Rangers Rumours Archive April 25 2012

 

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25 Apr 2012 23:38:56
Now this one is true. Craig Whyte is in Glasgow. I cannot say where but he was flanked by two security people. I am also hearing, and I hope this one isn't true, that McCoist is set to resign.

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I believe this one to be true too. Don't know where he's staying, that's if he is staying in Glasgow overnight, but he has definately been spotted. Not only that, photographers have been spotted on the streets of Glasgow tonight too.

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Maybe up for lunch with regan and ogilvie

Ska bhoy

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25 Apr 2012 23:11:04
I have a friend of a friend of a friend who overheard someone saying they knew BTC was lost and were waiting for the correct time to announce the announcement. To much rubbish and not enough fact in all these so called rumours

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1) If Rangers and HMRC have been informed of the outcome of BTC tribunal then the result is made public 5 days after Rangers are told.

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Not easier to just make an annoucement rather than annouce it lol

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Or five mins after ally is on TV!

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25 Apr 2012 22:45:06
Mccoist to be sacked tommorow @ 11:30 am,
Think that the positive news

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Away and crawl back to ur own timmy! ally's going nowhere u halfwit.

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Who is gonnae sack him! there is no one in charge

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It is illegal to sack anyone at 11:30am on a Thursday.

Try again.

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Yeah that'd be a vote winner. Let's launch the new kit and tell Super Ally "You're Fired" at the same time. I don't think so, do you?

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Thought he was leaving Hmmmmm, more lies, Get back to your own site!

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Till yesterday I thought Ally McCoist had done a great job throughout this whole ordeal for Rangers. He had behaved with a dignity that deservedly got him much credit, under remarkably unique circumstances. Due to which he has essentially added a number of other tasks to his job of manager. Part-time accountant, lawyer, cheerleader, motivator, chief spokesman, figurehead, CEO practically. At anytime during this I would have forgave him a rant at the officials after a game, a rant at the press, Murray, Whyte, D&P, maybe even the players (ie Papac's red card was dumb in any walk of life.) But nope despite a number of poor performances and endless bad news off the park he had remained the calm figurehead arguably keeping a lid on some Rangers fans fury. Then we come to this week, the breaking of ranks with Lafferty, maybe deserved, maybe not, I really don't know. But yesterday, asking for the three SFA panellists to be named, to what end? With what predictable results Ally? An absolute disgrace, he rubber-stamped all Rangers fans frustration and fury on to these people with the disgraceful quote "This particular decision could kill our club". Forget two contracts, an owner who overspent to a ridiculous level, a corrupt owner you wouldn't trust with an ice cream van, 5 potential owners jumping in and out of the hat on a near daily basis because they know how toxic the whole thing is, 276 creditors, debts of potentially £134m, big tax cases, small tax cases, PAYE, Ticketus, Whyte's shares, FORGET ALL OF THAT, because "THIS PARTICULAR DECISION COULD KILL OUR FOOTBALL CLUB" and it's those three people's fault. He has gave license to every frustrated Rangers fan to pour fury, scorn and threats on three people coming into a situation where the patient was already potentially struggling along with a very, very weak pulse. If this was death by a thousand cuts, £160k and a weakened team is a papercut on top of a 10 inch gash in the big picture of things. But the less than even minded idiots who were clearly motivated/inspired by McCoist's witchhunt now have three folk as their targets. Three people whose names McCoist could have found out privately from Rangers representatives at the meeting in a heartbeat might I add. All the clubs agreed to keeping these people anonymous, in any SFA hearing. McCoist stoked the internet trawling for info whereby on late Tuesday night all three names were commonly available to read, career histories and all on at least one Rangers fan site. McCoist had been the calm voice of reason throughout this, yesterday he became the catalyst for the lunatic fringe who threaten, send parcel bombs etc. I don't know if he can sack himself, given all his others jobs who would be left to do so but yesterday he crossed the line and will hopefully look back on this, if he has any brains at all, as a shameful day when he effectively encouraged open season on three people just doing their job.
Gaz {Ed022's Note - Good post mate. Ally was an utter muppet to say what he did, and has potentially put lives at risk.}

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Lennon 2 win manager of the year! Ross county 2 win the spl next season! Celtic to win the cl next season! Messi 2 sign for hibs! Celtic 2 lose a game of football fair and square! I can make up stories aswell!

Bladesy

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Superb post mate. Ally must now go as he has brought the game into utter disrepute and sunk rangers by these disgusting vile words

When will we all get it into our thick skulls SDM AND WHYTE AND THE REST OF THE OLD RANGERS BOARD ARE TO BLAME

Say it with my, believe it, admit it, as only then can we all move on.

Mojo

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Who's making up stories? from what I read the OP is spot on.

Feck97

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Who's making up stories?
gaz is spot on with his comments.

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Potentially put lives at risk....i think thats a bit far fetched mccoist cant account for nutters threatening to kill people over football, he is no worse than the idiot across the city that spouts nonsence every weekend, tell you what SPL would be better off without either half of the old firm, revenue or no revenue there more hassle than thier worth.

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GAz

That has to be one of the best thought out and most balanced post I have seen on here,well done (be prepared for the knuckle draggers to label you a closet Tim lol)

Dannybhoy

(ps the eds right it has potentially put peoples lives at stake,or have you forgotten the lunatic bombmaking fringe?)

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He should be he is a disgrace comming out with his comments about the sfa three man panel.remember he is loading the gun and new what would happen

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So gettign charged 5tiems in 2 seasons, and having an accumlated ban of 14games with possible further sanctions, accusing referees of cheating and just being anti-social isnt bringing the game into disrepute? or do rules apply only to rangers?

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I know ally was defending the club and feelings running high it was a stupid comment he shouldnt have commented hopefully the idiots making threats will be caught and jailed they are not real rangers fans

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To Ed, thanks. To Danny Bhoy, I'm an out in the open Tim as I've declared in here many a time lol. To the guy referencing Lennon's bans, I too think he has over-reacted at times and in the bigger picture of things should also keep his mouth shut at times but there is one difference, over all celtic are on a high right now as much to do with Rangers suffering as with Celtic's successes. Currently, quite rightly, the Rangers support are feeling very frustrated, the two real villains (Murray and Whyte) are well above their reproach. McCoist, with one sentence, passed the buck straight to three folk for only doing what the SFA asked them (judge cases), for only doing what all SPL/SFL clubs asked them and doing so with the understanding that they remain anonymous, their impartiality was the key to their inclusion in the first place. McCoist jeopardised all of that, added it to the conspiracy theory and ulitmately gave some idiots license to go looking for the names of these people. I see today he says he is "disgusted" with threats being made to them, what did he expect his comments to do bar add fuel to the fire of an already enraged minority of Rangers fans? Poor, poor leadership at a time when he should know better is required and that ultimately these people had no real input in Rangers woes.
Gaz

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Sorry Mojo forgot to agree with you in my last post, maybe its the name lol. You are a 100% on the money, Rangers fans don't need nor deserve any finger-pointing at anyone bar Murray and Whyte for the current goings on.
Gaz

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Walking away?

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Ally will resign my uncle john is a major shreholder and players being told tonight will be on 6pm stv news

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25 Apr 2012 21:58:55
Positive news to be announced tomorrow before close of the business day. My source works in Rangers media department and has been called in late this evening to organise press release.
No idea what it is, I won't even kid on I do, but he has been told to "get ready for a long awaited positive day".

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Ally resigns.

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I hope your right mate. We need something positive

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SFA intimidation

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Craig whytes shares are not valid these have been awarded to ticketus who r willing to release them for 15 mil and will accept 10 mil over 10 years interest free. Carlsberg don't do rumours but if they did.........

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Releasing pictures of the new kit,nothing too special

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New home strip getting released tomorrow that's what it will be.

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It will prob just be to reveal the new kit...

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If there's any significant positive news it should break long before close of business tomorrow - don't you think??

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BTC Win

see I can be silly too!

bill72

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We've won BTC

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Probably being told he is getting paid this month.

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Got to laugh at the guy...SFA intimidation...look at that word inTIMidation...enjoy bears! ace

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Aye shock news rangers agree to pay their dues and play by the rules. Sounds far fetched but it might happen.... Doubt it.

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You mean you might have won the appeal (FTT) owe 'just' £24m?

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Won the Spanish lottery? Nigerian prince wants to deposit money in RFC account?

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I hope it is TBKs being announced as the prefered bidder with Ticketus fully on board, and a committment from CW to sell his shares for a pound.

Their offer will form the CVA and it will be submitted to the creditors as soon as the BTC debt is formalised.

And then you wait with your fingers crossed and hope CW knows more about HMRC and CVAs than you do.


Its not too fanciful, call it my rumour.

D&P.

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I,ll give ye a few facts Alex Tomo tweets:Rather more significant than being naughty about a referee ,one would have thought.I,ll ask SFA when i,ve a moment.I,ll will of course ask the Police too.Scottish journalists reporting on mccoists antics are getting it.Can ye ban a manager for life too?.WATP eh?You def are

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This is indeed gravely serious. People are posting/ tweeting that McCoist should have his SFA Managers License revoked. I don't think he is fit and proper to be a Manager in Scotland now. He should be hit in the pocket punitively also.

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Resigning from SPL with immediate affect and good on them been shouting for this for a month glad to hear they have come to their senses

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25 Apr 2012 20:03:44
Have no idea of the significance (if any) but on the 18:30 Kings Cross to Edin Wav - Paul Murray joined train at Peterborough

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I have just read on Celtic Rumours the names of the SFA panel have become public and that one member has recieved threats - if this is so, I can only ask ALLY MC COIST who do you think was to blame for that?

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Ow shut up, there is one word that you use there "Rumours" Prove that they are the pepole and that they have recieved threats, you just trying to make it look like Rangers fans Threaten everyone, Also Ally would not be to blame as they would have always released the names, the punishments as disgrace, so stick to your own site and stop trying to sir things here.

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Resign ally you are an idiot!

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To the above reply, he probebly thinks the same as all the timmms when 3 of our top referees have been subjected to death threats and had there homes attacked. but thats ok cause they deserved it....clown.

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New rangers strip out tomorrow ......via ranger home page

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Police investigating threats to sfa directors and judiciary panel members as much as the decision was shocking and i disagree with it there is no way that they should be recieving these threats i for one hope that if it is true then the police catch them and bring the culprits in front of the courts and serious sentences are handed out. i for one think the decision will be overturned on appeal so to all fellow gers fans do not resort to these childish acts by criminals they are sad pathetic and have no place in society.

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You know this is why the some people on these sites devalue them - so far 3 unbelievable - how the f5ck could you possible know - ridiculous - I can see him and his quiff

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What has all this guff got to do with the original post?

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SSN: Police are investigating threats against SFA Board members and members of Judicial Panel.
You telling me that this is a coincidence. The names wouldn't have been published normally, hence Ally demanded them.
Little Prick, hope he's proud of himself.

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To one and all I simply reported what I had read on the Celtic Rumours page - what an over-reaction from Rangers fans - kinda sums them up!

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Heard the new top is camouflage? Craig whyte spotted in ibrokes sporting it?

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Good to see the celtic fans out in force blaming mccoist for the threats. I take it every celtic manager and player who has claimed referees are biased over the last 100 years are personally responsible for the assaults of referees (Sir Hugh Dallas) or the death threats officials have received from your fans?

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..This would not be an issue if these things were done in the open instead of in secret behind closed doors....secrecy breeds suspition also the fact that they have gone overboard with the punishments which i,m not even sure are allowed in the rules is a factor in all of this....Rangers fans have been getting shafted by the last two custodians of our club and like most other fans i,m feeling like we are getting shafted by the sfa yet again...WE HAVE PAID OUR DUES AS FANS...they should be going after Murray and Whyte not the Rangers that is clear of these leeches...

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One member of judiciary panel receiving advice from police regarding suspicious packages.Is this really what Rangers fans want?.

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Thats it gers fans,keep up the blame game,in the mean time inocent people are being hurt in the cross fire.No one is to blame for your plight but yourself 2 decades of miss-managment 10 for every 5 spring to mind.

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Can someone ask tommy how rangers FANS are responsible for any of the problems with the club? How did we cheat? What did we lie about? Hmmmmmmmm??

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Fools rush in where angels fear to tread mate.

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To be honest the gers fans are not responsible for the situation ! as much as we enjoyed seeing the elite on the park its the backroom who have stiffed and waylaid pounds for the past !!! many years and cu"" whyte has decided that there is millions to be gained through working class peoples misery

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Fans arent to blame. Club are. No distinction.

Should the club be able to do whatever it likes without reproach and not be held accountable because that would be punishing the fans? Dont talk mince man.

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No way!!! A train! That is a sure sign the rangers are to be saved

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Do you think the sfa will be intimidated into overturning their decision.

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Peterborough is not Monaco but it will do, beggars cant be choosers.

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The SFA's decision will be overturned - at least in part - due to the inconsistencies in it's findings. In essence the main points that were deemed 'not proven' call into question the other penalties particularly the transfer embargo. If it hasn't been proven that the club brought the game into disrepute then how can the other charges be so penal? Even the similar charge against Craig Whyte wasn't proven which further calls into question the embargo. The cash penalties were what's known as being near 'top end' of the scale but not the maximums. I would suggest that these inconsistencies will be founded upon in oue appeal.

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25 Apr 2012 18:41:51
is the transfer embargo unfair,no it isnt yous havent paid for any players in full for years,now yous are caught out yes caught out,its aw this were rangers s@@T dont punish us dont dare,what do you expect to get off scot free,i hope the spl give you the punishment that theSFA didnt give yous, 1 question do yous think you shoould be able to sign players,unhappy hearts fan (LEE WALLACE) ffs {Ed022's Note - I personally think to punish Rangers as they have done is just ridiculous. They're struggling enough as it is and don't need more worries placed on top of them. The club has been run into the damn ground because of some silly little boys trying to play big time, and I'll just say that as a fan of the game it is awful to see such a big club see potential liquidation. Perhaps you don't feel that way as a Hearts fan, but nevertheless, I don't want to see ANY club in such hardships, because it's the fans that suffer the most.}

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& Hearts are a pillar of the football community??

Step back & just have think - if your capable?

bill72

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The Sfa have been far too lenient.

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Mate, you are obviously a very angry wee man and if your wish does come true and we end up either out of the game or league you can say goodbye to your wee club for starters, if you think for one minute that the SPL will survive without Rangers you must be on drugs. cause

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Ed, are you really saying (what every rangers fan seems to think) that everyone should back off and leave you alone because your struggling ? that the proper authorities should either leave you alone or at least wait until your in a better place to deal with whatever may be coming your way ? that everyone should be doing everything they can to HELP you during these difficult times ?
unbelievable truly astonishingly unbelievable........

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Rich to hear a hearts fan back the spl.

as if they get the new rules in next year hearts will be in trouble, as not paying ur players on time will hit them, just as hard as were being hit just now,

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Well Said edd, I think pepole like this try to wind the fans up, and if he cares to actually look into it, Rangers are not behind in Wallaces payments, Installments are being paid and your club got caught out on Taxes so what makes you so much better Hmmm?

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Hearts signing players then being late paying there wages... Craig Beattie... Pot, kettle?

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Nobody pays for players in full! Try get a brain 1st before ou come on here!!

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It was the greedy EBT directors players and managers past and present that have bled rangers dry - who are they? perhaps ally will tell us, we all have the right to know, who are they ally? speak up ally we cant hear you or are you walking away from the questions?.

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Remember the new firm, remember third lanark. You would quickly become a historical reference and someone else would fill your shoes within 2 years

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Yes the transfer embargo is unfair ! . . Im not sayin Rangers shouldnt be punished because the rules were broken ( by Whyte not by Rangers ) but he does represent the club in these affairs so we are culpable. I feel the SFA should have imposed some other form of punishment. What punishment you ask? im not sure, in imposing this ban they have effectively hindered our clubs attempts to rebuild assuming we exit administration. . Thats why in my opinion this ban is completely unfair. My final point in relation to your post is that you are quick to criticise others but there was no single post from you when Mad Vlad was refusing to pay the Hearts players and the SFA were about to take action.

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"The club has been run into the damn ground because of some silly little boys trying to play big time" .... what utter guff . aw poor rfc . spent years lording it over others and we might punish them becuase they are struggling aw diddums. if the sfa back down now we all might as well chuck it. personally i think they will shorten the ban to 6 months . still bottling as far as im concerned,

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The fans do suffer the most Ed but there werent many Rangers fans crying foul play during the good years when the original offences were commited (or at least the groundwork for the offences punished in this case).

I think the punishment makes sense. Imagine how much more embarrassing for Scottish football it would be if Rangers were to agree to a pence in the pound CVA or liquidation asset sale which in both cases leads to the people owed money getting next to nothing. Then spending millions on players in the summer (assuming any new owner has some actual money).

Whyte is getting blamed for everything but Murray is behind the problems of RFC. They were already heading for administration. I think Whyte decided to take a gamble, pay the pound, make sure he didnt stand to lose anything, then hope for a miracle run in Europe.

Mac {Ed001's Note - to be fair, the fans are too busy celebrating and enjoying the trophies in good times. Murray had led them to believe that he would bankroll it, so that this could never happen. That he would cover any spending. You don't see Chelsea, Man City, Malaga, PSG or Real Madrid fans complaining about their spending beyond their means? But what would happen if the Spanish government stopped rescuing Madrid? If the next time their debt became unmanageable they didn't pay ridiculously over the odds to buy their old, decrepit training ground, and give them a brand new, bigger, better one too? That is why I keep going on about Murray, there is only one man who spent too much, the man who pretended he would bankroll all spending. Because of him, Rangers are now in major trouble, while he is still extremely wealthy and in no danger of knowing what it is like to go without. At least the Man City owners have tried to spend on the infrastructure of the club, so that it can stand on its own two feet in the future.}

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" Ed022's Note - I personally think to punish Rangers as they have done is just ridiculous."

Ed022 , Rules were broken , punishments were dealt . Not even full punishment . Expulsion was an option (check the rules ) but the SFA went lightly on RFC . Look at the transfer ban ; A transfer ban on a team that (A) can't sign players because it's in administration anyway and (B) not only doesnt have any money , but could have debts north of 120m
If that debt forces liquidation , the 160,000 fine won't be paid either . That to me looks like very little punishment at all .

jimi88

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Well said Jambo.......
Ed as for your comments, it's been coming for a long time. As a football fan what was your thoughts when Sir Dave made the statement towards Airdrie? When he stated business is business.
At last the SFA act.

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I'm struggling to see anything resembling a rumour here.

think you must be looking for the rangersrant.co.uk

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"Nobody pays for players in full! Try get a brain 1st before ou come on here!"

Only Rangers dont feel the need to pay in full mate. Some teams pay in installments but they ALL pay what they have committed to pay. While they are handing out brains you may want to join the cue.

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Scottish football needs rangers, but its needs a rangers that sets a high moral standard on and off the park, there has to be some form of penalty[ies] for the actions of those who acted in rangers name before and after the takeover. it's the fans who are hurting, although they are innocent of any wrong doing, which is why they are angry with the sfa. But the sfa had no choice but to act, given the circumstances. can anyone suggest what penalty[ies] should be applied. I hope you stay in the spl league whatever happens.

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If duff & phelps were doing their job properly the club could have been sold weeks ago!! they taking their time........WHY? Any other club that went into admin had players sacked within 72hrs but NO not rangers the fans couldn't / didn't want that and after three weeks and £750,000 more pounds down the black hole they eventually started to get somewhere and from then on it has been stall after stall. DIV 3 HERE YOU COME!!

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Can understand our Hearts fan from the point that too many people associated with RFC seem to think that they can drive a no 54 bus through all and any rule book/laws and everyone else should turn a blind eye and wipe the slate clean. I can feel sorry for the genuine fans [to an extent] but no one was moaning when the old regime was spending money like confetti and keeping most of this hidden from the taxman. To an extent the fans get the club they deserve. Unrealistic expectations [of keeping up with the big boys of Europe] has driven a corporate strategy of keeping the punters happy at any cost. That cost could and frankly should be appropriately high. My final point is that it is not just RFC who are bust - the game in Scotland is too - the product is c**p and we know it. Fans are voting with feet as might SKY, whether RFC are in the 3rd Div or not next year!

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Ed001 I agree that the fans are busy celebrating during the good times but fans of other clubs were looking at the situation (myself included) scratching our heads at how the hell they were managing to afford it.

Hugh Adam came out a decade(!) ago to say that Murray was leading the club towards bankruptcy and he sold all his shares in the club very accurately predicting that they would become worthless. No-one paid the slightest bit of attention to him.

Fergus McCann took over at Celtic and while Murray was giving it his "for every £5 they spend we'll spend £10" schtick he said he wouldn't spend at unsustainable levels. Instead of being applauded the media derided him for a "biscuit tin" mentality. A lot of Celtic fans taken in by this succulent lamb journalism actually boo'd McCanneven though surely everyone can see the wisdom in hindsight.

I agree to an extent about PSG et al but at least they play in decent leagues with decent revenue streams (their spending is still ridiculous mind you). If Rangers or Celtic fail to get a decent run in Europe their revenue is paltry.

For me these two contrasting facts encapsulate the problem with the custodians of Rangers:

When Gordon Strachan took over at Celtic he was forced by the board to shed 60% of the wage bill, much of which was invested in the youth/training setup AFTER Rangers had won the league the previous season. The benefits of this approach are beginning to show with the likes of Forrest and the other youth prospects about to break through for Celtic. (U19 double winners and beat Man City U19s home and away in the next gen series).

When HMRC began investigations into the EBT schemes in 2008 and when they warned Rangers of the amount they were going to be persuing them for in 2010 what did Rangers do? Did they tighten their belts, sell off some of the playing staff and start preparing for the possibility of a massive tax bill? No, they spent £4 million on Jelavic and carried on as normal because the thought of losing to Celtic was more important to them than the survival of the club.

Mac {Ed001's Note - but all of it was led and controlled by Murray, so he is the one at fault. It would have been very easy for him to rein in spending, just had to say the money wasn't there. What kind of businessman is he? But then it doesn't really matter to him, he is not being held accountable now by anyone.}

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Ed It was being controlled by Murray but he had a whole boardroom full of people who's legal obligation is to ensure the financial wellbeing of the company. If Murray wasnt having his balls licked by the sycophants in the Scottish media then the average Rangers fan would have had a far better idea of what was going on at their club. Traynor and co are just as responsible for the perpetuation of the 'we are the people we are above the law' attitude as the 140 years of Rangers history.

It should have been made clear at the start to Rangers fans that Whyte was a venture capitalist taking a long odds punt but instead he was hailed as the "billionaire saviour" with "wealth off the radar" (Keith Jackson Daily Record).

Murray was basically a megalomaniac but not only should the board have kept him in check but a healthy media would have shown him for what he was a decade ago.

Mac {Ed001's Note - I do agree with you there.}

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To say "yous" (nice grammar!) haven't paid for players is a riduclous statement to make, you have obvoiously missed the full statement from administrators stating that rangers do owe approx £3.5m for players to other clubs but at the same time are owed £3.8m from players sold, a commen occurence for most football clubs. The failure to pay PAYE etc is the main point, all the employees were decducted this from their wages so the problem has been the people at the top making this idiotic decision. Unfortnately Rangers name has been tarnished by the decisions made by a handful of people, who told us that they had the clubs best interests at heart (one of many, many lies).

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Rangers are owed money for players but none of it is overdue. The money Rangers owe for players is either overdue or will become overdue as they haven't the means or inclination to pay it. Its not the same situation at all.

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I cant even read this its like an oor wullie book

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You must be a jambo fi the west. us fi auld reekie widnae use the word yous. yous is a weedgie slang word ken whit i mean.

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You can't surely expect to be unpunished? Do you? Come on ED002 take a look from a neutral angle, your club cheated and should be punished! because it is rangers doesn't mean there should be an amnesty.. does it? {Ed001's Note - it was Ed022 and he is not a Rangers fan, he didn't even know the ins and outs, just what little is reported elsewhere.}

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What sort of punishment do you think they should get then Ed (posted this before but was never displayed) {Ed022's Note - I've done some more research into this and I have to withdraw my previous comment. I'd say this punishment is as good as it gets for Rangers.}

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Interested to know ED what you think would have been a fitting punishment for a Club that breached so many rules and could have been booted out of Scottish football for the undisputed breaches of rules that they were party to! Please answer ED! {Ed022's Note - See previous answer.}

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Eds022 note so what do you feel would be a fair punishment for a Club who have broken so many rules ? some of which could have seen them booted out!! {Ed022's Note - See previous answer.}

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Ed read the punishments given out to 10 clubs including Fc Zurich Xamax and 8 other clubs fielding ineligible players on financial mismanagement not cheating by the swiss fa and tell me rfc have been hard done by?Yer lucky the SFA hadn,t their baws or you,d be dead already.Shocking response {Ed022's Note - I suggest you silence your damn bigotry. I've researched this in further detail and I realise my response was incorrect, but don't try and have a mass argument with me because you'll just get put in your place.}

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Lee wallace,s first installment on transfer fee was paid on time and next payment isnt due until the summer...which will be paid along with all other football debts.

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OK have Wallace back then as we can't afford him. Just remember to give us back the £700k we have already paid for him....

Oh thats right Hearts don't have £700k. Maybe should be thankful that we funded you this season.

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Why would they hand back money wallace been playing all season or was it just a loan deal you muppet , so now its hearts fault

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Yes Hearts should be delighted that the mighty Glasgow Rangers deigned fit to donate 700k to their insignificant little club for their Scotland left back.

Bend the knee and shut your mouths peasants, We'll do as we damn well please because we are the people.

Sound familiar? Yet Rangers fans cant understand why everyone else in football wants them punished.

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25 Apr 2012 17:12:37
Heard that the BLUE KNIGHTS are
too pull out off the running for
Rangers, Murray has been directed
by Park and Co. that the adverse
publicity of the boycotts and the
issues relating to the sanctions
make it to much of a risk to carry
on any further, they will leave the
way clear fro Miller to finalize his
bid if he is still wanting to
continue.....not looking good at all.
Watch for news in the next 24 hours.

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Does anyone think that if rangers were liquidated we may get more / different interested parties. People who may feel better placed to bid without taking the blame from fans? Just a thought.

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Sanctions for Park and co. What the hell are you talking about. Jog on pal and muckrake somewhere else.

Gers1986

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Source please? NO source NO Belief

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And your source is ? mischeif making again methinks. {Ed022's Note - What gives it away?}

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This March on Saturday is a disaster just waiting to happen. 5 seconds after the start, there will be all the "Billy Boys" and other old sectarian songs. I also note from some sites there seem a few intent to cause 'bother'. A PR nightmare for the Club which only gives Ranger's enemies more ammunition. And to achieve what?? The SFA offices are closed on Saturdays!

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Oh well if that's what ya "heard" it must be true eh ?
PaulRFC {Ed022's Note - It's practically gospel mate.}

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Your a joke m8 ,what a lot of sH** {Ed022's Note - You're*}

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No one said sactions again Park and CO, numbenut....
Read it again slowly now.....
It reads Marray has been advised/directed by Park & Co that due to the adverse publicity, i.e from the Boycotts & the veiled threats on many sites to the actions taken by the footballing authorities that they should pull back from the race for a final time.
Source - inside Daily record.....in the next 24 hours it will break.

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If true not surprised, once the CVA process gets under way the new owners will be accused no doubt of not putting enough into the pot to cover the smaller creditors. The creditors meeting for example will be a media circus and any new owner will find themselves under attack and scrutiny from the beginning in what will be a thankless task. Will be a media circus more than we've had so far. New owners will not want their existing businesses tarnished with the bad publicity of being associated with the toxic circus know as RFC In Administration. {Ed001's Note - depends on how they work the media. They could easily point out that, without them, the creditors would get even less.}

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'What the hell do you mean' lets not prevaricate here; others will react against businesses associated with Rangers FC if the 'so called Rangers fans groups' who are presently encouraging fans to withdraw from normal commercial relations with legitamate businesses, for example, car dealerships, and so on.
These 'so called fans leaders' are unelected and may cause more damage to the good name of Rangers as they seek their own self-serving agendas by encouraging decent Rangers fans to boycott companies who have nothing at all to do with what has been percieved to be punitif sanctions by some of the Clubs fans. Punitif or not these sponsors of sport has helped every club in Scotland including yours and their continued support will help Rangers recover from this dark time in their history. It sickens me, and no doubt will sicken everyone who enjoys sport for sports sake to think that Hearts and Hibs greatest day (for one Club at least) will be spoiled by Rangers fans futile protestations at Hampden Park during the Scottish Cup final. The sporting world will condem Rangers for such an action.

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Yeah let's not ruin anyones cup final. That is not what our club wants to be associated with.

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Rangers fan here no way do i want anything to do with this protest its a crazy idea why spoil hearts and hibs day we would be hated forever boycott this stupid march

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25 Apr 2012 15:01:42
just seen on bbc2 politics scotland that donald trump said at the end of his enquiry about the wind farms that he might buy rangers fc.

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Doubt that mate. Wee white lie by any chance? Trump doesn't know what to be at. He's got this Golf course up in sheep country, all his businesses in America and is always looking for publicity. He even went to WWE wrestling a few years back for it. Next...

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Is he going into a consortium with Elvis, Bill Gates and Jacko?

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Aye but he said it would be after he gets a decent haircut, so we can forget this rumour lol

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Ha. That would be funny as f@*k if that bawbag got Rangers. I imagine that before long the Albion car park would be turned into a golf resort and the team's name would be changed to the Glasgow High Fives.

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No chance. he knows there is more wind coming from ibrox than there is coming from the windfarms.

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I'd rather the club died than let that tosser anywhere near it!

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My cousin told me that a told him ae f*** off as I thought he was at it , was he joking or what ?

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Ha, it'll be a hell of a small golf course will it not?

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Enought trumpets at ibrox without adding another with a dodgey hair cut

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If he thinks wind farms are an eyesore, wait until he sees Govan.

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Think he was having a dig at Alex Salmond that it was the only place where wind farms aren't needed.

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I seen that also, but I can't help but sense a slight hint of sarcasm when he said "I'll be thinking about it".

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I think you are clutching at wigs.

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I'm putting up 2 25kw turbines, planning all sorted and the wildlife study is complete. Took me 2 1/2 years to get the thing sorted out so I imagine Trump will be bored by then and head back up to Aberdeen to annoy them again.

CC

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And the team.

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Donald chump - surely not after some cheap publicity ?

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They could play 11 holes

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Haha Bears, someone is pulling the 'wig' over your eyes, why would he throw good money away on you lot at Ipox, unless of course, it was to demolish everything and build a smaller building for Third Division readiness. {Ed022's Note - Now now ladies...}

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What have we become!

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More hot air

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25 Apr 2012 13:09:58
All this talk that Rangers should not have been, nor indeed punished in the future, for the actions of Craig Whyte are just nonsense. Even Ally McCoist is coming out ranting at the SFA and anyone else saying the same thing. 2 points. Whyte was Rangers chairman when he committed these offences and he & the club HAVE to be punished. And secondly, if it is down to one individual rather than an entity, why then are Duff & Phelps pursuing this court case for £25million and doing so not from Whyye and ex director Gary Withey but rather from Withey's former employer Collyer Bristow, saying they are liable as he was working for them at the time he brokered the takeover? I know, incredible to think there are double standards at play with Rangers eh?

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The way I look at it is the old board voiced their concerns over the Craig Whyte takeover and the SFA did nothing over course Rangers will have to pay for what Craig Whyte has done but the timing and the severity of these sanctions could very well kill the club completely - I don't remember Gretna, Motherwell Livingston etc being dealt with in this way and I also see the FA in England bending over backwards to help Portsmouth. If they want Rangers to die as I believe a lot of people do then say it. I will never forget nor forgive how the SFA and other clubs have treated us with such hatred.

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No one is saying rangers and craig whyte shouldnt be punished, they are complaing about the level off punishment.

no one is complaining about the fines, it is the player embargo that is out of order.

the players and the fans didnt do anything wrong in this, the players all had the paye taken of their wages it was craig whyte that didnt pay it to HMRC as he should have,

rangers will have to sell the big players to survive, but they will have to be able to buy less high earning players to replace them to field a team to complete their fixtures, if they cant do that then they will go to the 3rd division even if they get a CVA agreed and dont newco,

plus craig whyte aint getting punished, as he said the ban means nothing to him and the SFA cant legally collect the money from him, so what punishment is he actually getting as the SFA will never see the 200k

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Utter rubbish its the fans and the players who are suffering most from these punishments not and i repeat NOT the guilty parties,i agree they SHOULD be very heavily punished and assets taken from THEM to pay off the debts but tell explain to me why the fans who have paid up front for tickets to games plus all the clubs merchandise over the years suffer in this way,,we paid our waY TO NOT JUST rANGERS BUT TO ALL THE OTHER CLUBS WHO HAVE CAME UP AGAINST US IN THE PAST,,AND PLEASE DONT MENTION PAPER BOYS AND BLOODY FACE PAINTERS AGAIN

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Do you even know what "entity" means?

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As it is the solicitors firm that holds the authority to practise, and they have an obligation to ensure all individuals within the firm act properly. In the case of Rangers, Craig Whyte in ultimately in control of the actions, when chellanged by other directors, they were sacked.

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You are so wrong! Craig Whyte did all his wheeling and Dealing behind the backs of Rangers FC, and the fans backs. I admit David Murray has some serious questions to answer, but it is Whyte who should be ultimately liable for any penalties not RFC!

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This may be extreme but here goes.
Would the OP blame the people of Iraq for the atrocities commited by Sadam Hussain and his orders?
Had Whyte been rightly told thanks but no thanks last may, would this have happened? I think not.
Only in military law is it legal to be tried twice.
The SFA & SPL should have one disciplinary body, the whole thing is a farce, yes we as a club should be punished, but only if it fits the crime, in this case it does not.
As for Withey, he had the Authority of Coyler and Bristow to proceed in something which may turn out to be an illegal action, Totally different from a club going through administration with economic,employment and the little matter of the future of Scottish football as we know it.
Rangers as a club have been kicked and hung out to dry by the majority of so called executives governing our game.
This will not be forgotten and if anything, if we do manage to come through this, will make us even more determind to succeed.
And to all who wish us ill. GIRFUY
BR {Ed001's Note - how is it not fitting to the crime? Rangers have not paid money owing to other clubs, how can they then be allowed to spend money on players until that is paid back?}

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When rangers were winning all the trophys.it was commom knoledge,they were 70 to 80 million in debt.was any fans bothered the truth is no,so stop bleating ,that evry one is against you,pay up or shut up and give us some peace,conspirices,dont make me laugh. TOM THE TIM,

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I will say it once again Dundee FC faced a 12 month embargo on signing players when they went into administration!

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It is ridiculous to say that one or two people are wholly to blame and 'the Club' is innocent. RFC as a concept is indivisible from the organisation through which it operates. Nobody comes out of this squeaky clean.

The playing staff were quite happy on fat salaries when the club had an annual operating deficit of over £10m and couldn't pay anyone outside from the taxman to the newsagent. The fans were quite happy in the bubble of success they demanded, but which success was at the cost of the public purse and everyone else.

The Club and organisation must accept it's wrong-doings and punishments. To date the punishments seem fairly lenient to me unless yez were planning on fobbing-off the public purse with a pittance them going out to spend more (and thus not really solving catastrophic operating deficit and landing yersels back in Admin).

Take it on the chin. I think fans from all the other clubs (down to my own, East Fife) are getting sick to the back-teeth of the 'wisnae me' Bears at the moment.

Also stop and have a wee think about the millions of pounds Rangers have defrauded from everyone in the country and try to have some humility FGS.

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I got to be honest here and say like all of my fellow bears I thoroughly enjoyed the run when we were blowing everyone out of the water, including top flight English clubs, to sign top quality players.

At the time I was unaware that we were not actually able to afford all the success that we were having but I could not have cared less as we lived the dream and chased the ultimate dream i.e. the Champions League.

With the value of hindsight I wish that this period had never occured but I can see why we have to pay for it now.

I believe that anything we are hearing from the club through the media is simply trying to attain the best possible out of a bad situation and I would not expect anything different.

It may be a long road back but we will get back eventually and we will find out who the true fans are along the way.

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The fans might be unhappy but its not them being punished. The fines have been given to Rangers and Craig Whyte not the fans. Their not being band from supporting their team. Rangers have benifited from the actions of Whyte with playing staff (Wallace, Bedoya, Cellik, etc) that they should not have had cos they cant afford them. A ban on signing players after the willful actions taken in the transfer market in the last two transfer windows is fair. Its a bit like Germans blaming Hitler. Yes he's to blame, but you cant escape your own responsibility

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So you think if cw wont pay the fine thats the end of the matter. i dont think so. that will fall back to the rundown club HE OWNS.

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I agree with the OP - it's ridiculous to suggest that there is some distinction between the actions of the majority shareholder who is running the business and the business itself. The SFA are rightly punishing the club (not the fans). If this puts your club in a precarious position - blame the people running it - not the SFA.

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Ive been following this site from the start of the admin process and id just like to say - ED whos side are you on your meant to be a moderator ive witnessed two of your replies to talk today that seem to imply a slight bias in my eyes - btw just outta interest are you the ED moderating on the celtic rumours site as well ?? {Ed001's Note - I am an editor. I am certainly not a Celtic fan thank you very much. I am a Liverpool fan. You are putting your own bias on others I am afraid, I get accused of being a Rangers fan on the Celtic site, a Newcastle fan on the Sunderland one, a Sunderland one on the Newcastle fan etc etc. I edit all the sites as Ed001.}

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Why not mention paper boys and face painters, do they not deserve to be paid. It is the creditors who are being short changed not the fans. The fans paid for tickets and got to see matches, they paid for replica kit and got to wear it. The paper shop sold papers and didn't get paid and the face painter is the same. These guys are the injured parties, they are the people stolen from.

The same applies to teams who sold us players we did not pay for, clubs who we sold tickets for and didn't pass on the money and HMRC who we didn't pass on monies to. So if its all right with you (and even if it isn't) I will continue to mention some of our small creditors who will take hits that will do them great financial harm, after all it is the treatment of these people which is most shameful of all!

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First and foremost Rangers are a business.
If you have enough money you can go out and buy any business you like, piss of the authorities that rule the field the business is in so that you get banned, cause the company to go bust, cause all the customers to be gutted and all the staff to lose their jobs. Effectively that's what Craig Whyte has done. So far he hasn't been found to break any lawas he's just pissed his business up the wall. Yes you guys as customers suffer but ultimatley he owns the club and can do what he likes.

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So you think if cw wont pay the fine thats the end of the matter. i dont think so. that will fall back to the rundown club HE OWNS.
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actually it wont, as has already been reported in the press, he may own rangers but he is not actually an offical of rangers therefor the SFA have no way of passing the fine onto rangers,

this is the same problem they have with romanov at hearts he owns hearts but not being an offical of the clubs means he flants all types of sfa rules and fine and teh SFA cant legally get the money.

they are planning to change the rules on this next year but by then it will be to late to claim off rangers or hearts for the fine of whyte and romanov.

so the SFA will not see that 200K ever.

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If an owner's money can buy success for you (the fans and the players) be it at Man City, Chelsea, Rangers (under Murray in the earlier years) then surely the same club, same fans and same players suffer under a bad, corrupt, incompetent regime.
As for Gers 1986, clearly stop looking at it that way because it is doing you no favours regards accuracy and facts. A number of the sanctions imposed do not compare to Gretna, Motherwell, Livingston, the non payment to Dundee Utd and PAYE for example, so please stop comparing it to other examples of administration within Scottish football. As to your other point about the Rangers board being against Whyte, SIX members of Murray's board told him not to deal with him, all fell on deaf ears. So due diligence on Whyte was either done and ignored or Murray had some other agenda. Regards the SFA/SPL requirements of him being "fit and proper" surely if he has the backing of a premier Scottish businessman and knight of the realm the powers that be can be forgiven for thinking (after endlessly claiming so) that David Murray had thoroughly checked him out and wouldn't sell Rangers to someone who wont take the club forward.
Another small point regards the timing of the sanctions, one Rangers supporters body is moaning it should have been done earlier, another asked why wasn't it delayed till later? Cant stick to the same hymn sheet for five minutes you lot and that is part of the problem, People's Front of Judea spring to mind immediately.
Gaz

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When the f*** is this all going to end,are rangers or any club above the law.Should clubs not be punished for breaking rules,i am a tim, and like most have had a good dig at many of my rangers friends[my brother included]about rangers current situation,and i'm hoping everything gets sorted out for the gers soon.But over the past week or so some of the s**te and bile i have heard and read leaves me to think scottish football would be a better place without the gers,van guard bears website just know sums up the mood and moronic thoughts of diluded masses,and fat sally demanding the sfa panel members be named,should be ashamed,these people have famileys like you or me,and in light of the recent neil lennon incident,it does not take a brain of britain to imagine what may happen if these peoples names were made puplic.But that is the seige mentality hovering over ibrox at the moment,being driven by rangers media outlets.Its time for people to GROW UP and start acting like human beings.

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Listen carefully i shall say this only once! again!!, to the guy who keeps harping on about dundee getting a 12 month transfer ban - lies lies lies and i quote
"On 1 November 2010, Dundee were given a record 25-point deduction by the SFL as punishment for going into administration for the **second time in seven years**. This was enforced alongside a ban on signing any new players **whilst still in administration**"
Rangers have been hit with a timeframe wether they are still in admin or NOT - so its not the same sanction. You can thank me for clearing that up if you like, and to clear another point up they landed in admin because of the same reason unsustainable spending. So lets stop the fibs about rangers being an exlusive case admin is admin no matter how you get there

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If cw does not pay the fine. it will be deducted from any prize money rangers get. article 97.2 google it. WHAT HAPPENS IF CRAIG WHYTE DOES NOT PAY HIS FINE.

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He was an official/director at the time of the offence therefore Rangers could be liable if he didn't pay, vicarious liability - employers (the business) liable for the penalty

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A ban on signing new players outside of administration is over the top for non payment of PAYE.

Hopefully common sense will prevail and it will be rescinded under appeal.

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Vicarious liability concerns the liability of one party for the delictual acts or omissions of another. It operates in employment, agency. Partnership, where an employee conducts an enterprise that creates risks for others . Operates as a prompt to employers to promote safe conduct and practices in carrying out the enterprise.

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Yes. From when the full written reasons are provided to each party, they have three days to advise the SFA that they intend to appeal.

In view of the short timetable, I would expect Mr Whyte to lodge an appeal, even if he has no intention of going ahead.

I think that he stands excellent chances of appealing successfully.

We do not know yet of course precisely what Mr Whyte’s behaviour was which justified, in the eye of the Tribunal, a life ban.

We will see when the full reasons are produced, as I am sure they will be soon.

I will write about the appeal process in my next post.

What if Mr Whyte does not pay?

Mr Whyte’s public statement makes it clear that he has no intention of acknowledging this so-called “kangaroo†court.

However the SFA can still get the money, even if Mr Whyte refuses to pay. Article 97.2 states that if a person does not pay a fine, then the funds can be deducted at source from the money due to the club by the SFA.

Therefore, if Mr Whyte is bloody minded, he might find that the angst from Rangers fans towards him gets even worse!

To Conclude

Mr Whyte fined the maximum fine of £200,000 (£50,000 x 4).

Mr Whyte expelled from the sport for life.

Mr Whyte’s unpaid fine (if not appealed) will be deducted from footballing prize money due to Rangers from SFA.

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Dundee went into administration cos they could not pay thier bills, rangers went into administration cos they would not pay thier PAYE !!!

its different - one is worse and gets more punishment... !

they not the same !

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God , does not one know the job of a director.....

you get two bits of paper on becoming a director, one its a paycheck with huge set of 000000 in it, and one is the legal responsibilities of being a director (who goes to JAIL !!! if company does wrong)...

which did the likes of John Grieg look at most... the paycheck or the responsibilities... ?

i wonder.

many people, ally included would have known about not paying tax and PAYE - and they turned a blind eye... now they take the punishment for that....

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CW says he wont pay, and looks like no SFA prize money for rangers to cover it...

So thats another infringement of the SFA rules - so throw the book at him and terminate his clubs association with the SFA...

this will happen if he does not pay fine.

He can claim he wont pay it - and SFA can stop rangers ever playing a game until he does....

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Think you are all missing one important thing here folks RANGERS yes RANGERS were one of the clubs who voted in these new measures that are now being implemented in their case , just inlicky they are the first club in spl to be punished with the rule THEY voted for

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Of course rangers can pay, after all they can afford one of the most expensive squads in the league

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No idea what the original poster is talking about..........flawed logic. Lets be clear, Craig whyte used others money ( ticketus ) to clear debt ( loyds ) on the strength of this he bought a club ( rangers ) for a pound. The deal ( contract ) stated that he already had the funds to clear the debt ( loyds ) and further support rangers financially. If it can be proven that he did not keep to his side of the contract, he ( whyte ) does not own rangers. How can a club be penalised for wrongdoings by someone who did not legally buy the club ?

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"If it can be proven that he did not keep to his side of the contract...."

You mean like in court, with lawyers and years of court costs, appeals etc etc etc

How could rangers (in administration - a big clue) afford that - legal aid wont cover this claim.

rangers will run out of money before any of these issues come to court, let alone get a binding decision which can be appealed to a higher court.

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To the last poster / " how could rangers afford legal action" / isnt that exactly what the administrators are doing at present ? taking action against lawyers acting on whytes behalf, who incidentally were implicit in the purchase of the club, you really need to keep up my friend!

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To the post above the sfa panel have been named on the internet and death threats issued to the families fat sally.Alex Thomson tweeted:bit more significant than being naughty about a referee,i will of course ask the SFA when i,ve a moment.I will of course ask the Police too.Scottish journalists reporting on mcoists antics are getting it.Wonder if there will be a witch hunt on mcoist or is that not news?

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25 Apr 2012 12:17:55
Afternoon ed just wondering if there is a court case today if so what and likely outcome,cheers {Ed001's Note - the administrators are in court regarding Rangers, but it is likely to just be a progress report.}

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I believe they were in the Court of Session to get an Order that SDM releases papers regarding the sale to Whyte

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The admins are in court to get MHL to hand over the Rangers/Whyte takeover documents.

(As if they didn't already have a copy)

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The court case was for the MIH club sale docs

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/304823-rangers-administrators-force-sir-david-murray-to-reveal-correspondence-between-group-and-craig-whytes-lawyers-over-takeover/

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Is that what that noise was this morning. I thought i could hear the shredding machine going.

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25 Apr 2012 11:02:03
Ed- the sanctions imposed by the scottish football associations judicial panel.
Do u know if any of the preferred bidders have spoken to the media in response to this latest development? {Ed001's Note - not that I can find as of yet.}

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There was an almost immediate line in either STV or BBC online wich said Miller quoted as saying it doesn't affect his bid.

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That wouldn't be the SFAs concern in any way nor should it be. Linking the just SFA punishment to the bidding process is a dirty thing to do by whomever does it.

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He doesnt want administration he prefers this newco type buy-out. not liquidation but a form of liquidation. too much for my brain to handle. so basically post #1 is right in my opinion. blue knights are a different kettle of fish they have to come out and say something.

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TBKs have already intimated their plan was to repay the wage cuts and recover the players contacts, this would enable them to sell the high wage earners they cannot afford in the summer.

The SFA embargo prevents the new owner from replacing these players with cheaper players and the squad would be 5-6-7 players short.

Its a tricky situation but everything about Rangers is tricky at the moment.

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"That wouldn't be the SFAs concern in any way nor should it be. Linking the just SFA punishment to the bidding process is a dirty thing to do by whomever does it."

So if push comes to shove and all the buyers are no longer interested due to
this idiotic punishment by the SFA and the club then ceases to exist thats ok is it?

Away and bile yer heid ya dumpling!!!

Stu1872 {Ed001's Note - so you expect them to just not punish you? Don't talk soft, there is nothing idiotic about the punishment, Rangers were lucky not to get a far worse one.}

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Forget intimating release a full and concise statement. all this intimating is one of a number of reasons this has went on so long. we'll do this, we'll do that. Put it on a bit of paper and hand it to duffer and duffer.

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I dread to think what the SFA punishment will be if the EBT case is finalised.

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Stu1872 Rangers got the same 12 month signing embargo as Dundee did when they went into administration why should Rangers be treated differently? Its not draconian; its not harsh; its not savage treatment it is the law that Rangers FC and all other Clubs agreed to and endorsed being applied. I am sorry but these are the facts and Rangers FC and Ally McCoist should have the dignity to respect and uphold the Rules that Rangers FC were like all other Clubs instramental in drafting.

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What could have been the worst sanction,how bad could it have been {Ed001's Note - demotion could have been applied on top, or even refusal of a license to compete in extreme circumstances.}

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Rangers are not being punished for being in administration ( apart from the 10 point deduction ).
They have been punished for failure to pay clubs, stiffing the taxman, etc etc.
The maximum sanction for some of the offences is expulsion from the league.

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Ed It seems you are the voice of reason, it is fair to say that the punishment could have been worse however the SFA may have seen there actions as enough to justify themeselves to UEFA and the other scottish member clubs. punishment without grace or favour, while at the sametime not throwing the book at rangers. It is highly unlikely that rangers will have money to spend for a year anyway, so on reflection the punishment is far from draconian, as another poster states this is similiar to the rules applied to dundee?. It is not the SFA's fault that rangers may be finished, I personally think it will or would have happened anyway, all the existing member clubs should work on this basis, sooner or later in this greedy world of footbal some clubs were bound to collapse rangers will not be the last

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Im not saying for one minute that Rangers shouldnt be punished...im talking about the timing of the punishment.
When Dundee UTD were in administration they werent in serious threat of being liquidated whereas Rangers are.

For you to even suggest im 'soft' ed says more about you than it doers about me

Stu1872 {Ed001's Note - does it really? I am not the one bleating like a baby about being the club being punished for a crime it committed because the timing doesn't suit it. Do you realise how idiotic that is?}

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Sooner or later in this greedy world of footbal some clubs were bound to collapse rangers will not be the last


Absolutely

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25 Apr 2012 11:01:08
STV have stated that the Lawyers for Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps have forced former owner Sir David Murray’s group to release correspondence between it and Craig Whyte’s lawyers over the sale of Rangers FC.

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Got a feeling that a lot of it will have been "inadvertently" shredded!

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Murray wasnt forced, he offered the documents but the court order was sought to make sure he was legally allowed to.

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Best to read the full story rather than just the "sensational headline"

Quote from the QC representing D&F ......Ms Ower said lawyers had written to the Murray company, which had said it had no objection to providing documents but was concerned over confidentiality clauses. Therefore, a court order was being sought

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Shadows of Watergate.
His delete button and shredder must be exhausted.

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I doubt SDM has anything to hide. It would appear that Mr Whyte may not have carried out what he promised to do, what he promised to do would be in the paper-work being sought.

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This might be to prove that Whyte didn't do what he said he would and therefore void his ownership so they can get their hands on his shares

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If you beleive Murray offered you are deluded,if he has not shredded the evidence now you bears might get some answers,stop blaming everyone else and look closer to home Murry knew but still sold to Whyte

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some straws to clutch

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25 Apr 2012 10:31:33
STV Online-- SPL and SFL fans vote to not let Rangers NewCo enter SPL. Detailed results on website.

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You are talking pure fish

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Almost half were Celtic fans - no surprise there then eh!

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I Agree we should start as a newco in Div3. I am quite sure the like of East Stirling etc will be more than happy to accept the gate receipts that are generated from our away fans.

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Just read the results. Most clubs voting 92%-98% saying no to RFnewCo being allowed straight back into the SPL. Well worth a read of the full results and the comments.

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In a Word WHO CARES - my advice to all the non rangers fans who actually wasted there time on this poll is this,
Go back to falsely pledging funds and rigging your fav bands to win the brit awards.
Tinternet polls....really....what will they think of next......pmsl

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This has been openly reported for weeks now. The guy running the website carrying out the pole was on Sportsound last week explaining it. No surprise though. IThe results show that everyone hates Rangers........and loves Raymond. .

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Read Bill Leckie in todays Sun (page 68)and this will go some way towards explaining why so many fans of other clubs voted as they did!

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95% of Rangers fans want to go to 3rd division and effectively kill the SPL so dont see the point of their poll

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As soon as these non-old firm fans start supporting their own teams in serious numbers, I'll start to care what they think. In the mean time their opinions mean nothing as the majority of them probably contribute little to Scottish football in terms of finance and attendance figures.

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Everyone hates RANGERS?...really? so you lot bleating that no-one cared about Celtic when you were on the brink did't give you a clue to the fact that everyone hated Celtic?....or was it just, the way it was in bigoted, racist, intolerant Scotland? The other magical change in tone is the Sellik view of the SFA ...last season, corrupt, anti-Celtic, blah,blah, and this season staunch upholders of the law , punishing the unrighteous .....geez peace.

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It is not possible for a club with the fixed overheads of Rangers to play in Div 3-2-1, unless the average attendance is going to be 20,000 plus.

Honestly folks, do you really believe 20,000 fans are going to pay £20-25 to watch Rangers play East Stirling twice ?
If they drop their prices then the attendance figure must rise proportionally.

I just do not believe it is feasible.

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The SPL 11 teams must listen to their fans wishes and represent their fans wishes. The fans are prepared to take financial hits at their clubs for the sake of honesty and integrity.

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A whole 16,000 voted. Wow is that the whole of the other teams fan base in Scotland.

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Lets just go to the 3rd division and give the teams there our money for away games....lets face it, they are more worthy of the cash than the back-stabbers and no-marks in the SPL.

Lets see just how long it takes before more clubs in the SPL go into administration and liquidation due to the loss of revenue from the Rangers support!!

Stu1872

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What some(or most people here) fail to realise is,, if rangers want to play in the 3rd div next season they would have to apply to the league as a new team, or newco as it seems to be called now, and with teams such as cove rangers and other well established teams applying to join , what's to say they would be voted in rather than other deserving teams ?

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What some(or most people here) fail to realise is,, if rangers want to play in the 3rd div next season they would have to apply to the league as a new team, or newco as it seems to be called now, and with teams such as cove rangers and other well established teams applying to join , what's to say they would be voted in rather than other deserving teams ?

Did you actually read what you typed before you sent it???? Who's to say they'll get voted in?? Yeah I can see the chairmen in the 3rd division sitting going, who will we vote for, Cove Rangers with their 2 mini buses of fans and also a reverse trip to Allan Park (their home ground in case you were unaware) which is one of the coldest places on the earth even in the height of summer, or will we have one of the top supported teams in the country, mmmmmmmmmmmmmm let me think how that will pan out........YE BUMPER

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Celtic fans are kidding themselves if they think tv/sky/sponsors will be even remotely interested in the spl if there is no old firm matches. believe me..scottish football will be dead in the water if rangers arent in spl. be careful what you wish for!
as a gers fan, im kinda hoping we should drop to the third, then the other clubs will find out first hand wot life is like without the gers...bet not too good methinks!

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3rd division grounds limit isa 5000.

What away fans??

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'Celtic fans are kidding themselves if they think tv/sky/sponsors will be even remotely interested in the spl if there is no old firm matches'

as a celtic fan who has lived in england over ten years I can tell you no one is interested in scottish football with or without old firm games. it wont make any difference, scots football is on sky for scots, its only broadcast at times that doesnt get in the way of the EPL games, there is more interest in spanish football then scots football

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Lol bust rangers who needs them be more competitive in the spl now as teams like united and hearts will get a bigger share of end of season money and atleast not giving it to the cheating gits at the other side of glasgow

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Didnt say though that 40% of the replies came from Septic supporters and 98% of them wanted the bears kicked out the league

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There is no such club called septic, remember, your club needs to move on from the past and treat all Scots equally. The TV money is no big deal.

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" It is not possible for a club with the fixed overheads of Rangers to play in Div 3-2-1, unless the average attendance is going to be 20,000 plus.

Honestly folks, do you really believe 20,000 fans are going to pay £20-25 to watch Rangers play East Stirling twice ?
If they drop their prices then the attendance figure must rise proportionally."

thought rangers had the best supporters ever .

surely 20,000 would turn up of your true blue supporters

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Did you actually read what you typed before you sent it?? Who's to say they'll get voted in? Yeah I can see the chairmen in the 3rd division sitting going, who will we vote for, Cove Rangers with their 2 mini buses of fans and also a reverse trip to Allan Park (their home ground in case you were unaware) which is one of the coldest places on the earth even in the height of summer, or will we have one of the top supported teams in the country, mmmmmmmmmmmmmm let me think how that will pan out........YE BUMPER


I'd vote for Cove Rangers, a good and honest club who pay their tax bills.

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Allan park - capacity of ground ......

Wait for it......

2300

So much for 20,000 away fans... From newco rangers - away team allocation will be 500 at best

Welcome to the third world / division

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25 Apr 2012 08:54:34
If I was Ally McCoist I would stand down. Glasgow Rangers need to except what is happening and get on with it. It would be good to see a club do the right thing and pay the depts, even if it means selling most of the senior club players.

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ACCEPT! and DEBTS! please learn to spell. Although i think we should be paying what we owe rather than take the easy way out.

Blue Stu

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Why should he quit his job? How does that galvanise support ? What benefit is not having a manager at this moment? If this op is from a rangers fan what do you suggest happens next?

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As a grandmother of a child who struggles daily with reading and spelling I think there is absolutely no need to humiliate people on here Make your point without picking on people about their spelling or grammar!

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Well, I'm running down ibrox the road
tryin' to loosen my load
I've got tens of millions on my mind,
Two Bidders that wanna own me,
One that wants Save Me,
and D&P says there a friend of mine
Take It easy, take it easy
Don't let the sound of CVA drive you crazy.

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Most of the senior players will be sold or leave at the end of the season.

I'm now just waiting on the verdict from the BTC I fear that may well be the killer blow that sinks us.

HMRC have history of blocking CVAs. Whole thing is a complete shambles.

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LOL on the same point Blu Stu, its capital I

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The grandmother is correct.

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If ally was to step down then he would have done so long before now. his job as manager is to put a positive spin on things but coisty is an intelligent man who knows exactly what is going on. i believe that we will get through this and will soon be back on top- where we belong!

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Rangers can not pay their debts, this is the uncomfortable truth, selling players and assets is not going to pay all the debts, this is what insolvent means.

Ally is understadably upset, he knows how close to liquidation his club is and the SFA transfer embargo could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Although personally I don't see it that way, Ticketus is the key and unless a new owner confirms the original deal then liquidation is inevitable.

Both bidders are making a mistake trying to screw money out of Ticketus.

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To the lunatic who said we should not be taking to ticketus and how else do we get Whyte to part with his shares

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Can the grandmother play up front shell be better than laugherty

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As a fan of 41 years this is one helluva shambles i think we are beyond repair now i think a newco is the answer now the damage has been done as for this protest which is stupid why spoil the cup final for hearts and hibs no wonder some people dont like us ally button it and take the punishment we broke the rules disgruntled bear

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We could sell all our players and assets to cover our debts, but how do you suppose the club exists without these? Liquidation is probably the only way out of this but it wont be Glasgow Rangers FC as we know it at the other end

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If Rangers cant buy players this should free up money for ceditors - we do want to pay them dont we - and besides when did we last pay, in full for a player!

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Why all the fuss about not being able to buy players next season ! you havent payed for any you bought this season

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Well said disgruntled bear, thefans are the only ones who have not done walking away unlike others, you all keep your cool and don't give the powers that be an excuse to punish the club anymore, because that's what they'll do.
Tic Fan

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How much is the squad worth??

What do you think about just playing under 18s??

Not could I know. But it could happen?

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25 Apr 2012 01:03:10
Rangers Manager, Ally McCoist to be hauled before SFA on Friday for his inflammatory remarks in the media against SFA officials yesterday.

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Maybe teach him to engage his brain before he opens his mouth. Stop greetin, grow a pair and get on with building your team for the future.

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Caley fan...
Got a lot of time for Ally...
But I hope this is true.
He is under a lot of duress.
But no more duress than Lennon was under when being threatened with bullets and bombs through the post.
Allie has done well off the field.
2 mistakes.
1. 'the sly kicks' speech
2. tonight.

What are the SFA supposed to do? Let you choose your own penalty? Look guys... that might be how it worked in the past (wink) but now your not paying you bills it don't look so good.

And before you start... the nudge and the wink were ironic.

Truth is ...
Yer bust by £134m
Gretna would be looking good on £134m and on £134m the world would be saying SPL need gretna.

Well it doesn't.
What we need is decent upstanding Rangers fans supporting the (non secatarian) sporting elements on which the club was founded, and kicking the other sort into the long grass. Thats your way out of this mess.
Probity.
Bring something to the table.
For every 5 bigots you crucify, we'll mince the guts out of ten!

work with me here guys!

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Poster above....pot and kettle spring to mind. Maybe you should send that bit of advice to NL?
As for McCoist...the past few months have been nothing but soul destroying and frustrating for him (and all us Bears). All he voiced was his opinion (and I'm quite sure mine and evey other Rangers Supporters) to sanctions that the SFA have imposed that could possibly put the nail in our coffin. I have no issue with the financial penalty, but a tranfer embargo seems far too exterme. And I think that is what he is more-so angry about.

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This is logical and believable Managers who say a bad word about refs linesmen or fourth officials get caned.
Ally has torn into three senior SFA officials, acting on Lord Nimmo Smiths report and taking legal advice.
Really classless and child like emotional stuff. The guys 49 years old! Some rookie!

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Did you notice how mccoist sat nice and calm and spoke with great composure ? Then compare that to lennon running around hampden in a trackie foaming at the mouth like some ned full of buckfast spoiling for a fight. Thank god that in this time in our history we have mccoist at the helm.

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How is he meant to build a team without being able to sign anyone?

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Good job it wasn't Lennon that said it or he would be hung out to dry...

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To above post.....what the hell are you talk about...grow a pair, hes not greeting the decision is an absolutely ridiculous one from the SFA and everyone knowes it, i understand the SFA saying 'they have to make thier decisions without fear or favour' but giving a club thats on the verge of being bought over and potentially exiting administation a transfer embargo is scandalous, and they have to take into consideration that Rangers and celtic make what is left of any big revenue our league can make. Did motherwell or Dundee get a transfer embargo when they were in administration?......emmm NO.

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On yer own Ally just a pity more people involved at the club were not more open then we may not be in this mess were in now

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Believe he is being soken to sternly but no action to be taken. The SFA will also use this as a chance to speak to Ally in confidence about the fines and transfer embargo ruling. The SFA will not however, change their decision.

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The man spoke with honesty and how each and every rangers fan feels. He is like the rest of us a rangers fan through and through and he and us will stand side by side to ensure the future of our club. For that other wee ginger bigoted b**tard (no offence to anyone with ginger hair - you are not in the same category) maybe he should take a leaf out of Super Allys book and speak with pride, dignity and respect. joke if he is summoned in front of that shower of corrupt c**ts. #FTSFA

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Since when has giving his honest opinion constitute greetin? Why don't you leave these boards timmy and concentrate on your own team

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Super sally shows his true colours, where's his cheeky chappie routine now? QoS for Ally next year.

TonyBhoy

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Rangers FC are not above the laws of the land or the laws of the SFA...anymore that is! If you think the SFA sanctions are harsh wait until you see the SPL sanctions regarding the EBT's as that is the real scandal here. Genuine sympathy for genuine fans but please stop the WATP nonsense which is interpreted as "We are the better people" It just makes you look ridiculous particularly in the circumstances you all now face. PS Stop blaming everyone but yourselves. Sopot Celt.

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Hope they throw the book at wee slekit Sally. You cant make it up "we demand to know who is on the panel" Rangers had a rep there for christ sake,another example of wee Sally trying to play the fans and the media. I ask you has there been a worse Rangers manager in the last 100 years. Totally out of his depth and the cracks are starting to show

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I'm a Don's fan, so bear with me. I have no love for either rangers or celtic, however, in the interest of constructive discussion, feel I need to add some detail here.

The problem, as I see it, is that neither Motherwell & Dundee owed all and sundry lots of money.

How many clubs are owed gate money by Rangers (believe my own team as well).

And as much as I don't like Whyte or what he's done to Rangers, there's a fundamdental thing that is being missed, he's not to blame. He was sold a duffer by Murray, who would have known the HMRC case was looming in the distance.

And also the specific reason for the HMRC case rests at the feet of Murray.

If there is such great loyalty amongst the 'Gers fans throughout the world, why not just have a 'whip round' and put your hand in your pocket to support your team in it's hour of need.

If there are 1 million 'gers fans out there, all they need to do is put in £100 each....that would very nearly pay off the debt in one go.

The other problem is that once the debt is paid off there are the ongoing running costs, which appear to be quite substantial.

Perhaps this is a turning point for Scottish football, good or bad. Relative to the size of the country, we have too many professional teams as it stands.....

So if Rangers are embargoed to not signing any players over 18 for a year, then surely not a bad thing for Scottish football, find the most talented group of 18 year olds and mould them into a world beating team, therefore, bettering the Scottish team (don't forget about your debt to our national team).

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Calling for the panel to be named sounds very like a witch-hunt to me? What would it achieve? I seriously think Ally needs called to book on this.............almost a call to violence for the benefit of the knuckle-dragging minority of the fans.

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Ally is playing to the gallery, the truth is once this is over and you start building a team , ally is not the man to have at the helm . he is endearing himself to the hello hello brigade using them as a shield against his incompetance .regardless of who buys rangers ally must go

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To the dons fan. do you think they should walk right back into the spl if found guilty.

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RFC should have been kicked out of football. Yet their deluded fans are crying over a punishment that will not effect the newco which is about to be born.

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As you can tell by the deluded bitter bears on here wee Sleekit Sally has them fooled,stop your bigoted bile about Lennon and look closer to home Rangers and Murray are the real culprits,how about protesting against them,the SFA have let you off very lightly,as for the transfer embargo you have players you have not paid for yet and no money so what difference does it make. Get your heads out of the sand bears Ally is a shocking manager and the cracks are beginning to show ask Lafferty

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The above post smacks of sheer arrogance. you know what maybe we shoud just leave scottish football and we'll see how every other team gets on without us. NO RANGERS = THE DEATH OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL!

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Truth hurts, Ally will have the support of the fans,who gives a damn what the faceless blazers say,shower of old fuddy duddys,they dont know how to run the association,hope Ally gives them hell,we will see how Scottish football at the top level survives without the many thousand of Rangers fans who fill their coffers,i would rather go to division 3 and start again.we are the people

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There are not one million Rangers fans on planet earth, and if a CVA is agreed the Rangers fans will be asked to buy shares in the company. The last time this occured few Rangers fans were interested, hopefully this new share issue wll be different.


Liquidation is imminent but its not over yet, time for the bidders to stump up the money to guarantee Ticketus, instead of trying to steal the club on the cheap.

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In answer to this question "To the dons fan. do you think they should walk right back into the spl if found guilty."

My 'gut' feeling on this is no. If you look at 'scandals' throughout football in the world (just cast your mind back to Italy in 2006, where Juventus were relegated to Serie B), there is a clear precedent.

What I don't think is realistic is also to expect Rangers to have to apply to the SFA for admittance to the 3rd division.

I would suggest, that they are automatically relegated to Division 1, as of next season, or else, even given the undoubted problems they will have, it's likely they will qualify for European football....therefore, no real long term punishment.

therefore the only true punishment that would probably suit everybody is relegation to Division 1. This keeps the Club going with the history etc. but does also allow the remainder of the Scottish clubs to see some sort of common sense approach to what should be considered cheating.

How many points did the remaining clubs lose to players who were being paid illegally?

I hope you get my point.

The fact is that if Rangers somehow manage to get their house in order, then there is no reason, why we wouldn't see them back in the SPL, within a season or even two at worst.

If this ultimately does end up with a newco, then why should rangers be treated any differently to Airdrie United, Livingston etc. That particular list is almost endless, they should and would have to apply to join the 3rd division as all other 'new' teams do.

If we take the example of Wimbledon (my English team), when they moved to Milton Keynes, ultimately the history was stripped out and given back to AFC Wimbledon.

Would this be acceptable to Rangers FC?


Last point, if the fans feel so agrieved at how the owners have undertaken the handling of the club, why not simply create an FC Rangers a la F.C. United of Manchester, start in the Junior ranks and work their way up.

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Shouting for the names of the tribunal is sinister, smells of intimidation and fear inducing. Criminal?

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I thought it was very wrong of Ally McCoist to demand the names of the people who sit on the panel who made the decisions that Rangers fans are up in arms about.

It seems that a Rangers official was in attendence at the verdict 'Hampden top brass believe McCoist should already know who was involved ...'( Daily Record page 54). So what was his motives for demanding to know? did he not realise that given recent threats to others involved in Scottish football and fans of an other Club that by demanding the names of the panel members McCoist could be putting their lives at risk!

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Wish ally would keep quiet its making us look bad we the fans the club have to men enough to accept the punishment the club has broken every rule in the book i wish some sections of our support would understand this rules are rules fellow bears

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Dundee had a 12 month embargo on signing players last year when they too went into administration and also docked 25 points - there was not any hue and cry about draconian punishments nor savage verdicts, too severe, kicking us when we are down and so on.

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The big point here is that Rangers had a representative at the hearing. Rangers know exactly who was on that panel. So what is Ally trying to achieve? He has created a witch hunt against those people
He must be under incredible pressure but he has overstepped the mark.

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To the dons fan above:

Now, I agree with you in many of your points and I do feel that the SFA will look at other countries as a benchmark when deciding how to deal with Rangers, however the Calciopoli in Italy was highly illegal, it was match fixing, whereas the EBT was thought to be legal, at the time (was it not disclosed in RFC's accounts?), so I can't see how you can compare the two.

I also disagree that Rangers have a "debt" to the Scottish national team, I fail to see how they have more than any other Scottish club.

I also can see many SPL teams going bust without Rangers (Dunfermline, Kilmarnock, Dundee Utd, Hearts, and your very own dandy dons would be in a spot of bother with 2 big gates less every year (depending on how long it takes Rangers to get promoted, obviously)

I also do think the RFF is way short of what would be raised if there was a share issue, although I think if it even raised £20mill we would be doing well!

Personally I'd prefer to start at the bottom of the English system if we are liquidated (there are ways and means round being a company registered in England, but playing in Scotland) but that's my own view!

On another note, good luck to the dons next year, I used to go to Pittodrie regularly (I used to get free tickets) and the atmosphere on a European night is amazing (I was at the Copenhagen and Bayern games a couple of years ago) and it would be good to see them back in Europe.

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"The above post smacks of sheer arrogance. you know what maybe we shoud just leave scottish football and we'll see how every other team gets on without us. NO RANGERS = THE DEATH OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL!"

The above post smacks of arrogance too. And hypocrisy.

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I am no lawyer but could this be seen as incitement or rabble rousing?

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I think Ally is quite right to ask who the people on the panel were. Why is it such a secret ? The SFA have just made a ridiculous decision in the circumstances.

The SFA just seem to make up rules and punishments at a whim.

What did they do to protect Rangers and Scottish football when the takeover was happening ? Nothing.

Were they not supposed check if Whyte was fit & proper ? Yes.

Did they check whether Whyte was fit & proper person ? No.

The SFA is a joke and toothless organisation. Craig Whye's taking absolute piss out of them and everyone else.

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Surely the pie man must be hammered for his comments.Just because he spouts them under the guise of speaking for out for rangers fans he has blatantly tried to undermine the sfa/spl with his inflamatory comments.I think a 12 match touchline ban and a hefty fine would be the very least he should expect.

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Dundee's embargo on signing players was not handed to them by the SFA as a punishment it was for as long as they were in administration. Did Motherwell get an embargo? Were they given as much stick as Rangers have received.

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Ally demanding answers needs to know whats going on, why would Bill miller phone him asking whats going on,sounds like he knows more than he is letting on to

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TO 'wish ally would keep quiet ...' who elected these 'so called' leaders of the support? What is their backgrounds? In my view, they are now promoting what is approaching anarchy with their calls to concerned fans to boycot this and march here its embarrassing and damaging to whats left of the Club!

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Lets hear ally call for all those who got EBT payments to be named and shamed. It was this financial bleeding of the Club that has led to where the patient now lies - on its death bed! Well done to all the greedy Rangers players, coaches and Directors you all know who you are when will you let us all know?

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SPL clubs voted unanimously for the new SFA disciplinary process that was used against Rangers, that sees the members of the panel maintain anonymity. So Rangers have agreed to that process.

A Rangers official was present on Monday when the decision was delivered, and therefore Rangers know who the panel members were that made the decision.

McCoist's demands to reveal the identity of the panel is about as low as you can get. This is a clear attempt at intimidation, not of the panel who made the decision, but against the appeals panel that will hear their appeal and future decisions due to be delivered by the SFA and SPL.

McCoist knows there are absolute nutcases within the Rangers support who will only too gladly try and intimidate those in the decision making process.

Those nutcases have already sent parcel bombs to the Celtic Manager, bullets to the celtic Manager and Players, and two seperate assaults on the Celtic Manager.

And as for that excuse of a human being Mark Dingwall, releasing a statement in which he brings Neil Lennon into it, it's clearly designed to associate Rangers hatred of Lenny to the SFA. Absolutely disgusting. I would be thoroughly ashamed to have this man represent my football club. In fact, what gives this sealf elected bampot the right to speak for any Rangers supporter.

But most of all for McCoist, when bleating about the end of Rangers, he should remember when Celtic were in trouble in 1994 McCosit commented "I can't say I'm not enjoying it."

What goes around comes around.

wdb

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I think some of the rangers fans on here should lay of the buckfast , rangers are not scottish football , some clubs would suffer some would prosper without them, hearts hibs and aberdeen would grow stronger in time. a chairman from one of thees clubs has already said:.. he would not be putting out any red carpet for a new rangers, get used to the fact , you broke the rules , have been caught, now take your punishment, there is a lot more to come , rip rangers

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Whyte didn't benefit from not paying £9million in PAYE and VAT, Rangers benefitted. It's kept Rangers going for the last 4 months. Paying the bills and salaries.
Rangers should be punished harder for its crimes to the Scottish taxpayer, the 276 Creditor victims and crimes against Scottish football, now the joke of world football.

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Dont forget about the money from ticketus , used to pay lloyeds tsb,, good job white did this . im sure lloyeds would have pulled the plug on your glasgow rangers long ago,

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