Rangers Rumours Archive September 28 2011

28 Sep 2011 20:54:49
If all rangers fans were to be offered an interest free loan from rangers of £1000 then the fans could either pay off the possible debt or fund £50m of transfers.

How would that work, if the money is needed to pay off the debt, where is it supposed to come from to begin with. I think you have to go back to the drawing board, or the padded cell.

Eh? a might be reading that wrong. but is disny make sense to me pal.

Some fans dont have £1000 u clown, some fans have other things to worry about than football, feed 4 kids pay bills, catch a grip u nugget

There has to be a solution there somewhere. Basically it means 50,000 fans givng the Gers £1000 each or say 10,000 fans giving £5000 each. Possible tax implications with this. If things go wrong with the HMRC Case then we may be forced to do something like this. If you look at the trophies won compared to Celtic in the last 23 years (since Murray took over), we have been twice as successful. Murray has bankrolled our 23 year party. We now have to pay for the party. Have a look at the net transfer spend of Celtic and Rangers over this 23 year period. You will see that Celtic have spent alot more money for half the trophies

Why did u actually even waste ur time posting that s**t man that is by far the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here, for a start it doesn't even make sense but I know what ur trying to say but even then if Rangers fans each gave the club an interest free loan of £1000 to pay off debt or invest in the team or whatever, you seem to neglect the fact that whether it's interest free or not, a loan still needs to be repaid so the club would just have put itself into £50m debt but instead of owing it to a bank it owes it to the supporters, do u even know the meaning of the word loan.

A would do it the only problem is i haven't got a grand and am actually still paying up my my season ticket a would if a could right enough

If we lose the tax case we will go into admin, whyte aint gonna piss £50 mil of his money down the toilet... would you ... after admin whyte has free reign debt free

I would give £500 at the most

Wont be needed, its unlikely we will lose this case and very very unlikely inland revenue will get anywhere near 50 million..

Hopefully we will be more than 10 points clear and going in to admin won't matter!

I am Rangers til I die, but no all fans in position to give any money over.

Better solution is to find a very rich arab or russian to but the club.....simples!!!!!

Couldn't Whyte do a share issue down the line hence meaning it's not a loan but he would get a cash injection into the club?

I hear what the blokes saying, but how many fans would put there hand in there pocket to stop Rangers going bust, i certainly would.

If the 100k supporters who was in manchester gave £100 then thats £10 Million, plus worldwide supporters (theres over 220k supporters on the facebook page alone), plus people like Dave King, who isn't short of a bob or two who could chip in more....... £50 Mill, Simples lol! :-)

There may well be someone waiting in the wing if this tax bills turns for the worst. saying no more!!

As usual there are the clowns who insist on abusing fellow Gers on this site. The truth is the lad who made the original point has made a very simple and logical statement anyone who does not understand it is in fact the moron, the clown and the man who needs a padded cell!

Not sure myself if it will come to this, I truly feel that Whyte has all the business acumen needed to manage Rangers. The truth is we are in for a rough road off the pitch; however for me all this will do is bond this team even further and success will be ours on the pitch which will go a long way to help rebuild our club.

GDog
WATP

Some peaple cant aford to give away £50 never mind £1000 family and kids jst come before football

You mean give Rangers a grand each, the original post says "loan a grand from rangers ffs, Rangers couldny loan us a can a coke the noo!

'As usual there are the clowns who insist on abusing fellow Gers on this site. The truth is the lad who made the original point has made a very simple and logical statement anyone who does not understand it is in fact the moron, the clown and the man who needs a padded cell!'

To this 'clown' the original post stated that we should each get a grand of rangers so if thats what you call logical go put a tim scarf on and watch your team get beat !

Listen you imbecile. It did not take a rocket scientist to understand what he was on about and thinking, but instead of applying some common sense you would rather spend your time abusing people. It doesn't take much intelligence your just an ignorant who believes everyone who challenges you is a Tim! Your pathetic and weak and frankly should f**K off and stop wasting everyone's time!!

Next time you want to respond to me don't waste your time regurgitating my view just use my name, I sign off with it every time.

GDog
WATP

Well i didnt say he was a tim i just said he should go put on the scarf! i knew what he meant but this guy made it out as if it was clear.. aye am weak cos i stood up for a guy who was getting slated.. go look up the meaning of imbecile Gdog

fauldsrfc

I completely understand that alot of fans don't have the funds to pay an extra £500 never mind £1000 to help the cause. The way I look at it, most pepole have a car that they pay up and over period of time it completley losess its value. We don't think twice about buying a second hand Focus at between £1000 and £5000 and five years later we have forgot we ever had it. The limit of my stupidy is £5k cause that is what I could afford to pay off. The Limt of David Murray's stupidy has got be in excess of £100M. Thats what I call real commitment cause the man has lost a fortune so that we could be successful. Rangers FC are worth more than a Ford Focus each.

I see my original post has generated lots of debate. Maybe my idea was a bit unrealistic and I realise that most people have other commitment but then again these same people would be prepared to pay £1000 on a holiday or trip to Manchester for the final so why not give rangers £1000 to save the club and ensure 10 in a row. There will also be people who earn significant amounts of money who would be prepared to donate more I'm sure. At the end of the day rangers is our lives. When you go to work on a Monday morning isn't it a great feeling to smile at your Celtic supporting colleagues when rangers have gubbed them or when you arrive at ibrox for an old firm game and the hairs on your neck stand up when you walk up the stairs and see the stadium. I for one would give the gets money to save our team

Listen i do think we could raise so much money with this idea and its been spoke about before. but one thing, why should we? we put millions into the club every year and its wasted and i this would probably be the same... Would the club start listening to our thoughts if we had money invested? Anyway no need we will NOT lose out to the taxman..

Did david murray not try a share issue a few years back and it was a flop with no fans getting involved. The only reason any money was raised was because MIM had underwritten the share issue.

U have a good idea but fact is the money would never be made.

What is your problem GDOG?, it is not totally clear from the original post what he was trying to say. We are clearly not as smart as you are.

Why don't u relax a little. We are sitting 7 pints clear mate

Southside bear!

Correct David Murray offered a share issue to the Fans and there was a about a million pound taken from fans and DM underwrote the share issue for nearly 50 million. To state that 250 thousand fans would invest is a joke. we had our chance and let it pass us by, we are guilty not Celtic not WS and DW!!

We give money to rangers every year.. its called a season ticket

Why would Rangers offer the fans an intrest free loan that would just put them in the mire even more. What are the fans going to do with £1000 other than blow it on xxxxxxxxxxxl clothes.

28 Sep 2011 16:37:35
Just read a snippet from the craig whyte article in the telegraph, he is stating that he will Not let Rangers go bust, and " we are working behind the scenes to get into the Premiership " I know it's the same old same old, but I like it and it cheered me up on a sunny day............. Come on the Rangers ! it's great to be a Bear

We dont want you in our prem and why should you be in prem you should be like Newport and Wrexham from Wales and start in the Northern alliance or such like

Diny wnt to be in the english overated boring 1 horse race every year league.

Thanks for that, and which world beating English team do you support ? ? lmao................ Grow up man, two of the biggest clubs in the world would cheer up that dreery 4 team division and pull in a massive tv audience from all over the world. Are you really happy watching Wigan v Wolves ? ( with respect to those two teams ) Rangers versus Tottenham, or the chasers versus Liverpool, good games AND entertaining ! Thank you again, Rangers til I die

Then why are you on a Scottish teams page ?.............. Suspect reply imo ya trumpet, yer division is predictable !!!! 4 in a row

The old firm would run a mock in your league mate the it would maby take about five years but it would happen then there wouldn't be any talk about your man united or man city or Liverpool or Chelsea or tottenham or any of yous because everything would be looked at as the old firm league and not the premiership

No chance of playing in EPL they dont need us

You need cheered up on a sunny day?

Love the comment " yer division is predictable!! 4 in a row"

We would deffo add something to that league. Kinda think we'd have to get promotion to it somehow rather than going straight in. Good if it happened though.

pappy

Newport and Wrexham whats wrong with Swansea and Cardiff!

To the English punter - I would happily start at the conference or something, we would be in EPL within 5 years.

Make no mistake it's TV revenue money that makes the EPL.

Other than Man U and Poss Arsenal, Celtic and Rangers attendance over the season would be far greater than most other teams.

Smaller EPL teams would see the Old Firm as a threat to them so there is a zero chance of joining.

End of story, CW

28 Sep 2011 11:12:42
Thinking ahead to transfers in/out in January and end of season, I would be looking at-

OUT

Broadfoot
Weir
McCulloch
Fleck
Lafferty
Healy
Davis (if we are offered 8 million or more)

IN

Some quality wingers like Weiss, Verhoek and another striker.

I have to disagree with some of your suggestions here. We have finally got the makings of a squad and you want to break it up?

yes Broadfoot should go.
We are Rangers and I believe Weir and McCulloch deserve a bit more loyalty than that. Yes they are struggling now but they saw us through some of our hardest times without question. They are no longer first pick and are valuable squad members.

Davis - we all have our price but we should not look to let them go.

Fleck - Needs to go on loan but not a lost cause.

We are already a striker short and you want to get rid of both Healy and Lafferty. Then only bringing 1 striker?
Healy should possibly go but Lafferty has HIT HIS BEST FORM SINCE COMING to us his value will increase if this continues.

Bluegenius

Weiss could sign on a free this year can he not?
Verhoek will sign for Ajax or PSV, and will not come to the SPL or the UK period. Lafferty won't leave because no-one will buy him, Davis £8m?? try a wee bit more, Club Captain, best midfielder in the SPL and if Ki, and Kayal are worth £10m then he should be worth considerably more than £8m

Broadfoot - yes
Weir - good player to have as cover
McCulloch - still has somethin to offer
Fleck - needs to go on loan
Lafferty - playing the best football he has played since arriving, finally looking somehing like the £4m player we signed
Healy - doesnt get enough playin time but should probably go
Davis - only if offered £12m+

Weiss - completely over rated
Verhoek - homesick fter a few hours at Forrest, doubt it

Lafferty and davis have 2 stay. I agree Wiess is totally overrated. Hope we can keep this squad together. Strong enough to lead us to 4 in a row.

Were top of the league and there all good for the squad i dont see any mileage in selling davis at any price, so to me we should only add to strenthen the squad we have big broadfoot aint as bad as a loy of u think at least he can covere a few positions?

Why would we sell Davis. He has just signed a 5 year deal and is playing out his skin this season, we should be building a team around him not looking to get rid. I'd be happy with Fleck going on loan, Broadfoot going and bringing in Gary O'Connor and possibly David Templeton.
J1985

I agree with a few of those transfers out, but i don't see us really making any money there and i wouldn't sell Davis at all as 8 million would not buy you a player of the same quality as premiership clubs pay that for guys we would pay 2 million for and they would expect that sort of price for a third choice player who would not be as good as Davis.

We should look to sell broadfoot and healy, and get fleck/hutton out on loan. weir and jig can cover til the summer. bring in a striker and poss a winger in jan, if we can afford it n the tax case has a good outcome.

i think weiss is slightly over rated, but he is good enough for the club and id rather have him in the team than wylde who is a bit tunnel visioned at times. getting him signed on a free for next season would be fantastic business. would like to see us sign templeton as well.

Lafferty and davis?? get real

Some of my fellow gers fans need to get real. 8m 10m 12m for davis. who in there right mind would pay that for davis. realistically 7m at a push. i'll agree he has been on fire this season but come on. as for lafferty- 1 good game 4 bad games. broadfoot/kerker/healy- out!

Lets get this straight we sign a few players now you want to get rid we have proved keeping a squad together works. Lafferty and davis will go nowhere they are playing the best football of their careers and love the club. Davis Ki or Kayal none of them will be sold for 10m+ mark my word Kayal will leave for 5m tops Ki possibly slightly more and i cannot see davis leaving as 6 or 7m would ot replace him as we would only spend upto 4m of that. Weiss-Not over rated he is 22 tell me a player is over rated when he is 31 people said SAF was crazy to pay 17m for ronaldo an that he was over rated i seem to remember a kid tht cudnt do anything right. End of the day weiss has so much potential that im afraid the spl may not be the best league for him to improve although id love to see him back on a free. Broadfoot- Pointless selling him hehas no value is on little wages and as much as u dnt want to admit can do a job in multiple positions. Jig & Weir deserve the loyalty they have shown the club to be reflected. Healy- i dnt know his wages so cannot comment as i dnt think he either has any value. Kerkar low wages no value and in my opinion has looked like a prospect over his 15 minutes on the park lol. Verhoek - not a chance. O'connor - not a chance. Templeton possibility but if we go in for him no doubt they will and i believe hes a dhim. and for the guy tht says lafferty 1 gd 4 bad mate get a grip a yersel when hes played up top 8/10 times he scores he bleeds blue and jelavicbrings out the best of him hes 23 and will jus get better.

Congratulations, you'be achieved the most pointless post of the day!
Please stop all this Weiss nonsense, verhoeks not coming!why to we need to do any business? We're top of the league and have the makings of a good squad, now pipe doon.

You seem to have it broadfoot down as a reject well there,s not a lot wrong with him I,ed say he puts in some decent shifts across the back four stick him in midfield as a ball winner..you might get a surprise.

David Healy has the (Beattie) syndrome sadly he isnt the player he was and maybe he could ressurect his career elsewhere..as for the rest on your list I still feel they all could have a part to play
at rangers this season or next.

Cant believe u want to sell davis and big laff both playing there best football since coming to the gers

I only wish Rangers fans had a transfer season cause you'd be on my list out!

CC

Weiss anit quality. would sell whittaker before broadfoot n laff is starting to come good. jog on

28 Sep 2011 08:14:40
the sun says big eck looking to swoop naisy from under the champs,hopefully we can hold on until the end of season

28 Sep 2011 07:06:20
Can anyone shed some light with what was going on in the broomy front last night.

I think its a disgrace, but unfortunately the police will always target this area and would not be surprised if they try to shut it down.

Oranjeboom

The police were enforcing new sectarian laws. Not the coppers fault they are only doing there jobs but nearly caused a riot.

Not a crime to support ur team.

Nearly caused a riot. New laws are a joke!

Why are the new laws a joke? Because you can no longer sing offensive songs? Geez peace, its people like the blue order who shame our club spending the first half an hour singing about politics, if they sang about their fitba team instead there wouldnt have been an issue, fans are warned to stop singing sectarian or offensive songs yet they persist and act surprised when they get done.

I am one Rangers fan who will not get behind the numbskulls in our support, i will stick to singing about Rangers and going to football for, yes you guessed it, the football.

Ibrox is not a place to air ill informed political views.

Anyone trying to say the SNP's motives arent good are lying, the law is poorly written and needs fixed however this is not an excuse to protect idiots.

What "sectarian" law were they enforcing? There was no sectarian chanting or singing from the section - they behaved well despite some heavy handed treatment from stewards and police.

I sit across from them in West Enclosure - so I should know.

We pay the stewards wages (and pay for the Police !) They show us no respect!

The Blue Order were outstanding last night ... !

NOT A CRIME TO SUPPORT YOUR TEAM !

Who knows?. think fat alex may have got on the phone and asked the police to act. I agree with the above comment, i was in the broomy last night and the support from the blue order was outstanding.

The new laws are a joke because they are not clear. is this song ok? can we sing this?.

SNP have far to much time on their hands if they are worried about a bit of singing.

How about dealing with real issues like getting young folk jobs ect

NOT A CRIME TO SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!

You're right it's not a crime to support your team but it's the small minded idiots that are giving the club a bad name! if you have to ask the question whether a certain song is ok to sing then it most probably isn't, a wee bit of common sense needed I think!

In reply to the 3rd post!!

Since when was expressing a politic view a crime?? As far as i can see this isnt a crime and people demostrate regarding these issues all time.

Also not ONCE did they sing a sectarian song so clearly you were not at Ibrox last night.

I agree if people are singing sectarican songs then throw them out but if people are singing songs about their team and creating a cracking atmosphere then leave them be. It was Irresponsible policing and typical of scotlands finest , strathclyde police!

Expressing Political views is not a crime, you are quite correct.

But as another Rangers season ticket holder (of 26 years) who the Blue Order DO NOT SPEAK FOR, small minded, petty and ill informed chanting supposedly in the name of my club annoys me almost as much as all the "quintessentially British" pish.

Lets face it, The Blue order (and many other Rangers fans) are looking for any reason to demonstrate against the SNP because of what they stand for, the new laws, however imperfect, are just a convenient excuse.

As I've grow older I find so many more reasons to dislike a large number of my own clubs fans, this is just another in a long list.

The police are clearly just following orders from above.

with regard to the songs that can be sung i agree it is very unclear,

Build my gallows?
the sash?
no surrender?

from what i have gathered from the club these songs are ok as long as no add ons are included but what do i know?

Keep politics out of fitba its that simple for me i ave never liked the blue order they are a joke an a disgrace an dont want them anywhere near ibrox

T-Bear

"Expressing Political views is not a crime, you are quite correct.

But as another Rangers season ticket holder (of 26 years) who the Blue Order DO NOT SPEAK FOR, small minded, petty and ill informed chanting supposedly in the name of my club annoys me almost as much as all the "quintessentially British" pish.

Lets face it, The Blue order (and many other Rangers fans) are looking for any reason to demonstrate against the SNP because of what they stand for, the new laws, however imperfect, are just a convenient excuse.

As I've grow older I find so many more reasons to dislike a large number of my own clubs fans, this is just another in a long list."

You renew my faith in my own clubs fans.

"you wurny at eh game last night"

What a smart reply, It isnt illegal to air political views but at Ibrox is not the place to do it. "f**k the snp" is not the sort of turn of phrase that will induce a reasoned debate im afraid and as was said if you have to question wether a chant is OK then it probably isnt.

Im all for protecting the Innocent but i view the Blue Order in the same light as i view the Green Brigade, group of fans who get above their station and start misrepresenting their own support.

A lot of the people "protesting" last night probably dont know a thing about politics, they just dont like seeing their own getting thrown out.

The motives are good by the SNP however flawed the law is.

At least these guys sing

No sectarian singing! i was in BF1 last night, a youngster was kicked out (not for singing for standing on a seat), the stewards were heavy handed in removing him and a few rows of supporters left in protest, anything else is lies! the blue order are the only section singing at ibrox, nothing sectarian! just trying to remove the dead atmosphere in every other part of the ground!!!

Think a few people need to get off their high horse. Different people will show their support i different ways but the blue order sing from start to finish and the atmosphere is dead without them. For u moaners it would be a library with guys like u.

See at the end a the day why are we even worring about the politics i agree with most coment but to the seasontickey holder of 26 years are you a true supporter? the blue order adds to the atmosphere if youv been a seanson ticket holder for that long then ur a hipocrit (soz bout spellin!) yod know then how bad it was that we wouldnt sign a cathloic player in the 80s

Wullie

Typical, because he doesnt like people singing political songs at Ibrox he gets questioned if he is a real supporter.

Ill tell yeez all what, he isnt the only one who are fed up with the blue order peddling political views at Ibrox.

Im all for the Blue Order if they just sang about Rangers but a half hour solid chant about a political party just annoys the hell out of the fans that are actually there for the Football.

Accusing him of not being a real fan, 26 years as a season ticket holder should have signalled to you that he is a fan.

I suspect you are one of the Union Monkeys, "Coz wen ye support eh Rangers ye need tae luv eh queen an at an rule britannia"

People with any sort of sense have their own political views and dont need the views of others shoving their views done everyone elses throat. Union Monkeys = Plastic Paddies, Blue Order = Green Brigade

To those that dont like what TBO/UB do. Why dont you start a song or a chant where you sit and drown them out!

Could you sing f**k the polis and no get arrested? not sectarian?