Rangers Rumours Archive July 18 2012

18 Jul 2012 21:51:46
Director of football at simply sport management . . . quick bio . . . crammed in quite alot for a 25 year old

Max is the Director of Football of Simply Sport Management. He is a Player' Agent Licensed by the English FA, who holds a master degree of laws from Durham University and a bachelor’s degree in business management with a focus on accounting and financial management. He also possesses nutrition and FA coaching qualifications.

Before launching Simply Sport Management, Max was part of Chubby Chandler’s International Sport Management and before that AMI Sports & Entertainment.

Earlier career experiences include working for large multinational companies and brands such as Polo Ralph Lauren, HSBC Investments and Microsoft respectively. He also has experience as an Agent in the motion picture industry having represented Academy Award and Golden Globe winners and also as a Management Consultant to the games industry.

This combination of qualifications, diversity of experience and knowledge enables Max to provide an unparalleled service to his sporting clients.

Crammed quite a lot in for a 25 year old . . .

When did he start his first degree course 12 years old?

Are you being serious here... these newboys, if you check the companys that they have had ,,or been involved in as directors (Thats what they going to be at Murray Park) are mostly either dormant or disolved after short period of years. They are in as part of the asset stripping brigade that are going to milk the club for the next 3 years then vanish.
Murray Park is a perfect venue at the snipe they have invested, to use as training/club Health resort to outside agencies such asooo Microsoft employees,HSBC staff,Ralph Loren etc etc. Every single man this Green brings forwarddont give a monkeys about Rangers and its tiem to waken up to this fact quickly.... or we going to be in same boat beofre we get back into Europe.

"working for large multinational companies and brands such as Polo Ralph Lauren, HSBC Investments and Microsoft respectively."
This could mean that he was a shop assistant in a Ralph Lauren shop, he worked in an HSBC call centre and he did call centre work for Microsoft or worked selling computers.
"He also has experience as an Agent in the motion picture industry having represented Academy Award and Golden Globe Award winners".
He was an office gopher who once phoned a taxi for Kate Winslett.

As a student I was employed as a Visual Enhancement Facilitator and also as an Industrial Hygiene Development Operative.
In the first case I cleaned windows and in the second I swept out a factory.
A bit less impressive if you put it in those terms isnt it.

18 Jul 2012 20:14:59
do you think the 9 trophies the paper spoke of will be stripped?

Yes and rightly so. The were won by cheating and should be deemed null and void. The shouldn't and will not be passed to runner up, Celtic will not want them either

According to stv there are no rules in place to say they can strip the cup's ..think they'll probably make one up as they go along though

Bit Out or Order! Another further act of hatred against us and our club - They can take them all they want in fact take the lot it wont make any difference to me. I know we won them I was there when we lifted most of they titles so they cant take that away from me. Didn't see the European Cup get taken away from a certain French side and given to us when they where doing far worse than we ever did or should I say have yet to be found guilty of doing. But suppose we live a country when your found guilty without trial now. There are forces at work who want to see our club completely destroyed through there own prejudice and dare I say it bigotry - but its just us that are the bad ones (AYE RIGHT).

Gers1986

It is looking likely that one way or another they will get chalked off. sooner or later m8

How is it an act of hatred towards you, the trophies were won with players who were on illegal contracts and should not have been playing. Makes me wonder how everyone can say Celtic's title last season is tainted (when it isn't) yet 5 of rangers titles in the last decade blatantly are.

Rangers have destroyed themselves no one else to blame. Your club hasn't had any punishment yet, points deduction and euro ban all part of administration process and is same for any club, liquidation because of clubs own debts, players leaving under freedom of contract. Restarting in div 3 is normal protocol for new club (should never have been taken to a vote).

Sfa have got it in for us bears big time they wont give us a break div 3 no players what more punishment can they think they can get away with

Well let's hope our unbiased SFA have got 100% prove that every player in every year that is being spouted about taken titles of us was on EBTs.Because if not i think any player who won said titles or cups will have a field day with said organisation.

To many people here dealing in unfounded alligation. Tax case not proven, talk of taking titles away is unfounded.
If Rangers had behaved like this the aligations of eletism and sectarianism would be rife !
WATP

The tax case is at appeal. Its the double contract allegation that'll be the downfall if proven

Forces at work, bigotry- who you talking about ?.If your going to say these thing's at least have the gut's to put your name to them.Coward.
Tam

If C.Green ditches any of our titles without a fight,just to appease sfa/celtic then any trust gained in the last week or so would soon evaporate.

Putting fair head on (a bad idea on this page at times) It has been said a number of times (i don't know as i've never read them ) that Rangers contained all Contractual details and payments in their accounts that were issued each year and accepted in total by SFA with no questions raised about said payments. Now i'm in no doubt that Rangers using EBTs is morally questionable but not illegal and quite likely Rangers didn't supply notification in the appropriate format but i find it hard to believe that the SFA were completely in the dark about said payments either SFA are completely incompetent , don't actually check the accounts information supplied or turned a blind eye so at the least were complicent probably due to the prevailing attitudes at the time. So while rangers may be guilty of failure to supply the specific contracts they aren't guilty of not being completely open about the payments to players. So surely the SFA complicity should be clear in any punishment meted out.

If we gained the titles or cups unfairly they should be given up to be fair i dont think celtic would want them either

Above... the sfa only need one player to have played one game in each year if any said players want to have a field day then they will have to have a field day with their employers ... you know ... the ones who broke the rules ...

To the OP, Who cares we'll win them back in the next 15 years!!!!

All it takes is for one player to play one game in the season for the whole team to miss out!

Team mates not directly cheating, are guilty by association, like in Athletics with Dwayne Chambers, when he was found guilty Chambers' 2002 relay gold medal performance was erased, which also cost team-mates Darren Campbell, Marlon Devonish and Christian Malcolm their medals in the process.

Unfortunately our highly efficient and organised SFA were never prepared for what has happened and are mainly "winging it." If Rangers won anything with players who were on EBT's then they did so illegally. Removing that record from the history books will not change anything in the hearts and minds of the supporters. Rangers management created a mess but it has also shown that our top brass to not have a clue. They have, for years, ruled with impunity delivering fines, suspensions etc as it suited them. I hope when all this eventually settles down and we get back to football the SFA/SPL/SFL management are taken to task and we end up with one group of football people running the entire show and applying the rules fairly and equally across the board. There may have been a case for seperate groups years ago but that is not the case today.
I, like a previous comment, also believe the SFA are being manipulated to some extent by EUFA/FIFA on this. That said, I did not see any mention of sanctions on the team who bribed the ref at the European cup semi-final against Dundee Utd.

Its down to the players apparently.If all those playing at the time say they would have playedsigned if they were paying taxes anyway then there was no cheating of anyone but the taxman and nothing was won unfairly. They are then only culpable to the taxman. Problem there is that the players then become responsible for the tax bill...

Me thinks sfa secretary at time might have been cambell ogilvie. could he have turned a blind eye?

Cambell ogilvie admitted he was on EBTs.

You couldnae make it up.

18 Jul 2012 17:17:25
r we goin 2 have any pre-season friendlies? I heard on ssn that green is trying to get olympiakos to play us. {Ed052's Note - there are a couple of pre season friendlys against junior sides in the next week

Behind closed doors because of licence situation.

Heard there's one being set up against a Third Lanark select ! {Ed052's Note - We are supposed to be playing a testimonial match next Wednesday against Kelty hearts at central park, Kelty, 7pm ko

YES GAME AGAINST KELTY HEARTS NEXT WEEK BUT DO NOT KNOW IF IT STILL ON OR NOT

It better be on i have tickets for it actually so do about another 3000 its sold out.

18 Jul 2012 15:56:52
I posted saturday that the strip will be sky blue tops black short and black sock nike will be the sponsor and the bagde will be AR interlinked the name will Albion Rangers it has some relation to the famous four

I think you might mean Argyll (original name of club)

Well the new strip is available for ore order from jd n it's the same badge

Go online to JD sports, search Rangers and you get the 2012 strip. It's got the same RFC moniker but the 5 stars are removed.
The 5 stars were an addendum to the badge and not part of the badge, as per all teams who wear stars to signify achievement. Hence the RFC badge is exactly the same as it has always been.

Is that not just the one that came out for old co as stars aren't on badge of that either there on arm.

Is it not white with arrows going up and down it?

It's Umbro and has the stars on it, more made up stories... Must be mr timmy again!

I preordered the 2012/2013 top, it has no stars above the badge, its down the seem next to "tailored by umbro" so i have no idea what gash yous are all on about!

18 Jul 2012 12:43:21
Hi Ed, any info about if Rangers will be in FIFA 13 ? The SFL isn't included so do you know if it will be or if Rangers could possibly be in the Rest Of The World ?

The Bear Down Under. {Ed052's Note - Stastement last week says they only have a contract with spl clubs only. Dont know if they might sneek us into the rest of the world

Last I heard they were considering a seperate agreement with Rangers to have them included.

Wonder how long it will be before someone calls for a FIFA boycott lol

Yeah they will be included but will only be ranked as half a star!!!

Will they have to alter their name?

Will league tables on sports sites and TV Saturday 5pm read out Rangers or The Rangers?

Not taking the P1ss.

Whats going to happen?

I can't believe there are Gers fans out there that actually give a toss about FIFA 13. What world are you from. The lifeblood of our club has been sucked out in the past 12 months and all you care about is a bleedin console game. Forget FIFA 13 and get yourself out to some games next year and get behind your team!

Am ony eightand my maw will not let me go to the fitbaw.

Sfl 1 are in FIFA 13 and juventus when they were relegated in they were in the 'other teams' section on the following seasons PES. So it's possible

Where did he say it was the most important thing to have rangers in FIFA all he done was ask a question. I for one have been having a look on the same matter doesn't mean I don't care about anything else

How can I possibly get myself out to some games next year if I live in Australia ?

The Bear Down Under.

18 Jul 2012 13:26:11
Transfer embargo to be lifted and a possibility of rangers starting D3 with a 15 point deduction? Is this true...... {Ed052's Note - not heard anything as yet

I dont think there will be a points reduction but i think they will keep the transfer imbargo and investigate the ebts for future punishment ie loss of titles cups etc and a further check on cgs consortuim to make sure the sfa knows whos all involved before rangers can get the transfer to play in division 3 in that way we know there is nothing dodgy going on i still cant believe we are in division 3 its hard to take this will take us years to rebuild i hope we get the paperwork to play in div 3 tho as for a canter back to the spl this isnt that straight forward its a real sorry mess we are in as a bear i was really ashamed the way the old co done buisness it was not they way a football club like rangers should have been run the men responsible have ruined our image forever and thrown our 140 years of being succesfull into a defunct book they took our money with disregard and treated the old club and fans with lies and contempt this new rangers club should be be open with the fans no more treating us like cannon fauder we dont ask for much but treat us with some respect lessons need to be learned a healing process and genuine regret is needed then maybe we can move forward with dignity and our heads held high forget about having it in for other clubs this is not the new start we want time to move on

I may be petty here but i personally want to see all the clubs that kicked us when we were down suffer big time

Aye its time to move on rebuilding the club and be talking about the fitbaw watever we are called a new leaf its really regretable this has happenned mr murray the new director said sorry for the old co actions pity the rest have not said sorry

Poster 2 - yes it is a bit petty but understandable.
Look for some positives out of this mess.
Rangers now have an opportunity to progress back up to the SPL as champions of each division as the go. No other club will have achieved that in Scotland Div 3/Div 2/Div 1/SPL Champions. And all done legally, legitimately and deservedly.

18 Jul 2012 11:35:00
new rangers away kit. black with light blue stripes. {Ed052's Note -seen it last night mate. when does it go on sale do you know?

Can anyone explain who allowed us to play last night? iS IT LEGAL OR ILLEGAL?and if illegal what could be possible consquences.?

Should be okay if it was a closed door game as they are classed as training games.

Anyone got a link? Cant find a pic of the top anywhere {Ed052's Note - http://www.jdsports.co.uk/product/umbro-rangers-third-shirt-2012/13-pre-order/86233/?cm_re=HL-_-JDfootball-Football-Shirts-_-LastestAndGreatest-86233

It was a closed-doors game so no SFA license was required. If we are to play friendlies where there will be supporters in attendance then we require a license from the SFA

Do any of you know where i can get a wee peak at the new rangers kit (Away) {Ed052's Note - Google (pre order Rangers 3rd kit)

Wanting to know when the new away kit goes on sale when the sales of the home kit haven't yet exceeded 1000!!

Of course the kits will change in the near future when more sponser's "walk away" and of course the nonsensical 5*'s are forcibly removed.

The bears do realise that it's not the history that CG is trying to preserve, it's the correlation of the Rangers brand.

Only a fool would believe that you could "buy" history, especially from a company will be liquidated.

And before you start the club became the company in 1899.
Naismith, Whittaker, Smith, Hately and CG have admitted this in the public domain.

Away and support your own team, but sorry i forgot you lot are totally obsessed by the real Big Team.

Only a fool would believe that you could "buy" history, especially from a company will be liquidated - Read the Fiorentina Viloa story ya muppet....Rangers then Rangers now deal with it :)

Can anyone explain who allowed us to play last night? iS IT LEGAL OR ILLEGAL?

..........................................................

It was LEGAL.

They didnt use a baw.

The greatest epic ever told.

I think we are on the last chapter.

Sales haven't exceded 1000...well i have mines! And i didn't realise that we now employ a tube from the other side to keep check on our shirt sales :)
Same old Celtic...fasinated with our story as it's better than the drose served up at the Piggery

If we played a bounce game with an officially registered refs and assistant refs in charge, we could be in trouble !

I'm dying to see the real Big Team start playing, think they go under the pseudonyms of HMRC, FIFA and EUFA. Theres no way to bend their rules. {Ed052's Note - who are EUFA

Seriously how would certain people know shirt sales havent exceeded 1000. as this has been reported NOWHERE. i know this is a rumour site but FFS dont come on and write complete Colin Nish just for the sake of it go onto your own rumour page

Gary

Just a wee typo Ed you know who i mean.is that the best reply you can think of. {Ed052's Note - Calm yourself down mate it was a joke

Iv read cg list of assets and i cant see this page listed so would i be right in saying this rumours page still refers to oldco ? is their any plans for a sevco rumours page ? {Ed052's Note - It will always be rangers rumours page. Same as the club will always be rangers

18 Jul 2012 09:50:31
Right, Here we go again! Big Bomber making it all to complicated if you ask me, just when you think Green is getting a few steps ahead ,he raises his head and starts the doubt creeping in?
I just want to go and watch my team play football, yes am Pi55 ed off its Div 3, but hey, on the other hand, can't wait to give it a go.
I once heard some1 say, "that its more than a club", and it is not just for Rangers fans but for every person who go's week in week out, to what ever division there team plays in.
This is a way of life for some people!! Get it sorted!!

He's exactly what we need.

A true Rangers man.

Get behind him like Daz.

I for one wish Big Bomber would just leave it struggling not to swear here. He ask's who has the deeds for Ibrox, the training ground and the car park and tried too fill our heads with a comment Green has said to him we should be all worried about but won't tell us what so how can we back him he is holding back just as Murray did for years. I for one wouldn't trust his judgement cause he's a Gers man god look at some of the players we signed last season on probably his judgement.

Has Barry coughed up �40,000?

I don't thnk so.

Daz big bomber must know something we dont im very wary just now not spending another penny till this is sorted i smell a rat here

He was probably told the assets are safe in an English Holding Company and the investors have no intention of supporting any non-recoverable losses due to fans not buying tickets. Hardly the X-files, if they have calculated they can get �20 million maximum from a fans share issue, the are not going to invest �30 million.

Anorak.

Am I missing something here but Bomber has obviously spoken to Ally and Ally is happy to continue to work with Mr Green to move Rangers forward, therefore like me Ally must think Brown is talking mince or he'd quit surely?

After all if he said he was supporting Bomber then surely funds really would start pouring in for him and Bomber did say he would give Ally a 5 year contract.

BARNEY BEAR

Ally has nowhere to go.

His first year as manager of Rangers FC was poor, to be honest.

Bomber epitomises everything that is wrong with our worst type of supporter . Sure , his heart is in the right place but his demeanour , his aggression, his lack of articulation and his general mouthiness does our cause no favours. Step aside , big man!. You mean well but someone with more clarity and more organisational know how would surely enhance your case !

McCoist should quit and him and Brown can disappear over the horizon.As for "Bazza" he can stick his �40,000 right up his arse,he took millions out the club and let's not forget his EBT loan. No wonder he is willing to help Bomber out, both of them are a complete embarrassment when compared to true Rangers men like Sir Walter or John Greig. If Brown knows something he should come out and tell is what it is or pi$$ off and let us get on with it.

Sir Walter also took EBT payment from Sir David Murray when he was managing Everton.

Rangers were only 5 pts behind celtic with about 12 matches left, when going into administration. Celtic automatically gained more confidence because they knew the run-in would be a lot easier against a shell shocked Rangers. Well we all know that Celtic always seem to bottle it when put under pressure in a title run-in. My point is, Ally never had a fair crack of the whip against Lennon over 38 matches.LEAVE ALLY ALONE!

What about the domestic trophies?
What about out of Europe before we were in it by diddy teams?
But saying that.... I do think Ally will do well in the Third Div.

Rangers where only five point behind celtic before administration but had blew a 15 point lead thats a 20 point difference before administration ... namelessme

18 Jul 2012 07:50:41
rangers to be stripped of 5 titles and 4 scottish cups, what next the goal posts and the scoreboard. regans vendetta growing pace by the minute.

The problem is we had dual contracts with the EBT scheme which is illegal.

Just 5, I think you cheated much more than that.

That is old rangers 1872 not new rangers 2012

Yeah yeah keep going on about cheating, it doesn't mask the fact, that the eleven we put out was better than the eleven Celtic put out.

So if Rangers stripped of titles and games never existed well well well. Rangers fans are entitled to claim back all money from away game during these years. After all we went to games that did not exist so fans consult your lawyers about it

I see posts continually here saying that old Rangers is not the same as the new Rangers and other posts that say the opposite that old Rangers is the same as new rangers. It seems many fans just use whatever suits the outcome of the post.

If old Rangers are to be stripped of titles for our historical indiscretions then so be it – lets face it, the club (not the fans) deserve what they get. Personally I don’t care now about the history. In fact I’m fed up hearing about it and also extremely embarrassed all of this has came to light about the club I love. It really has been a disgrace and it’s no wonder the rest of Scottish football want to teach the club a lesson so that it never happens again. I just want to see the team back playing in any league and starting the long process of getting some form of credibility back if indeed that can ever be achieved.

Lets take the rest of our punishment whatever that ends up being and move on. I’m really look forward to the day when we can field a strong team run by credible management, holding our heads high and playing with the passion and commitment that the fans can once again be proud of. I think that day is a long way off yet though unfortunately but in the meantime good luck to Dundee and the rest of the SPL teams and hopefully one day soon we will be back competing in the top flight.

Does that mean anyone who had an EBT is considered to have cheated, if so Celtic by thier own admission also had at least one EBT for Juninio should they not also be punished for dual contracts as well regardless of any tax they may have paid.

EBT's are not/were not illegal at the time we were using them, just highly immoral

So if Rangers stripped of titles and games never existed well well well. Rangers fans are entitled to claim back all money from away game during these years. After all we went to games that did not exist so fans consult your lawyers about.

Great Idea did you keep your old tickets for these games as proof of purchase? Did you buy them at the ground or did you buy them at Ibrox. If you bought tem at the Ibrox ticket officer or supporters club then you need to claim the money of them and they will deal with the clubs. Of course then the clubs in question can sue Sevco as the inheritor of the old Rangers SFA share.

Go ahead. perhaps the RFF will fund your consultation with a lawyer.

It's not the ebt's that were wrong, but the dual contract's.
Tam

With regard to EBT's. I suspect that several teams down south in the EPL are sweating bucketloads at the minute. How else do you suppose certain top players in England paid less than 5% income tax the other year as reported in several English newspapers at the time. I believe some paid as litlle as 2%. Shell companies and loans with bonuses. Sounds a lot like EBT's and tax avoidance to me. So tell me this. If it's good enough to hammer Rangers over tax avoidance, why are Celtic ( Juninho et al ) and the so called biggest clubs in the world not getting hammered. I accept that we did wrong but to persue and punish just one club is farcical and smacks of being someone's personal agenda. As various posters have come on and said, it cannot be one rule for one club and another rule for another club.

Coreect, Celtic did have an EBT for Juninho but it was fully disclosed to HMRC. Furthermore, there was NO DUAL CONTRACT, it was all declared upfront. Therefore the player was fully aware what he would be paid and by what means. Also the tax man was consulted and there were no ramifications. Stop clutching at straws and take your punishment without trying to drag everyone else down. Remember, "for every pound Celtic spend we will spend 5". It had to be financed somehow.

They were used at the same time as Rangers used them, so why are Rangers cheats and Celtic only immoral .

Fair enough, If we are found to have broken SPL rules then we take our medicine.

In a way I am happy that is all we will be getting stripped off as I feared we might lose some or all of the NIAR.

EBT's declared illegal. Big tax case is an appeal by Oldco against that decision. HOWEVER the main problem is dual contracts, which SFA and SPL say we have a case to answer. It is 2 contracts that may cause loss of titles as this is regarded as financial doping.

It was on the accounts submitted to SFA that EBTs were being used, these were accepted by SFA.

Dunno if I'm bein a bit thick but what is NIAR?

Okie Dokie, lets summarise the procedural PUNISHMENTS handed out to Rangers( the club).

1: 10 point deduction last year for going into administration.
2: Fined and a transfer embargo for CW's improper governance.
3: 3 year European ban for failing to submit continuous accounts and for being liquidated.
4: Refused CVA by HMRC for SDM & CWs improper tax affairs.
5: Refused SPL membership transfer from oldco to newco for being very unpopular with other fans.
6: Refused SFA licence unless 3 million football creditors are paid.
7: Stripped of 9 titles-trophies for EBT irregularities.

If Rangers ( the club) can overcome all these obstacles and return to the SPL to once more challenge Celtic, then the fans can be proud once again of their club and its history.

p.s. I will miss the OF games but not the bigotry.

Anorak.

EBTs were not illegal if they were adminstered within the rules of EBTS, there's a load of information out there on them if anybody needs to find out more.

Obviously it looks like we broke some of these rules, certainly by what Billy Dodds himself has said. As for Graeme Souness and possibly others receiving them outwith their employment at Ibrox (we've all probably heard the rumours about another ex manager) then I would assume this cannot be legal and would assume BDO/HMRC will be only too interested in investigating further.

If we are stripped of these titles then hopefully the same thing that happened in Australia to Melbourne Storm (who I seem to remember used dual contracts but I'm not absolutely sure) will happen here and the titles just won't be awarded to anyone.

Daily Rebel reporting to have access to documents showing possible titles/cup deductions.This is either more crap from this rag or (someone? )at SFA is given out information which should not be in the public domain.

Eds will the titles go to second place? So Celtic get 5 spl's? That gives Celtic an 11 in a row. Also our old club's record goes down from 54 to 49! So guess the 5 stars should never have been. {Ed052's Note - Not sure how it will work yet. Im sure when Juventus were in trouble for match fixing they gave tittles to second place.

@ Anorak - Think it's important we differentiate the difference between sanction/punishment and Rangers being victimised. By the way, not saying that is your stance, but for the avoidance of doubt...

1: 10 point deduction last year for going into administration. [Rangers were part of the decision to put this measure in place. Applied irrespective of the club in question)
2: Fined and a transfer embargo for CW's improper governance. (Fines should all stand against the oldco, and there are your if your transfer SFA membership. You can always apply for a new one?! - Transfer embargo, I'll give you that one, however I would say that whilst alot of Rangers fans feel you have been single out here, there is a counter arguement which suggests the powers that be were trying to avoid suspending or terminating your membership. Persnoally, I don't feel the embargo should should be apply, I'd be happy if Rangers settled all there footballing debts and are allowed to sign up to 11 players as a comprimise.]
3: 3 year European ban for failing to submit continuous accounts and for being liquidated. [Agreed]
4: Refused CVA by HMRC for SDM & CWs improper tax affairs. [C'mon, the CVA was a penny in the pound. This is not a punishment, the rejection of your CVA meant creditors actually got even less. The creditors are the ones who have been punished.]
5: Refused SPL membership transfer from oldco to newco for being very unpopular with other fans. [Not being unpopular with fans may have been a driver, but what actually occurred was the previous precedents(liv,gretna, etc), much how laws are formed, were applied to your club. Rangers got their say on livi and gretna, so Rangers should and have been afforded the same options.]
6: Refused SFA licence unless 3 million football creditors are paid. [This is because you want to transfer membership. If you don;t want the fines, make a new application once you have 4 years financial statements. And in keeping with following the rules, I'd expect to see a Spartans or Gala Faridean applying for the available slot this season and Rangers can re-apply the time a slot open up (which by the way will be next year as they will reconstruct the league to get you guys back in!]
7: Stripped of 9 titles-trophies for EBT irregularities. [Sounds fair to me. However, any other clubs who have been at the capers should expect the same treatment, with this precedent set.]

I feel sorry for many Rangers fan. The real problem here though is the use of spin. Lots of fans are twisting the information to suit their opinion(again, not a dig at you directly - The large majority of your posts are on the money). However all the 'positioning' is to the determine of your club. Your fan base isn't see the wood for trees. All this mi-communication and sensationalism is playing right into the hands of the media who are playing everyone off against each other (no change there!).

The rules and previous precedents have been followed to the letter by the power that be and they will continue to do that. The sooner your fan base recognises this and come to terms with the likely outcome, you can set about getting behind whoever you want to take your club forward, knowing exactly where you stand.

@'celtic did have an ebt...' CFC did not py the HMRC up front. When it became clear that there was a problem using the ebt, CFC paid the backdated Tax and NI to the HMRC. Difference.

NIAR - Nine in a row.

As for the reallocation of titles, I hate to disappoint some but this may not happen.

Juve lost two titles - one was awarded to Inter the other was not assigned.

Marseille likewise were stripped of their French title in 1993 for the match fixing scandal that is often wrongly attributed to their 1993 European Cup win.

On this occasion as far as I am aware the French title was not reallocated.

As such I don’t know how this would even be counted up. If titles were not reallocated would Celtic be on something like 6 in a row or would the years with no winners break that sequence?

The stripping of titles is clearly historic and therefore applies to the Old Co. The SFA rules are straightforward on this, all games where an improperly registered player took part will be awarded 3-0 to the opposition. If this had come out 10 years ago Gers would have been relegated to Div 1.

I think it was Spartans who were chucked out of the Scottish Cup recently because one of the forms submitted to the SFA had only one signature when it should have had 2.

Strip us of titles cup p**s off can you all answer these ?
1 did rangers have more players on the park
2 did rangers play more matches than any other team to amass points in the league

3 did rangers have better players than any other team

4 are celtic fans just on the band wagon against rangers

5 who will be responsible to pay the fans back for all the travelling to away matches travel costs beer cost ticket costs will every team in the spl give back the money generated by rfc fans going to there town not just to there stadiums

Furthermore Celtic have already ADMITTED they 'forgot' to notify either the SFA or the SPL of Juninho's Dual Contract arrangement................

Did these wrong doings help rangers on the field? no they didnt so if they strip the titles i will never go to another game if we eventually return to the spl ! These dual contracts had nothing to do with our on the field performance so we should be punished in another fashion

FauldsRFC

Footballers in ANY league are only allowed to have 1 contract,which is then lodged with the nationalFA. IN OUR CASE players had a side contract that paid them extra money under the table, avoiding them paying tax.
This meant that we had players who we couldn't afford to pay normally with tax and NI deductions. As such, the club put players on the pitch that we couldn't afford to pay for. Therefore they shouldn't have been in the shirt, and we shouldn't have won what we won.

SDM MANIPULATED THE SYSTEM, AND HAS BEEN CAUGHT OUT. The blame lies firmly at his door. Celtic declared their 1 EBT and paid the tax. SDM couldn't afford to pay the tax on ours, as MIM was up the creek with Lloydstsb.

This is the reason he really sold us out to CW.

Well they enabled you to field players you couldnt otherwise have afforded so I think that answers the points made.

"Did these wrong doings help rangers on the field? no they didnt"

Are you mental? It allowed them to sign better players and as such win titles. Hence now being stripped of said titles.

Regarding:

'5 who will be responsible to pay the fans back for all the travelling to away matches travel costs beer cost ticket costs will every team in the spl give back the money generated by rfc fans going to there town not just to there stadiums'

While this post appears to be the ravings of a mad man it does touch on a key issue and that is the one of compensation.

Sure dish out titles and cups to whoever but have the SFA/SPL thought of the consequence of compensation?

Now I am not buying into compensating fans for matches etc as I still think we enjoyed this success and those memories will still be there. Likewise if someone else is allocated a titles, well they might have it on their record but they still bawled at the time when the missed out.

The problem however would be financial compensation for clubs who missed out on Champions League or Europa/UEFA football as a result.

Here you have an issue that could end up costing millions if successfully challenged.

Here we go again "I will never go to another away game if they do that" When are you people going to learn. The more we threaten the more they all fight back. The good old days are gone. No one fears us any more. I honestly believe it is that kind of nonsense that has cost us our SPL place. No more of this crap please. We know what we have to do now. Play Football support our team and lets make sure the next generation of Rangers fans have something to be proud of it is our duty. WATP
Jada

Did these wrong doings help them on the field ? of coarse they did if rangers are bringing in players on 65 grand a week tax free thats equivalent to 90 grand a week at other clubs if we bring a player in on 40 grand a week plus tax it would cost (roughly) 65 grand a week so yous living tax free means you can bring in top class players when everyone else is bringing in second rate players with tax and its costing the same money

Anorak is not a Rangers fan, I am an East Fife fan.
My personal compromise to point 5 would have involved the SPL accepting the newcos membership transfer but then relegating them to Division 1.


Anorak.

The SFA/Celtic can't re-write history. We won these competitions fair & square. We were there and witnessed it. We have the memories, the videos and newspaper cuttings !! Celtic will never have that.

WATP

Have I missed something? I did not realize it was Celtic who were possibly taking the titles and cups off of Rangers recorded history...i thought it was the SFA.

This is just getting stupid fair enough so the club did something wrong over a period of time and we should be punished but celtic fans now think we should have every title removed, take the 5 titles, it still leaves the history of rangers with more than celtic. And if they remove them who gets them because celtic didnt win enough games to win those titles therefore they should not receive them, they should simply be removed and nothing else.

If celtic get awarded the titles then we will be far more than nine in a row so even thou you get to keep it nine and a row will be meaningless

17 Jul 2012 23:02:09
Newco taking legal action against Duff and Phelps over £500k Newco claim Duff & Phelps are due to return to them, but haven't.

Source: BBC

Mac2.

And why would they return it? they are still workin in the shadows at ibrox and still need paid. they know they wont get anythin off green if they hand it over just now. expect allegations of newco not pain creditors either now.
frankiebhoy

There is only one pain in this tread and that is you frankie

JG

The freaky porn star that created the EBT scheme for the club formerly known as Rangers FC clearly stated that the bus was perfectly legal in the format it was intended for and moreover , the erratic way in which it was driven ultimately led to the catastrophic crash which effectively rendered it unfit for purpose ,, reckless driving will always result in carnage .

In answer to above poster WRT english clubs,EBTs etc.I'll take it one point at a time:
1.I'm sure some English clubs are looking over their shoulder.HMRC are chasing everyone.
2.EBTs were legal at the time.That's not disputed.What is disputed,is how RFC ran theirs.
3.Celtic inherited an EBT when signing Juhnino from Middlesborough.They declared this and paid all tax due.No issue here.
Unfortunately,we're in deep sh*t and may not play at all next season.We can approach our problems from 2 directions:
1.We can blame CFC,HMRC.we can say they did it as well,why us?.Bury our heads in the sand and complain of vendettas,conspiracies,illegalities by other people.In effect do nothing but moan.
Or,
2.Get off our backsides,accept RFC is bust and put our efforts into getting a new club off the ground.The in-fighting with Brown,Green,D&P etc only makes matters worse.We can channel our efforts towards claiming unfair treatment,punishments(we've not actually had any yet)etc,or concentrate on getting a team on the park.I know which is most important to me!.

The guy/gal that posted that above is 100% correct. This is the type of fan the NewCo needs right now, a realist.
Blaming EVERYONE else for the dealing of YOUR club only confirms that the fans of the rest of the clubs in the SPL/SFL were right and justified in relegating you to what ever league you now find yourselves in!
I am Celtic fan who is sick to the back teeth of all this, take your punishment, pay your bills, buy a part in the new club and be proud that you have a part of your club, I did with my Celtic shares. The price has plummeted since I bought them but hey, do you know what, I wouldn't sell them for 10000 x the value. It is one of the things that I will pass on to my kids for them to do the same, it is what makes us the club we are today!
Good luck and all that, I think that you are going to need it these next 5 years or so, but the TRUE fans will be there at the end!