Rangers Rumours Archive June 26 2012

26 Jun 2012 22:09:14
hints are comming out of the sfa that the newco will def not have paper work for them ther by fri ,sorry to say but looks like ther wont even be a newco playing next season what a fu=k up this realy is ,then again this might have been the plan all along

Jezuz,
Are we still,thinking this is all part of The Plan.
Wake up & smell the coffee will you.

The truth is it has nothing to do with paperwork
Spartans FC and Linlithgow Rose have filed an objection that prevents Newco from taking any SFA place immediately. It has all gone tits up.

Why use the RFFF funds to get the Ibrox pitch re-turfed then?

There's apparently models of Ibrox as a development at an architects in London.

D&P have still not delivered accounts to SPL.
In fact, it's about 2 years now since Rangers published certified accounts. Well before Whyte.
It took forever to get evidence of EBTs across. SFA awaiting Green's consortium details and awaiting application for license.
Shambles.

Titties up you say ol boy,you are dead right squire,.,.kbarry

There's apparently models of....................
For gods sake give it a rest!

Don't worry false hope is on its way, Rangers will get in Div 3 of the SFL.....

...and will be up for sale by Christmas.

This just isn't going to work, what a mess.

Anorak.

C green really needs to do some talking about what his master plan is!
My thinking is he's taken on more than he bargained for, his statements are all about getting together and doing this and then doing that once this has been done !
But what exactly is this?
How can we have lost a whole team? Forget all crap about who we liked or who was good or bad or even the we don't do walking away stuff the fact is the team has left why?
Surely if Green actually had a plan that was going to work these players would have stayed and proved that WATP is we are the people and not
We are the poor or We are the past.

Who is responsible for signing off the audited accounts? And why haven't they been done in order to meet the necessary deadlines?

Yet another disgrace for Rangers. And to be honest you have to be suspicious about something being hidden here.

D&p have got to convince the court that there has been no conflict of interest, and that the disposal of assets has been done in the creditors best interest.

It's going to be difficult for them to deliver audited accounts when they've shredded everything!

Rangers are dead, the newco is dead, and unless somebody has �30mill they're happy to burn Ibrox will be a facade only within 3 years.

Is there a pan B, no its been the plan A all along!

How many times do you guys have to be told, Green is an Asset Stripper and he has planned all of this from the start with Whyte. For Gods sake waken up. If you want to keep your team going, take a year out and get all the fans together to buy a club in the third. If Carslberg did brains........

How does a newco - not yet confirmed - -produce a set of audited accounts?

is it just me?

bil72

Surely there are easier ways to build flats in Ibrox than to go through this elaborate plan. Sorry, no conspiracy with Whyte, just Green being out of his depth, unaware or whatever.
Al

IMHO Green really does want Rangers in the SPL. Wasn't that a condition of his takeover? Remember also it's not his money, it's all loans from (allegedly) 20 business partners.

Remember the super Casino and business hotels etc Murray was going to deliver at Ibrox !!...well here it comes minus the football club of course.

Please please please let go of the conspiracy theories involving Whyte, D&P and Green. Planning to ruin Rangers for the fixed assets is a bonkers idea, Whyte is being pursued by Ticketus and HMRC for millions, D&P spent 4 months avoiding liquidation and Charles Green has paid 5.5 million for assets with the development potential of a nuclear waste site.

The sad truth is Rangers was a fraudulent pyramid scheme, it relied on new money being poured into it, when the money dried up, the pyramid finally collapsed under a mountain of debt. The fans were guaranteed results( returns) that the company could not afford to maintain.

SDM needed someone else to put the company into administration, and he simply chose the most incompetent and corrupt person on the planet.

Anorak.

I thought Green was just a fool but maybe not if the plan was to kill off the club and sell the assets at a profit within a few weeks.

So how exactly do the SFA know what will or wont arrive with them by Friday? Have they hired mystic meg to open their mail 2 days before its even sent?
Utter garbage, once again.

26 Jun 2012 21:05:01
Thats Davis and Magregor away

Disappointing but fairly inevitable - would any of us not have done the same, especially as it's apparently far from certain they won't recieve their wages this month. BB

26 Jun 2012 20:44:30
bbc's alasdair lamont has just announced McGreggor, Davis, Lafferty and Ness have now all officially objected to transfer of contract to newco

I am not a Rangers fan, nor do I have an allegiance to Celtic . But I am a follower of football in our country. And I would say to Sevco fans, be patient . I have seen the Rangers kids from 14 through to 19s and there are some terrific kids attached to Sevco ! Take your punishment, be patient, give the kids your support and you will come through this. !!

Attached to Rangers you mean? Sevco just own the club...they arent renaming it!

Sevco isn't the name of the club, it's just a holding name for an as yet unofficially named company - that's why its Sevco 5478 or whatever the hell it is!!

26 Jun 2012 20:20:04
Davis and mcgregor to leave within the next 24/48 hours

hail hail

Marco1888

Walk this way..........

What a sad little man you are. instead of shouting bout your team being a success last season yor more interested in rangers troubles. get a life saddo.

I understand ur excitement at the prospect of the senior players leaving but Y would we need them in sfl3? wages that cant be afforded and lets be brutally honest its gonna hav to be the kids and hopefully another few senior players decide to stay to help them along the way. c u in 3 :)

So....he's a sad little man for posting something true and without insult or abuse. You should get a life now pal. Now your sad little club has gone you should have plenty of time to find one

Atleast we will find out what its like to be promoted. Im actually looking forward to the journey ahead its gona make the next premier league title sooo sweet all the way from sfl3. Lets have Green out first the guy should have been a politician with all the broken promises hes delivered. EBT or not it has to be Walter for me.

Poor players, no regrets

To be honest they were not fantastic players they threw away a 15 point lead ok you might all blame mcoist for this they were average players good luck to them anyway they were well overpaid

26 Jun 2012 16:57:02
Reports now Flecks away.

Very sad if true. Rangers pushed the boat out for this boy and his family, a house when he was at school ffs! His performances and general attitude were not anywhere near what had been expected. He's got no real sell on value and it would have been nice to see him to commit to getting the newco going in return for the investment.

Lee Wallace only stayed because he was advised that the non payment to hearts meant there was a real chance his registration could have been blocked if hearts took the matter to FIFA. Big elbows is finished and fancies himself a bear hero.

And the rest...........

What a loss that woul be get him off the wage bill

Is it true greggsie and davis away

FFS fleck another sad scottish press load of crap ,THE SCOTTISH ROONEY LOL He will be playing lower league fitba in 3 years,if hes still playing.............

This is a surprise, I thought he stopped putting in any kind of performance for Rangers about 3 seasons ago!

Probably just as well he would have struggled in Division 3. I hope none of these so called Rangers fans that have had the privilege to wear the blue jersey expect to be welcomed back at Ibrox.

Was he ever here? The guy is gash, if Ian Holloway can't turn him into a player no One will.

There may not be an Ibrox for him to return to, do you really believe Div 3 crowds and prices can pay the bills of a 50,000 seater stadium that is falling to bits ?

Anorak.

"I hope none of these so called Rangers fans that have had the privilege to wear the blue jersey expect to be welcomed back at Ibrox"? I thought ASDA had green uniforms?

Big elbows has only a few years left cant blame the others

Who cares about fleck hes mrder anyway

26 Jun 2012 15:37:41
Bursaspor are looking at American midfielder Maurice Edu whilst Besiktas are showing considerable interest in Scotland goalkeeper Allan McGregor as well as defender Kirk Broadfoot.

Former St Mirren man Broadfoot has also been offered deals by Danish club FC Copenhagen and Cypriot outfit Anorthosis Famagusta.

Really unuseful player on their way...

26 Jun 2012 14:57:25
Jamie Ness is away by the looks of it. STV.

Rangers look after him through all of his injuries and this is how he repays them what a disgrace

SM

Seen this on another site regarding Jamie Ness and just had to laugh

"Cheerio then, Just remember though, this was your chance to shine at a massive club.
Enjoy obscurity and take any like minded a***holes with you please".

Since when has a Newco that isn't in a league been a massive club. Some fans just don't get it do they. No one wants to play for a small club like Sevco 5088 ha ha

Rangers did look after him. But it's not The same club he's walking away from? When will you realise that rangers will soon to be liquidated. He's not walking away from rangers. He's walking away from the new club. Steven Naismith said the same thing. Wake up an realise rangers will be dead soon and it will be a new club. Jesus its not hard.

Go back to the celtic page and stay there. rangers (the football club) ARE a massive club and we will always be bigger and better than you.

i couldnt care less what company is currently in charge of our (most decorated in the world, and counting) football club

watp

Hopefully his new team will have a good doc to look after him

Unfortuntately gers fans are going to get a taste of obscurity themselves, once the show trial is over, the real sentence begins.

Rangers are no longer a massive club and the sooner you come to terms with this the better. Rangers will be playing in front of crowds of 10,000 in division 3 with half price tickets. To put this into a financial perspective, gate receipts will fall from 25 million to 5 million. Deduct SKY, SPL and major sponsors and you lose another 10 million. This puts the turn over at around 15 million as against 45 million. Rangers overheads without players wages is 15 million and they cannot afford to stay at Ibrox.

Rangers are facing extinction and you type WATP !

It is the attitude of fans like you that has destroyed this great institution.

Anorak

If rangers had such a solid following they would have no money worries at all.

18 million in season ticket money - and if that is brought in for next three years - ticketus have a legal claim on it.

lol {Ed039's Note - not if they are pursuing craig whyte)

Ticketus have never been interested in the newco, there is really no need to invent problems, things are bad enough as is. 18 million in season tickets is a fantasy.

Anorak.

I agree anorak the watp brigade used rangers fc as a way of sprouting off bile no wonder nobody wanted to buy us hope they dont follow on to the newco

26 Jun 2012 15:01:00
jamie ness rejects transfer to newco.ssn

What an useful player. He'd be happy to play for Rangers, he's not a good one for top teams

26 Jun 2012 14:18:28
Rumour has it Steven Davis will walk away and join Southampton fc

His agent alegedly has spoken to w ham,norwich,blackburn,birmingham and wolves he is defo offski,.,.kbarry

26 Jun 2012 14:12:28
Jamie Ness is to refuse move to Rangers newco. Further names to be announced this afternoon.

Modern footballers are greedy ,overpaid and egotistical they have short memories

Just great, why couldnt these guys give us another year eh,till we get back on our feet?

Apparently Green sitting on a number of letters.
Time will tell.

There are more than two senior players followed by sally beleive me 2xgkeepers,goin,bocanegra,davis,wallace,the lst goes on its tattybyebyes,.,.kbarry

26 Jun 2012 12:42:49
Does everyone not think we should buy our season tickets at the same price no matter what league we are in if we are in the 3rd so be it a few years of watching rubbish but if we all mucked in it woulf help the club move forward

Andy

Why should we pay 425 pounds to watch div 3 football? Am a normal working rangers fan few hundred a week with two kids who I also take to ibrox... What ever league there playing in I will buy a season ticket but I won't be getting ripped off that simple... Ulster bear

To what end, to subsidise Green and Co taking dividends out and paying SPL salaries to players in Division 1 or 3. Nom the way it works is they can increase price as they deliver results and promotion, not before.

Happy to buy ticket at the same price to help club (1st or 3rd Division) but only if it is going to the Newco and if Green provides clear financial plans for how he is going to take the club forward and details of his backers.

If you lower ticket prices then you will put the newco in administration in jig time,ibrox,murray park,wages,etc cost alo of money.

That would be fine if we had a guy in charge that we could trust, would it go to the club or straight in greens pocket

I'm not sure every Rangers season ticket holder would agree - you obviously have the means but average punter could well do with the reduced fee given how hard the economics are right now.

Maybe they could give the option to pay more if you want to help the club.

Would not advise buying a season ticket before it is at least confirmed that there will be games to actually go to! how confident are you in getting a refund if there is not?

No, but if season ticket is �150 then I'll probably buy it and not go.

Not been to Gers games for a while, but contributed monthly to RFFF and will do so with season ticket for SFL3

Reading your comments yous are begining to sound like a 3rd division team

Good money after bad mate ! It won't be enough. The future is totally grim with stories being uncovered by the week, sometimes daily. I can't see Newco in any league this season.

Lets put it another way, If rangers were offered 3rd tier in England with the chance to move up the leagues but needed the fans backing (season ticket money) would you pay the going rate?

Lets be honest times are hard for the fans just now ive spent thousands following the old rangers im hanging back to see where we will be playing i cant throw away any more money

26 Jun 2012 11:48:31
Now is our time to use Murray park to its full potentiol. I'm no saying the young players coming threw will be the next messi. But reckon they will do a job in div 3 of that's where we are heading. Low wages no luxury players good young blood who will where there heart on there sleeve and give rangers there all. Although very disappointed and sad the way it has turned out it might actually work out well no longer has beens getting a quality wage for basically attending

If we are playing in the lower divisions where is the money and revenue gonna come from to keep places like Murray Park running? Not a chance.

Apparently we have an absolute gem coming through in Lewis McLeod

26 Jun 2012 09:45:02
Lee Wallace has cofirmed that he's joining SEVCO and will report for training Thursday.

Great to see lee staying at gers, superb, hopefully more will stay, WATP

I said months ago anyone under 7k a week would stay, anyone over this would go, naismith, Whittker, Davis, edu, boca, goian, mcshagger, papac are on wages not acceptable for division 3, how would we have been able to afford them guys? No tv money, season tickets down.

Well done to Lee for making that pledge. I won't slag off any player who leaves Ibrox at this moment in time but anybody like Lee who does decide to stay on will go up in my estimation as an individual. BB

Lee wallace may not be playing at any newco latest blow comes in form of raith rovers who have said they will oppose any newco into first division. the bad news keeps coming and i also expect other teams to go the same way. the rangers newco will be ceased in corming days and charles green will go ahead with selling murray park ibrox and also albion car park to developers. new rangers fans should be very worried by this i mean very worried. this has been greens plan all along he knew we wouldnt get back in spl and also it would be hard to get into the sfl. we have been sucked into believing him like we did with s**te i mean whyte.

Is that the Lee Wallace that Hearts never received the transfer money for ? And so it continues .....

Ha - the first player to publicly announce he's staying, is a player you haven't even paid for! Start this new club as you mean to go on, and as you have always done; seeped in ill will.

Maybe it's because, as RFC Oldco didn't pay his transfer fee, if he walked away there's a chance that the SFA might re-register him to Hearts.... remember that every player has to be registered with a "club" of sorts, and that when players are between clubs (or those who walk away) their registration reverts to the SFA.

CB

Sorry that should read: “Lee Wallace decides he’ll never get a better contract than the one he’s on so will sit tight for the next 4 years and pick up �2.9m, thanks very much.”

Since he staying hmmmmm maybe SEVCO will do the honourable thing and pay Hearts the money they are owed from the club who were once know as Rangers, its small touches like this which will make the new club rise from the ashes with the integrity its been lacking up until now.

Hearts were NOT one of Rangers creditors. They must have paid Hearts or it may have been The RFF. {Ed039's Note - They were not a creditor because they were not behind in payments but the next payment would have been due next season, which Hearts will not get)

Very good point. If we are to become a club again pay Hearts the balance after all Green did say he had this mass of investors with significant funds. Start as we mean to go on, if this balance were paid it not only brings a possible increase in respect from the clubs across Scottish Football but may help in bringing the fans back.

One in the eye for the Jambo's though, since they haven't paid for him yet.

No legal right to pay hearts 1 more penny,old club owed the money,its dead, newco nothing to do with it................

26 Jun 2012 09:35:42
Lee Wallace has confirmed he will stay with Rangers and return to training on thursday.

26 Jun 2012 09:05:02
Lafferty is next to go.
Ryzabear

He's one player i'm happy to see going mate.
Dmrangers

Don't septic fans get it, if they don't wanna be here then go, we move on. do we really need these types of player in the 3rd on excessive wages? the only bit that annoys me is they should have gave ally his place by telling him 1st and not finding it out in the press, thats wrong

Lets look at the ones who have decided to go....

Aluko - massive miss
McCabe - couple of games played, would surely have been a big player in the coming years for us. realistically where is his career going to end up now?
Naismith/Whittaker/Lafferty - all picked up huge wages for large parts of last season whilst injured, would it really have killed them to turn up for training on Thursday and put in a transfer request with assurances that a minimal fee would be agreed, thus helping the club move forward....instead they leave as rats from a sinking ship instead of players who the fans would have thought highly of for their actions

"Instead they leave as rats from a sinking ship"

Mate the ship has sunk...but don't worry -there is a new boat!

Hope the new ship has a better captain...

Lafferty going,not all bad news then!!

I would pay lafferty to leave.

26 Jun 2012 01:42:23
Green has lied to you big time
Where and who are these 20 investers
and
Where is this 30 mill he said would be invested in the club after the CVA was settled
these are the 2 questions that need answers, he stated the above was in place to take rangers forward, this guys more dodgier than Whyt

Liquidation saved him �3.5m

It was 20mill he is just another whyte

1.Losing �10m in transfer fees because players are leaving.

2. FIFA tribunal will make them pay �2m to football creditors from Jevalic money transfer money owed by Everton now that Rapid Vienna have lodged official complaint.

3. Estimated only 20,000 season tickets taken up, so that's probably another �10m hole.

3. �2m in SPL/Cup prizes for 2012/13 season they won't earn.

4. �2m-�5m to replace outgoing players with cheaper versions to ensure promotion from whatever league.

5. Unknown drop in TV appearance money for not being in SPL.

6. Loss of gate money from OF games.

7. Reduction in sponsorhip money due to reduced TV appearances.

8. �10m for not appearing in Europe this coming season.

9. SEVCO Paying HMRC and creditors on time to avoid action being taken against them.

When he said he wanted to raise additional �30m it was before he had any of the above to contend with. This is what Brian Miller, Dave King and Walter Smith hinted at when they walked away having looked at the numbers - his model is well and truly screwed by events.

Re football creditors such as Hearts (and especially foreign clubs such as Rapid Vienna).... I wonder if FIFA can insist that Charlie's Newco pay those debts if they want to retain the use of the "Rangers" brand name.

Otherwise it could be "Ibrox FC".

There's something similar about this in insolvency law.

Good example of this is "Airdrie United".

CB

1. Saving wages from players who are leaving evens the score
2. The money due from everton for jelavic doesnt belong to the newco and when recieved will go into the liquidation pot.
3. 20000 season tickets is still more than treble the number of the biggest clubs in SFL and no big wages to pay (see 1.)
4. Outgoing players can be replaced with free transfers and again will be cheaper anyway as the outgoing players are unaffordable.
5. Given, however it's hardly premiership TV rates!
6. So we fill the stadium for most games - what difference do OF games make to us? It's other teams who lose on this score.
7. Possibly, however not as much of a drop as you think. Most sponsors are fans...
8. This was a fact long before Green came along so already known.
9. What HMRC and creditors bills?

If its a different club then why should we pay for Jelavic? Or are we just the same club when it suits others.

20 thousand season ticket holders will do us good in division 3. Shut off 2 stands at Ibrox until we are back in the SPL and if we face any of the SPL clubs in the Scottish or League cup, refuse them tickets.

Why don't you give the man time. He's not long moved assets across to the newco and he's probebly spending more time trying to get voters secured in order to just PLAY football next season, yes we have been screwed about in the past but let him at least try before you hold him against the wall

1. Saving wages from players who are leaving evens the score
2. The money due from everton for jelavic doesnt belong to the newco and when recieved will go into the liquidation pot.
3. 20000 season tickets is still more than treble the number of the biggest clubs in SFL and no big wages to pay (see 1.)
4. Outgoing players can be replaced with free transfers and again will be cheaper anyway as the outgoing players are unaffordable.
5. Given, however it's hardly premiership TV rates!
6. So we fill the stadium for most games - what difference do OF games make to us? It's other teams who lose on this score.
7. Possibly, however not as much of a drop as you think. Most sponsors are fans...
8. This was a fact long before Green came along so already known.
9. What HMRC and creditors bills?

is that Charles Green replying, if not you are are delusional or have your facts so long.

1. Saving wages from players who are leaving evens the score

Answer - eh you're asset twice has reduced!

2. The money due from everton for jelavic doesnt belong to the newco and when recieved will go into the liquidation pot.

FIFA rules can attract fine equivelent  and can be duducted, check FIFA rules.

3. 20000 season tickets is still more than treble the number of the biggest clubs in SFL and no big wages to pay (see 1.)

And your point, still �10m down

4. Outgoing players can be replaced with free transfers and again will be cheaper anyway as the outgoing players are unaffordable.

Wont be of quality to get us promotion.

5. Given, however it's hardly premiership TV rates!

Sow we agreed screwed.

6. So we fill the stadium for most games - what difference do OF games make to us? It's other teams who lose on this score.

eh, 4 largest revenue and profit games of season for RFC

7. Possibly, however not as much of a drop as you think. Most sponsors
 are fans...

yeah right, they do it to take their kids to a home game.

8. This was a fact long before Green came along so already known.

No, Green was gambling on CVA being accepted and being in SPL

9. What HMRC and creditors bills?

EH, the day to day bills that Craig Whyte budgeted not to pay for.

25 Jun 2012 23:49:22
Scotsman carrying story that SPL/SFA/SFL are working on carve-up that will see Rangers fast-tracked to SFL1 next season so that Rangers will be back in SPL within 1 season. Also Dunfermline stating that they should be allowed to stay in SPL and not Dundee.

The only way to sfl1 is getting relagated from the spl. looks like div 3 now ; if we get in that is ; expect a challenge from other clubs, several clubs have stated that any team gaining membership needs 3 years bank accounts under sfl rules, could have to be a take over; maybe a club like spartans for example

According to the BBC, 23 clubs needed to vote newco in to SFL.

Will that many vote for us? BB

RAngers don't exist. For any new company to be fastracked to a higher division must surely be illegal in football terms. UEFA and FIFA surely watching this. Teams like Airdrie too must be monitoring this closely. They missed out on promotoin in a play off and suddenly a brand new team start in the league above them?

They will have to work quicky. Whilst a shake-up is good I don't see why it takes a major club in distress to force the change. I hope "sporting integrity" is forthcoming.

Yes, I can see all kinds of wrangling about that 12th SPL place.

To get into spl anytime soon you're newco will have to firstly be voted into 1st division , have enough players and then actually win the league, no certainty !!

First reply above makes a very good point.

RFC/ Sevco/ Charlie may have to buy either an existing SFL club (like Airdrie did to Clydebank) or perhaps even pull of a neat trick of buying a Junior team (like Spartans) who would fulfill all the SFL requirements including accounts and so perhaps have a better chance of being elected to SFL.

Walter and Jim McColl are very quiet.... perhaps they are looking into buying a club themselves, to re-brand as RFC is Charlie's Sevco don't get into SFL.

In fact, perhaps we could end up with Charlie's RFC (playing at Ibrox, but with few fans and sponsors) and Walter's RFC (renting Hampden, with lots of fans and sponsor goodwill) until Charlie finally agrees to sell-up?

2 RFCs?? I think I need to lie down.

If it is division 3 with poor season ticket sales then Green will sell to Walter, no alternative.

25 Jun 2012 22:29:02
One thing I am unclear about is that if the players' contracts are not transferred under TUPE because they object, are they free agents? If Rangers FC -Oldco- is not yet liquidated, does the liquidator not own the contracts and have an obligation to sell those contracts to pay off creditors.

Who will buy them when they know that in a couple of weeks Rangers will be liquidated, they will have no work to offer the players and the contacts will become void. The players will be free agents. Meantime, if their salaries are not paid by Rangers, then Rangers are in breach of contract and the players become free agents. Doesn't look good, does it?

Any contracts are held by SFA as UEFA/FIFIA governing bodies until such times as they sign for a new club the governing bodies can then make a case for a compensation payment unlikley to be a success though.

The oldco has breached those contracts as it cannot play any team. No stadia, training ground etc....
No money for salaries......
No SPL or euro football....
Being liquidated.....
Stop trying to slither and skulk your way out of it. No numbskulls wracking their brainstorm for spiv crooked ways out...

Don't think it really matters, does it?
Those that feel they need to go, i.e. the highest paid, will leave as we simply can't afford them.
We really need to look at the future here, a new challenge in a lower league with a team we can actually afford.
Would you not be looking for a new job if they slashed your salary cos I certainly would.
These players made the sacrifice a long time ago, expecting to reap the rewards in the new season. That's obviously not going to happen now as we can't afford it.
don't necessarily agree with the way they've done it but not a lot we can do about it now.
Remember, we will have no debt when we start up again.