without gers in spl - not less

its not clear - who looses £16 million a year - other than rangers - new or old.

fans can now all call thier clubs and say if you vote gers into div 1 - we cancel season tickets - and this will stop that vote dead.

Has Green lost his mind?! It's all fine and well getting into the SPL,but if they reimpose the transfer embargo,would we actually have enough players to play?

Claims on bbc radio - that rangers may only take 1/3 of the season ticket payments... so about £5 million for the season.

is this enough for any division?

"is this enough for any division?"

How much do you think Peterhead, Montrose or East Stirling take in season ticket sales? {Ed039's Note - less than 100 people)