Rangers Rumours Archive July 21 2012

21 Jul 2012 17:14:33
papers said today that ally is about to up his game on bringing Craig Beattie Ian Black and Fran Sandaza. and the ex Killie ace Dean Shiels is linked with a possible move. your thoughts on this mate do you think its true?.

That is so funny. Why would they want to play in division 3?

Hope we get sum players so we start on the road to back to spl wee nacho would be a good start mon the gers!!

I have no doubt the transfer embargo will be implemented.

Beattie,shiels and black a maybe but sandaza woulnt join us when we were in the spl,so i doubt he would join us in the 3rd

Beause we can offer BIGGER WAGES than any other team in scotland, besides celtic .....

They would play 3rd division because the start of the season is 1 week away and they don't have clubs. Rangers will still pay more than anyone else in scotland apart from Celtic in wages.

People like Gary Kenneth and Scott Robertson being linked too, same situation, they don't have a club and might fancy 3rd division if decent contract is offered.

Mabey cause beattie is a fan and ian black said he would play in div 3?

Would be amazing if we signed black beattie sandaza shiels it would be a big big boost

I think gets will be playing football this year anyway troops. SFA and SPL are asking for too much....

Ed whats your thought on this? {Ed013's Note - I would say Beatte is very achievable, but not sure on the others}

Why do you all think that Rangers can offer more money than every team but Celtic? Where is there any proof of that and what money do Rangers possibly have? If I remember rightly we have no money and that is why we went bust in the first place, Thrown big wages at average players and this new club will end up with the same fate as the last one

So in the same week you talk of redundancies you talk of paying SPL or even Championship wages?
Hasn't your club learned anything about living within your means? This is the club who couldn't afford to pay for face painting.

I hope, and you should to that there is no truth in this rumour.

We can offer more money than most other clubs because we will have a much bigger fanbase who will pay the money to get better players! Pretty simple really! And no need for some smart @rse reply about why we didn't do that in the past!

Well the reported £800k from davis going to sothampton,i would have thought would help with players wages also i keep hearing we owe clubs £3.2m but what about the£3.9m were reportedly owed ourselves.that would leave us another 700k giving us about 1.5M THAT WOULD be a start.so please try an stop your s*** stiring.one final note to mention did celtic not pay the two keanes out of lawells own pocket,and yous preech about spending and living within your own means,that cash wasnt earned or generated by the club but out of his pocket,wonderfull how this can be seen as ok by a selected few.ehh?

Great thatall these players may coem?? but at what price....... we really should be living within our means for this division players like Black and Kenneth would be expecting at least £1000 to £2000 to play? We have decent enough squad now and add a couple of stalwarts from 1st division and we should cope in 3rd. Why waste money on players if we dont have to at this time, keep the money for following years when it will be needed more.

Big signings!
We are sacking some of our most loyal servants this week - good folk who are the real foundaton to our club - made redundant because we totally lost sight of our Rangers values and ethics.

If we truly want to build for a return to former glory we might not want to loose these true servants.

We may be financially bankrupt - please don't let us be morally bankrupt. Dont forget the REAL victims of this fiasco

Yeah yeah. Ibrox will be sold out week in week out in Div 3. but lower admissions prices. So rangers were losing over £1 million per month in Spl. Still have to pay stewarding/policing. not cheaper now. upkeep of stadium/murray park and SPL level wages. how you do that and stay in black? Dual contracts again?? Unreal..Oh and No licence yet as RANGERS refuse to agree to all sanctions. Brechin game already off. can't sign players until agreement made. NO FOOTBALL NEXT SEASON LOOMING. Whyte and Green's plan has worked.

It's quite simple. We CAN offer more money. Season ticket money - thats why every SPL chairman is coming out asking for all those so called fans who voted us out of the SPL to Now buy season tickets. Didnt quite think that one through did they. Redundancies will come but we have to focus money on playing squad to get out of div3. That will happen.

Rangers will find it very hard to get out of the SFL they have no money, no players and we will see how many so called rangers till i die fans turn up every 2nd week to see them play the likes of east stirling and alloa! It will be very interesting to see the average attendance figures at the end of the season {Ed039's Note - I think you will find come the end of the season that RFC average attendance will still be more than every SPL clubs bar Celtic)

Don't give us that "living within our means" no club in the spl is or we wouldn't be having all this brinkmanship from the spl to the SFL over media rights,whilst our club will struggle through the leagues we will get there no doubt,as for the face painter, you bill a company one day that goes into administration the next that bill would not be paid, it's not that hard to understand if you want to see the true picture

#14 "no need for some smart @rse reply about why we didn't do that in the past!"

I don't think its a question of why you didn't do it, more that you COULDN'T do it. Even with 50,000 fans (give or take) filling Ibrox, money from TV, winning titles, playing in Europe, Big sponsorship deals, etc. The sums just didn't add up.
Like everyone else in Scottish football you need to cut your cloth accordingly, and I cannot see how paying ridiculous wages to play in the 3rd and 2nd division is going to do that.
And if your going to do that while making members of staff redundabt then newco Rangers will be a disgrace before they've even kicked a ball.

Learn from your mistakes for your own sake.

You also have a bigger stadium= higher bills for policing, electricity ,gas, stewarding ,office workers,ground staff,physios,doctors,etc etc etc, if you dont back charlie ,its Administration for the newco......

Smart @rse reply- Eh you did do that in the past,possibly why you are where you are now.
Tam

What happened to the last team to offer big wages to players in Div3, they went bust (Gretna).

Sevco are a new company and dont have the financial backing to pay players silly money whilst progressing through the leagues. So far you have no strip, few players and no licence to play. So where is the money coming from to pay for (ex celt) Beattie et al?

Why would a player like Sheils, who was contender for player of the season take 3 years out of his career to play in 3rd Div? Are any players that "loyal"?

Hey it's not all doom and gloom for Sevco fans, Gazza has stated he will come back to play for you's!

DazzaBhoy {Ed039's Note - Dazza, Gretna went bust because their Sugar Daddy became ill and then sadly passed, it wasnt the big wages)

Black coming but wants £10k per week for playing in D3 FFS!

Just to tell all yous that shiels black beattie sandaza are all free agents just now sheils was only on loan then his team released him

Lawwell didn,t pay the two keanes from his own pocket it was dermot desmond
who does have wealth off the radar.

Desmond is an absentee landlord who has probably never paid income tax in the uk ,so is that why he can afford to pay the wages of big name players?sporting itegrity indeed,could mr desmond be seen as septics very own offshore employment benifit trust?

Why would they want to play in div.3 ? ,theyd probably get more tv coverage there than in the spl doug t.s.o

Desmond is an absentee landlord who has probably never paid income tax in the uk ,so is that why he can afford to pay the wages of big name players?sporting itegrity indeed,could mr desmond be seen as septics very own offshore employment benifit trust?

I'm sure Mr Desmond and his lawyers would be very interested in you comments.

Questions for you:
Why would someone who has never lived in UK and isn't from UK pay tax in UK??

How do you know that his UK business interests,including Celtic, don't/haven't paid all taxes/duties owned?

And if he played Keanes' wages himself then as long as taxes/contributions were paid then what's the problem? (Living within the clubs means only starts now)

And finally,What exactly were you accusing him of? Tax evasion? Living abroad? Or being Irish?

21 Jul 2012 15:39:32
Lee Wallace is destined to join Aston Villa on a 3 year deal with a fee in the region of £100,000 subject to a medical. However, Rangers - in a repeat of the feat reminiscent of the error that resulted in loss of season ticket revenue - look set to recieve nothing after Charles Green and his consortium failed to deliver the necessary paperwork when transferring Wallace's contract to Newco Rangers. As a result, the money, when transferred to Rangers Oldco - the company that own Lee Wallace's contract thus deeming them the only legal recipients of the transfer fee - will be seized by HMRC and other creditors.

BLOODY IDIOTS!!!!

Where did you see this?

How does that work mate? Surely under TUPE they need to assign his terms to the Newco to pay his PAYE and NI. If he has been paid then surely he is on an implied contract with NEWCO. The PAYE gets paid on (I think) the 15th of each month in arrears shoots been over a month since Green took over? Only asking out of curiosity as done this many times. Stan. Ps, if I am wrong, happy to be corrected.

Made up rubbish,back to your own forum.Lee Wallace is now part of the New Rangers and the money will be paid to Hearts .You should be worried about who is putting you out of Europe not Rangers.You will have plenty of time to worry about them soon.jog on!

Green bought the players contracts from Duff & Duffer so any monies go to the newco - it's not rocket science

Green did not buy the players contracts, under TUPE law which applies to every company takeover in Britain with no exceptions) the employee(player) has the OPTION of whether they transfer their contract to the newco, if they do not want to they can just walk away!

Green bought the players contracts from Duff & Duffer so any monies go to the newco
The problem is there is no clarity. TUPE protects employees. transfer can't be done without their agreement. Also D&P have proved again and again to be inept. So I'm not saying Green hasn't bought the contract but who honestly believes D&P haven't balled it up?

Own forum?. Which one is that then, could the poster not support Motherwell, Morton or as anorak doe's East Fife. Think your a bit paranoid old bean.
Tam {Ed039's Note - Lets get this clear guys, this is a Rangers Rumours site, for folk to post rumours and opinions ABOUT Rangers, fans from other teams will post and as with other sites will continue to, Liverpool post on Everton and Man United, Man United post on Chelsea etc, anymore of anyone saying "go back to your own site" and I will block you)

Further to that, Lee Wallace agreed to transfer his contract to newco under TUPE, therefore if he was to go, any monies would go to newco.
Puts the rest of this post in some form of perspective, eh?

21 Jul 2012 15:09:50
ALLY McCOIST has come out strongly in relation to proposed sanctions against Rangers which are being demanded over the club's membership of the SFA.

The manager is unhappy that the SFA released a statement last night when an agreement had not been reached.


He contends that a signing ban is not an appropriate action and he has vowed that he will contest vigorously any attempt to strip Rangers of any titles.

McCoist had hoped to lead his depleted squad into action in friendlies in the coming days but the lack of SFA membership has prevented him from doing so.

The manager said today: "I am extremely disappointed that the SFA chose to release a statement last night when the Club has not actually signed any agreement.

"The club is trying to get to a position where we can plan for the season, which starts in only eight days.

"We have had meetings with the SFA all week to discuss membership but I had to leave the final meeting as I could not support the sanctions they were trying to impose.

"The decision has already been taken to place Rangers in Division 3 and we have accepted that, along with many more punishments. However, operating with an embargo on an already depleted first team squad - even with a window to sign players - will make the task ahead an extremely difficult one.

"It is important to remember we have already had a 10 point deduction from the SPL, lost our Champions League place for finishing second last season, had a £160,000 fine, been refused entry to the SPL, been relegated to Division 3 and lost the majority of our first team squad - yet still the governing body has chosen to impose further sanctions.

"The transfer ban has been strongly resisted by me, the management team, the Directors and supporters. Indeed The Rangers Fans Fighting Fund appointed a QC to defend the Club's position as the sanction was not available to the Appellate Tribunal.

"From a business point of view I can understand the position the Board has been placed in and ultimately they felt they had no choice but to accept some sanctions in order to move forward - as one of the alternatives could have led to the extinction of the Club.

"The Rangers fans have been magnificent throughout this entire process and on behalf of everyone at the Club I would like to thank them once again for their loyalty.

"I can also assure every Rangers fan I will not be accepting any talk of stripping the Club of titles. That is something we will never accept and everyone at the Club shares this view.

"We all need to get back to focusing on football but again my plans have been hampered as we have had to cancel a tour in the Highlands this weekend that would have helped us prepare for the season ahead.

"This is still Rangers Football Club and the supporters will continue to back us as they have always done. There will be difficult times ahead but I know with the support of our fans we can emerge stronger and rise to the challenge.

"Talks will continue next week and we all hope common sense will prevail to allow us to get back playing football."

Cant quite believe some of that drivel. Has he actually convinced himself thats true. WTF is he on about punishments of 10 point deductions and put into Division 3. Is he that out of touch with the situation. These were rules that every club would face if they fell into administration (10 point deduction last season) and the consequences every new company (start in the bottom division) Lost champions League place? (Admin, Newco, Oldco achievements?? anyone!) Im starting to believe that for some reason (Havent concluded why yet) they dont want rangers to play this season. Why contest this decision when the SFA have said they wont bend but will give Rangers a window to buy players. I mean the season starts in a week WTF is going on?

Are Rangers going to sit out this year and possibly be put straight into SPL or a new SPL2 next year by the powers that be? Because something must be going on, its like self sabotage.

I just cant get my head around these comments or actions

How many more times must it be explained to you, your ex club have not been punished, all that has happened is the CONSEQUENCES of you being liquidated. Timalloy

Another foot-in mouth statement by Ally! even i know that we never got into Europe,because we went into administration and also never produced accounts. As for rest of the sanctions they were because CVA was refused and we went into liquidation? Why is Ally trying to act like a supporter rather than an official of a club? why is he speaking in terms that are emotional rather than logical? i have a bad feeling Green etc just wind him up like a robot and let him loose when it suits their purpose. We needed 3yrs accounts etc to join Scottish Football ,NEWCO didnt have that? in fact oldco didnt have 3yrs acounts that were upto date but thats another matter? Is Ally seriously trying to blind everyone with this "This is Rangers Football Club" nonsense? We are being allowed into Scottish Football by the
back door and the authorities are allowing us too! but must be seen to be making some form of sanctions or they will be taken to court by others for changing rules to suit. This all looks like we will not be playing football next year and Green etc will walk away... with what ever they have managed to get their hands on.

McCoist in another wild rant. Does he really believe that they can get away scot-free with these crimes, if found guilty? sanctions placed on the club just now, 10pts deduction, div3 etc, are for going into administration and then liquidation...not for being caught cheating! when can he...and the others like him, get their thick skulls round this concept?

Well who s telling truth here?as Sevco are the ones who really own IBROX etc has Green been playing one of against the other? technically Murray, Mcoist right ? they didnt agree to the sanctions etc but Mr Green etc DID read on:
The Scottish FA can tonight clarify the position surrounding the outstanding Appellate Tribunal related to Rangers FC Oldco.

It has been agreed with Sevco Scotland Ltd that the registration embargo will be accepted as a primary condition of a transfer of membership.

It is necessary to complete the judicial process following the determination by Lord Glennie in the Court of Session that required the Independent Appellate Body to revisit available sanctions relating to Oldco, having been found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute.

The Scottish FA indicated to Sevco Scotland Ltd that they had to accept responsibility for any sanctions arising out of this case as a condition of transfer of membership.

Rather than convening the Appellate Tribunal to determine from the sanctions available to it, the company directors of Sevco Scotland Ltd have chosen to accept the 12-month registration embargo. This embargo will begin on 1st September 2012 and end on 31st August 2013.

Sevco Scotland Ltd have also undertaken to accept all other outstanding conditions relating to Oldco’s charges of bringing the game into disrepute. The conditional offer of transfer will now be submitted to the Appellate Tribunal for its consideration. This will form part of the approval process for the transfer of membership which, once approved, will enable Rangers FC to take a considerable step towards participating in Irn Bru Division Three.

In addition to the above, the Scottish FA has also received the necessary financial information requested and this is being considered as part of the application process.

Subject to the completion of all legal documentation, we anticipate transfer of membership next week.


The imposition of conditions relating to transfer of membership was made on the basis that the Scottish FA, as the governing body, has an obligation to protect the integrity of the national game and to ensure that all member clubs operate within the Articles of Association.

Oh
Sevco Scotland have agreed ? Will Ally step down ?if Green states he did agree?

Stop whimpering disagreement and leave the big boys stuff to Directors Ally. Guess Murray and Green wrote that piece for you.
It's not the same club that finished second last year. It's a brand new club unseeded, called The Rangers and no footballing history. Your delusional and emotional.

Not a Celtic supporter, merely an interested on-looker and Scottish football supporter but felt I had to make a few observations and comments about Mr McCoist’s Statement.

1. The signing ban is wholly inappropriate and unacceptable for any new club while planning their first league campaign in Scottish football.
2. I feel also, your new club was fortunate to be accepted into the SFL. This being in my opinion, a Political move to appease several parties and cobbled together against the regulations and the strong opinions of the Scottish football community as a whole, by those self appeasing parties.
3. The 10pt deduction was within the current rules, many other clubs have incurred this penalty for administration, however, that was ‘Oldco’ and not ‘Newco’. I agree also if the sanctions were not accepted then ‘Newco’ would not be admitted through the back door with no accounts etc. This was the price of taking the place of other clubs, who fulfilled the requirements. This still might result in a legal judicial appeal. If I was running Spartans or Cove Rangers I certainly would feel aggrieved.
4. The stripping of titles, this i feel can only be done when the dual contract and EBT scandal is proven. If it is proven it will be considered as cheating an any trophies, I would like to think would be voluntarily handed back. It is also my opinion that the rest of Scottish football should be compensated for the financial loss to them that is if the ‘Newco’ wish to keep their history then part of the history was stolen by unscrupulous practices.

I do however wish you all the best for the future
Morton Supporter

Ally except the ban, except we cheated and may lose titles that's only fair, I was one shouting at Marsaille when we were cheated, and let's move on YOU have 1 week to get license and get players! SFA will stop our license and we won't have a team to watch, that's more of a worry than all this hard man talk, leave the to Jardine & Brown!

I think ally headered to many balls when he was playing.

Briggs

I'm a bit confused here.
Transfer embargo, fines and football debts I get - but how can the SPL hold this up when we're not even one of their clubs?
They also want part of the media rights - surely that's down to the SFL? And if I read it right do they want Rangers to agree to sanctions for the EBT's before they even investigate it?

Good "God" this site is full of corporate Lawyers where were you all when we needed you?

SFL , has indicated that it will not be looking to remove any League cups that rangers won during ebt years, also now looking like no removal of Scottish cups either, mmhh now the only ones are the Spl , well as Meatloaf says 2 out of 3 ain't bad, the split between these organisations is getting bigger by the hour, I hear now the Spl will not let Rangers be accepted into the SFL unless they waive the rights to Rangers on the telly

To Timalloy who obviously doesn't or chooses not to understand English - punishment IS the consequence of an action - you can't have it both ways - it IS the same thing

I think Ally is finally losing it.
Those little helper meds the club doc at MP is giving him ain't enough. He's about to crash.

Punishment is not the consequence of an action but a sanction given for wrongdoing. Are you someone who acts and is always punished as a consequence?!

Rangers will have to take whatever punishment the SFA decide to give them, if they are not punished severely enough FIFA are waiting and watching and will hammer the SFA if Rangers are not punished for taking the transfer embargo to the courts. I fear it will take Rangers at least a decade to get back to the top of the game again! {Ed039's Note - I personally dont think FIFA care now, they have bigger problems than the SFL 3)

SFL actually said not looking to remove league cup titles "at this present time". That leaves door open as far as I can see.

Again, Ally made these comments on Rangers website and was picked up by other media sources from there.
It was then approved by Rangers PR & media staff, so what's the purpose? They are in negotiation right now and this may well be stating the opinion as well as getting info out publicly.
If we don't get an SFA licence, it is not only a consequence for Rangers but for scottish football as a whole. The main stumbling block is the SPL who are wanting a piece of any media pie that they relinquished rights to when they voted Rangers out.
Cake and eat it? Aye, right.

21 Jul 2012 11:55:28
Rumour about Barry Ferguson to return, anyone heard anything?

Gbear

Haha....this is getting stupid...apart from fact nothing has changed officially. no licence means no one would sign. until confirmed no new players.

Good, after all, this is the man who thought he was bigger than rangers when le guen was there.
all these mighty players that you think will sign to help you out the 3rd division will still expect big wages, lets see who you have come september 1st
frankiebhoy

Lets hope not. An ex captain who seemed to think his job was to growl at and bully the younger players. Our young squad will not want him there to ruin their confidence like he did with Adam, Hughes,Namouchi etc. A captain is there to lead the team, not shout at them

Yes because without Ferguson in the team Namouchi, Adam and Hughes all went on to be world class... (and before you say it, Adam is a £9m FLOP at Liverpool, I bet Ian Holloway is still laughing about that one).

I would welcome him back with open arms in a heartbeat, along with any other ex ger that signs (I think wee Nacho could yet turn out in a Rangers strip in the next couple of years, again I'd welcome him back)

Hughes, Namouchi, Adam? Sorry but they were all pish mate. If Ferguson did shout at them, it was because they weren't good enough. And before somebody starts telling me that Charlie Adam is a superstar - no, he is utter tripe and if you ask any Liverpool fan they will say the same - a few lucky one-footed hospital passes at Blackpool before being found out BIG TIME last year.

Ferguson who was one of the biggest culprits in the ebt schemes? Who underplayed and was overpaid and made a mockery of the Scottish national side? No thanks and ha if you think he cares about rangers enough to play in the 3rd

Ferguson was a good servant to rangers his blood ran blue thats why he shouted at the pish players you mention coz they werent good enough they frustrated him they didnt give 100% to rangers which ferguson did week in week out... i would love too see him back at rangers withiut a second thought.

Barry ferguson underplayed? Utter nonsense, man was a warrior, played through how many injuries, how many injections. carried that midfield to uefa cup final on one leg. Saying that when he left the first time lefts really bitter taste in my mouth but he won me round when he came back. Man was a great footballer and the rangers teams he played in for many years were not the best.

I went to school with barry and we still keep in touch. There is no way he will be back playing for us again. Apart from maybe in a masters game or something similar

21 Jul 2012 09:18:25
Rangers and Southampton come to agreement over Davis transfer.
AJM

Well done to southhampton at least they gave us something.

They have gave nothing. The money will got to Glasgow Rangers not The New Rangers. Davis refused to transfer

Southampton have stated on their website they have agreed to pay Glasgow Rangers, whoever they are. There was Rangers Football Club and now The Rangers Football Club, so the statement means we still have no idea who is getting the cash.

Thats where it belongs and am glad to hear the creditors are getting something

20 Jul 2012 23:29:47
Rangers deny any agreement reached over transfer ban
Cammy1250

SPL now want more sanctions imposed. This is part of the agreement with the SFA. Not oug the woods yet lads

SPL/Celtic still want more sanctions against Rangers,they're squeezing the cowardly SFA to be tougher against us. We must retaliate,cancel sky sports, asap. Sky,if put under pressure,might pull the plug or offer less money for new contract. The SFL could gain from their financial loss if sky decides to back us, if so,we can all renew our sky subscriptions.

Well Mr Murray finally comes out and speaks about the tragedy of accepting SFA sanctions. Im sorry to say, that now more than ever i feel Murray,Green and the rest of directors are here for only one thing ,,, themselves. Throughout his statement he keeps mentioning things like:"We have had days of discussions with the SFA and it is important for everyone, but most importantly our fans, to understand that the SFA said it would only transfer the membership to play football if we accepted some form of additional sanctions for the sins of previous regimes.(Murray,Green ect wanted OLDCO to transfer over as they needed it to get into football due to rules of needing accounts,which NEWCO cant have.)and "The choice is stark - take sanctions or risk not playing football at all. We do not wish to gamble with the Club's future so, under duress, we have taken the difficult decision to accept some sanctions in order to move forward). Have you accepted or not make your mind up?) Murray is doing the old "we will fight them on the beaches stuff" and attempting to get the fans on their side by making it sound like "everyone" is against them, when in fact they have agreed to the sanctions in princible! on the only "BASIS" that they as directors need "THEIR" money in NEWCO looked after, which means they need football. This is all a " SPEECH TO THE MASSES OF GERS FANS" TO GET THEM TO BUY SEASON TICKETS< which would allow Green etc not to spend a penny in getting in new players etc in the coming weeks which STRANGELY is being allowed? wonder why Murray didnt go into how the SFA allowed this ? since their being so "BAD".

I'm not sure this is right mate - I think they have agreed the 1 year ban starting 1st Sep - this let's us bolster our squad to deal with Div 3 and make us competitive in Div 2 until Xmas (assuming all goes well) - what they havent agreed is that the SPL continue with the dual contract case, whilst wanting a cut of the SFL media rights now that there is interest because of the Bears - this is disgraceful and the SFA refuse to call the SPL off or tell them to bog off on the media rights - Murray et al are right to stand their ground on this but unfortunately I think they will have to accept eventually as the SFA hold all the cards and the alternative is no football at all

The transfer ban is only a part of the package that has to be swallowed

Stripping of titles.

Repayment of all football debts - Arsenal Celtic, DUFC, Vienna ect

Sign over TV rights to SPL

How many season tickets will be sold if all of these are agreed.

The SFA / SPL look like they have both our b*lls and are ready to twist.

Celtic want more sanctions?Are you a nutter? This is about transferring a licence.Dont accept and play up from the juniors,you are being cut slack as a new club.Stop reading leggat and join us in the real world.

Where is the evidence Celtic are demanding sanctions on a team not even in their league ? And before I'm referred to as 'Timmy' - I'm a Jags fan. You people really should get a grip on reality.

Jags fan - draw yer neck in - it was just one guys view, what's with all the you people nonsense ? It's that crap from fans that has put football in the mess it's in this summer (Whyte was just the catalyst) ....

No its the attitude of "WATP" that creates problems. Anyone who voices an opinion thats critical of the former Rangers FC ( in administration) is assumed to be 'Timmy' by many of the old Rangers fans.
Its highly indicative of the paranoid tendency in Scottish football.
There are supporters of other teams out here in the big wide world.
JagsFan

I too am sick of the WATP crap. Our team has done wrong and deserves to be punished. They've done us a favour with the transfer ban, so shut up about it. We should pay off all our football debts and get on with things.

Having said that, I think the SPL wanting a share of Rangers' media rights has blown their "sporting integrity" stance right out of the water. They should be ashamed.
They want their cake and be able to eat it.

So jags fan - why are you here? There's a reason why people assume 99.5% of the haters on here are timmy's, as they post most of the dogs abuse we get. I am all for letting people voice their opinions as this is a banter page - but sometimes even i get hacked off with the bile on here from non rangers fans, some we deserve some we don't. We know there are other supporters on these pages and can listen to constructive criticism, but the continual abuse that is directed our way by some non Rangers fans is beyond a joke. So forgive us if we tar you all with the same 'timmy' brush, but your posts are no diffrerent from them.

Show me the bile in my posts my friend. Im here because its a democracy. We all have a right to free speech
JagsFan

Jags fan - it was me that said draw your neck in and don't judge all Gers fan by one persons comment - your staggering reply was to say to hell with the WATP mob and that I and my fellow bears think your all Timmy's - you really are a strange dude !

What can watp possibly mean ? Its just something to shout with no meaning to anyone apart from other watp shouters. I think it once was the cry of a group who thought they had a special place in society but is now just a wounded exclamation as they land with a bump at the bottom of a very long snake.

Dude? Away back to Venice beach ya gimp.

I dont think you read what I said. I didnt say 'to hell with the WATP crowd'. Nor did I say you and your fellow bears think all who criticise are 'Timmys'. I said MOST not all. I also said that the WATP crowd are the ones who have created much of the animosity towards your club, i think even a cursory persusal of comments on this site would bear that out. Many of the fans of the old Rangers ( in administration ) are still in denial and they are verbally lashing out at anyone who doesnt share their point of view. It's perfetly understandable. The soon to be demised club meant the word to them. That club is in its death throes and they are finding it hard to handle. Its a football club - thats all it is. When liquidation finally happens the world will still turn on its axis, the sun will still rise and set and birds will still sing in the trees.
JagsFan

JagsFan - Agreed you haven't posted 'bile' but unfortunately you are in the minority, the exception to the rule as to what we've had to put up with since February. As i've said, some of the grief we've deserved, some not. I'm in agreement, its a democracy and anyone can post on here, i never stated otherwise. All i said was sometimes we get hacked off with some of the posts on here especially if they're just getting digs in.