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16 Jun 2012 18:59:35
By Jim Spence BBC Sport

The Scottish FA aims to push through a merger of the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League in time for the start of the new season.

The governing body also wants to introduce a fairer system of income distribution and a pyramid system.

One SFA source told BBC Scotland: "We are at a situation of critical mass.

"Someone has to take a lead and sort out the internal bickering and point scoring and also to ensure that the Rangers situation never happens again."

With Rangers destined for liquidation, a new company will submit a bid to join the SPL in time for next season since there are no regulations in place to cover the issue of a 'newco' route.

Once that application is received top flight clubs must wait at least 14 days before voting on the matter.

Should a new Rangers fail to gain the necessary 8-4 vote, they could turn to the SFL and apply to fill any vacancy created by a team being promoted into the SPL to take the place of the old Rangers.
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"The Rangers situation has intensified the need for a resolution and, over the next few weeks, we will meet with the SPL and SFL to find a solution”

SFA source

But the SFA has lost patience with the two league bodies and is now set to push through radical change in the way the Scottish game is structured by next season.

"We need to use the mood for change among supporters in the country to tackle the current inertia and do what is right for the game," the source continued.

"Change has to be democratic, but the time for talking has passed. We need action now to save the game."

It is understood that, over the next few weeks, the SFA, which is the body that licenses the clubs to play, will hold meetings with the SPL and the SFL to push through the changes it feels are needed.

The SFA wants to merge the two current league bodies, introduce a new method of wealth distribution and to reinvigorate the Third Division with the introduction of a pyramid system to allow new clubs entry to a national league set-up.

"There is complete anarchy going on," the source continued. "Both sides are agreed on the need for fundamental change, but neither side has been able to build an alliance.

"The fans are demanding fundamental change. The Rangers situation has intensified the need for a resolution and, over the next few weeks, we will meet with the SPL and SFL to find a solution."
P.O.B.

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There's not enough time to do half of that by start of season. Why the urgency?
It's all about Rangers!
Rangers rangers rangers causing the problems.
Structural change is massive and it can't be achieved in 5 weeks. It's all about getting Rangers into SPL top flight in one year.

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Well that's it, Campbell Ogilvie hopelessly conflicted now and an embarrassment to the SFA.

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Making it look to Green that hanging around at Gers won't be profitable as the diddy clubs get your revenue. Nice one. But will he call the bluff? Because none of above will be achieved by end July.

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Exactly. Lets be seen to be doing something but lets ake sure this new club is protected. utter corruption

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How can it be an 8-4 vote as there are only 11 teams in the SPL?

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Its a hard situation it will take 6 to 8 weeks for the old club to be dissolved so the newco is in limbo just now

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Cuz rangers aren't properly liquidated yet so still technically 12

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Old Rangers didn't submit their audited accounts to the SPL on Friday, after 2 extensions! The SPL will remove old club on Monday and strip their vote.
It's corruption having two rangers clubs one voting for the other.

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There's dozens and dozens of contracts in place for the different leagues, from TV to sponsors, to ambulance support to policing, the terms and conditions of such contracts are aligned to existing structured not to new structures.......... This is a one year project to just understand all the issues. Not to make rash changes.
Who is the SFA spokesman incidentally?

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Time for us to grow a pair and refuse to contribute to any dialogue that would mean that we come cap in hand to anyone. If they want us in the league then fine if not we go to the third and let them live with the consequences to themselves. We are not in Europe for 3 years and why line these vultures pockets, lets distribute the wealth to the lower league's and not accept any compromises that satisfies their Rangers hating fans whilst they try to salvage the SKY TV deal.Leave them to perish while we serve our time.

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Say they decide to merge and have a 16 team top flight, how does that work for the clubs in the First who have budgeted for playing there suddenly be forced to find the extra cash for paying players SPL wages if they are contractually obliged to do so.

The SFA, SPL and SFL should merge and becomei the Association of Scottish Football, however it can't happen in less than six weeks!

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If there are still 12 teams then there is no space for newco rangers. Anyway, new companies do not get into the top division, there are far more deserving clubs.

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For godsake you's were breaking the law for years, Now you want everyone to feel sorry for you's, Take your punishment and deal with it. Don't to the crime if you can't to the time

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I agree we should goto 3rd leaguue and take our punishment. No Euro for three years we would be back in SPL by then and able to compete better with 0 debt and a stronger club. I dont agree to being in the SPL for pure money reasons and the poss of getting sanctions on the newco in spl will make competing much harder. The other SPL clubs dont want us so let them rot in the SPL for three years with lower revenue from loss of Tv and gate money. We will survive.

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Crazy there are three governing bodies involved with managing our football league structure. Bad enough when it was just two but then the big clubs (including the 'gers) got greedy and set up the SPL.

Yes, merge the lot of them. Then the various functions can be done by subcommittees.

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16 Jun 2012 18:11:30
News that oldco Rangers had to deliver audited accounts to SPL on Friday (yesterday). D&P did not achieve this. This was the second deadline extension and SPL have no option but to remove oldco membership. This means oldco cannot vote on Newco Rangers entering SPL.

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No, it doesnt really mean that, even if true. Oldco Rangers are still technically SPL members for now.

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Won't matter. We won't get enough votes to stay in as all other SPL clubs have such immense integrity they can't possibly allow a newco straight in. To vote Gers in would compromise this integrity.

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How much bending over backwards will SPL continue to do for Rangers? Absolutely no SPL punishments to date but lots of helping Rangers out!

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Well it's all rumour and counter rumour but my understanding is that if no accounts were delivered then no license can be issued. Membership of the SPL is dependent on ownership of a license. There is also the small matter that old Rangers technically no longer have a stadium so therefore fail the SPL membership criteria on that point too. In other words the whole situation is a mess. I can see us being tied up in the courts for years to come.

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We have got to remember the wheels are in motion to dissolve the old club this could take over a month to do

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Why would you be tied up in courts for years to come? Old rangers is now nothing to do with new rangers so if old rangers loose their licence there is nothing that can be done about it

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The existence of two Rangers, with one looking after the other is cheating, let's start a second Aberdeen, Motherwell and st mirren and give them a vote.

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Rangers fc no longer exists. Why would they bother with their accounts.they didn't care about money before they were liqidated...why start now.

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Until the paperwork is complete the old Rangers still exist and is technically a member club of the SPL.

If they have failed to meet the latest deadline extension for providing accounts, then that member will lose their licence so there is no baton to pass directly to the new Rangers

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Rangers FC was a failure.
It failed to beat liquidation.
It failed to submit accounts.
It failed to retain its players.
It failed to pay taxes.
It failed to keep its vote in the SPL.
It failed to transfer its SPL vote to trfc.

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I wrote about this last week as it had been worrying me, I've since heard the SPL might change this ruling to make it discretionary but I'm still perplexed as to why no audited accounts were signed off.

I thought we had paid a team of accountants to produce these accounts which could be very important to Rangers' future, so what happened? BB

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If oldco still exists and has vote in SPL then why are fixtures released tomorrow have no mention of Rangers....only a club 12 ?

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How can a newco deliver accounts when it hasnt been trading and oldco no longer exist o why woulld they bother

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16 Jun 2012 17:36:20
we need to get behind green and give him a chance and hopfully walter smith and his money men can some how join up.it is great that ally is staying but i cant see much of the team staying but i think what will happen is the SFA will ban us from the cup and the SPL will put us into div 1 which would be better than div 3 and hopfully in a year we will be fighting again for the SPL. KEEP THE FAITH. RANGERS TILL I DIE

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Green has no money to run the club, the fans have all the money and do not need Green.

There are appox 35,000 season ticket holders at 500 quid each = 18 millon per year, guess who really owns Rangers ?

Anorak.

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You must have came back from the dead as rangers have died.henke7

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Walter has said they wont join him an i dont trust green just like i didnt trust CW

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My mate is keeper Grant Adam and he told me there is a swell of players who are keen to stick it out at Rangers whatever happens. Although obviously the money situation might challenge them. If we drop down a division or three they will get their chance to be heroes. No disrespect to Berwick Rangers etc but Rangers youths are pretty decent and would easily walk Div 3 then 2. Div 1 will be where it gets competitive

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Winning SFL3 makes you a hero! How we have fallen.

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If sir Walter gets our famous club I will buy season ticket but if mr green keeps the keys I def won't b buying ticket am raging that our club has been brought to its knees we are the people

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Green may not have money and supporters may have 18m per year, but green has a stadium. car park & murray park. Who do you think has all the aces?

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Div 3 for you lot!!

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Rangers fc dont exist now its the rangers football club for the meantime the old club is being dissolved its the newco from now on im behind mr green for the meantime

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So what has c green done wrong? This club was bankrupt way before any if us even heard of him. All what has happened are formalities. We've been liquidated as many predicted. We move on. Rangers still won 54 league titles to date. And the same club which moves forward in whatever name will follow that. As far as I'm concerned I support rangers of Glasgow who play at ibrox in blue. With over a hundred major honours. Good luck in trying to convince me otherwise

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Green may not have money and supporters may have 18m per year, but green has a stadium. car park & murray park. Who do you think has all the aces?......

Worthless assets without any players, fans or a profit making business, why do you think they were only sold for 5.5 milion ?

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Would you lot listen to yourselves FFS, There is No Sir Walter, There is no Rangers history, the only people that thought you were the people was you, and as for profitable business that is a laugh even at your peak Rangers was not a profitable business. Now you are dividing the club it will never be a profitable business, Guys follow the ball here if you don't all stop boycotting and moaning.
The Rangers Football Club. Will be in Admin again this time next year. If you want there to be a Rangers of some sort for your grand children to follow. Each and everyone of last years season ticket holders have to shut their mouths and open their wallets NOW. or forever more the cry will be Remember, Remember When. it will be a hard couple of years together it will be impossible divided.
Billy K

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Worthless assets without any players, fans or a profit making business, why do you think they were only sold for 5.5 milion ?

Fine, knock them down and build some affordable homes with discount if you were one of the 26,000 shareholders shafted.

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I think your all off your head for ignoring the fact that Walter Smith has been sitting on a consortium that includes Jim McColl and Donald Park until 2 DAYS after you went into liquidation, clearly he could have come forward sooner and put forward a stronger CVA and deal for the creditors thus saving rangers! now your club is dead and your supposed to get behind this newco because it suited the money men to start again without any debt. Its a disgrace, all that history all those trophys. Im suprised no one is giving Walter Smith pelters on here. His timing stinks to the high heavens, he could have even tried but his ego told him that if it didnt work out then that would then associate him in some way with the liquidation of rangers. I would be livid.

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OP: Why is it great ally is staying? When and if you ever get back to the business of playing fitba you might start to remember that he has been mince for you. If ally had managed to beat a couple of pub teams and got to the CL your club may well not have been liquidated and your view of CW might be very different to what it is now. The guy is a bum and has shown total disrespect for the new owner. I would sack this fraud. As for plans to march against CG as encouraged by dingwall words escape me on the continued stupidity of rangers fans!

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Fine, knock them down and build some affordable homes with discount if you were one of the 26,000 shareholders shafted............................................

Cunning plan, wonder why a property magnate never put a bid in for the land ?

Maybe it has someting to do with the property recession that bankrupted SDM.

Anorak.

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By the way dingwall dosnt speak for all fans some us us have brains

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Green may not have money and supporters may have 18m per year, but green has a stadium. car park & murray park. Who do you think has all the aces?......

Worthless assets without any players, fans or a profit making business, why do you think they were only sold for 5.5 milion ?
Do you not think murray park alone must be worth 10m+ like David Lloyd, Bannantynes club or such sport centre?

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Anorak, agreed the land at stadium & carpark might not be worth 10s millions but murray park must be worth a pretty penny, state of the art training facility in the west end?

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How is it good that a manager who lost a 15 point lead is staying? Why are you still bickering when someone has come in and bought your pitiful club? Who the hell is Walter Smith trying to kid? Find out next week on Rangers Live at the Apollo the best comedy for years.

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Anorak if the fans put the money into shares instead of season tickets they would own the club but they dont so try again ... who really owns rangers ??

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Anorak if the fans put the money into shares instead of season tickets they would own the club but they dont so try again ... who really owns rangers ?

Green owns the shares and they are worthless without the fans season ticket sales.

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Greggs is worthless without sausage roll munchers but stuffing your face with sausage rolls doesnt mean you own greggs

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16 Jun 2012 16:06:42
A couple of papers now reporting that Rangers will not be included in the SPL fixtures to be announced next week. Don't think there is anything sinister in that given the lack of clarity around the newco.
Still think we should target entry into SFL3 and not throw ourselves at the mercy of the other SPL teams. By making the first move it makes us look as if we are facing up to the past errors and showing remorse. I sense however that I am in the minority in that thinking. Any other outcome will smack of us getting away with it and will be rammed down our throats for the rest of our lives.

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Agree. As a true ger I think div3 and working our way up would give no a chance to mock us.

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I agree 100% that way when we do get back on top, that mob from the east can't cry and moan about us not deserving it. also i would be happy to let the rest see how much they suffer and lose financially due to no rangers in the top flight.

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Rangers have to voluntarily go to SFL 3. To be sent there is completely different. The stain will remain if u are sent there.

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Under the circumstances that's the best thing I'v read and an opinion I agree with. The newco should just go to div 3 and lets all just get on with it. This way heads can be held high in the future and the newco can be looked at as honest rather than looked at as pulling another fast one. Football fans will never let the newco forget it if it's straight entry to SPL and lot's will stop going to matches resulting in chaos anyway.

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Totally agree with you. Take our punishment, start again, build and in a few years, be back where we belong.

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To be honest until recently I would have disagreed with you but I've now come round to that idea, we deserve punishment and it would show the new Rangers has moral and sporting integrity by saying we'll drop down the divisions & don't ever cast up the idea that we weren't punished for the actions of Murray, Whyte and the rest. BB

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ITS not RANGERS ITS THE rangers fc new club youngest in british football established 14th june 2012 no games played no trophys won. timmy tim still lovin it keep up the good work SIR WALTER.

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Agree to bud!
Dmrangers

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I think there's no question about this, Rangers the company went out of business, Rangers the people did not. As Scots I think playing in the Scottish Third Division and wishing to be promoted is no bad place to be. Lets hope our fans show up and show that unlike many Scottish teams we're there in the bad times too.

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Every one is going to ram it down our throats anyway

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Agree with every word

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Of course you are not getting into the SPL. New clubs to not get membership of the top division

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No chance to mock you ?? youv been liquidated it doesnt matter where you play you are a new club

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Could not agree more. As a season ticket holder, I will only support both Walter Smith and/or Charles Green if they commit to paying the lawful debt owed by the old Rangers if the liqidator cannot recover it

75M - 95M EBT - HMRC Liquidator Targeting David Murry for recovery

Total Remaining Debt - 55M

27M Ticketus Money - Probably unlawful and a Craig Whyte Problem

18M - Genuine HMRC Debt - HMRC Liquidator will pursue Craig Whyte for recovery

3.5m - Small Tax Case. Craig Whytes responsibility to pay (part of deal with SDM) - HMRC Liquidator will pursue Craig Whyte for recovery

6.5M Left of debt which is the small creditors and football debt. By some coincidence this is the value paid by Charles Green which will likely cover this debt.

What ever is not recovered we should agree to pay to recover the clubs reputation

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#2, it saddens me that your attitude is that your "happy to let the rest see how much they suffer and lose financially due to no rangers". This is a mess that your club has caused and no-one else, and it seems that you're happy to gloat as others get dragged through the mud as a result.

Obviously you don't agree 100% with the original poster as he wanted rangers to at least appear to be "showing remorse". Fact is your team will end up in the SPL eventually, end up winning trophies and end up in Europe. Why do you take any pleasure in other teams going bust as a result?

Your attitude stinks.

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Rangers need the spl far more than the spl need rangers

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I agree that SFL3 may be the best thing for the club but why not stop worrying about the other teams. Think about what is best for Rangers long term not about other fans mocking you or wishing others suffer financially. Lose the hatred and get behind your team. The best thing that can happen is an end to the Old Firm mentality and the sectarianism that goes with it. Playing in a league where only two teams can win will never give you the real success that you need.
A downward step now will allow for a restructuring of the leagues creating a fair competitive structure in which Rangers and those others will all prosper given time. I would love to see Rangers able to be a success in Europe in a few years and all of this nonsense forgotten. But it will only happen if they play competitive matches every week and learn lessons from the mistakes of the last few years. The diddy clubs need to do well to help Rangers do even better.

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Div 3 and Div 2 titles would be 2 trophies that Celtic have never won. And it would be brilliant for the teams in those divisions, we'd draw record crowds at every game.
However... I just don't see this outcome as very likely. The future of Football will not (for the most part) be decided by the supporters. It will be decided by club owners who have a quite different perspective on this problem.

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Some of you guys just can't help yourselves, its not only Celtic fans who are mocking you, almost every fan from every club are pissed off at the club who was once named Rangers, as a Newco, maybe its time to put the bitterness behind you and join the 21st century.

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I agree,it's the great fans of this institution who are suffering,but we should take our punishment even although it's all down to Murray and whyte,and by sticking together we will start again.Rangers 1872 and the history may have gone but we,as loyal followers of the red white and blue are still the same people and always will be.We will rise again and by starting at the bottom we won't be accused of receiving preferential treatment.But all sol teams remember this,we might be a newco but we are always Glasgow rangers and with that comes all the trappings for you eg large away support still buying tickets at inflated prices,sky tv as
they are only interested in old firm but you still benefit.remember it wasn't us the fans who cheated you it was two individuals and they will get what's due to them.rangers till I die.

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Green plan seems to go for SPL - with the oldco share - but that could be tainted with old punishments, btc and double-contracts considerations... even if these delayed they would apply punishments in SPL next season

alternative is new share - untainted - in div3 - but looks like that not the plan.

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Division 3 is extinction, think with your heads not your hearts.

Anorak.

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I say Division 3 voluntarily is the way to go. Personally i dont care what happens to the rest of the SPL teams.....just like them, i only care about MY club...Rangers!!!

I can see at least three clubs going down the pan without the Rangers gate money and the TV cash.......very sad situation to say the least but, as fans of every other team in the SPL have continually shoved in our faces 'thats just business, thats just the way it is.....accept it and take your medicine'.

Shame!!

As for the dumplings that are saying we have no history.....all the history and trophy count have transferred to the newco. Yes timmy.....we are STILL The Worlds Most Successful Club!!!

:) RTID

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I think the SPL will vote against rangers. But if they allow rangers into SPL it will show that the SPL is worthless without us. To be fair no way should a new club waltz straight in. I don't buy all this hope SPL fails without us stuff but it would say more about other SPL clubs so called integrity than ours if we are allowed back in as it would be totally cash instigated blowing any clubs who vote us ins so called integrity to pieces.

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History is gone FACT face it boys your football club is only a few days old. The shares have and will not be moved accross.

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You have no history, that is why you cannot join the spl.

you are a new club. I am surprised decent rangers fans want a history that excluded fellow scots playing at ibrox. It took UEFA to force change.

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As a Celtic fan, this is the first chain of comments I have read that makes an attempt at the right course of action, trfc moving up the league's would spread wealth for all teams, and can re emerge in the top flight in around about the same amount of time it would take to rebuild an SPL winning squad. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would be how I would want Celtic to approach it . Yes, Celtic will most probably lose out financially and I for one will miss the old firm fixture for now, it would also be mice to see some form of apology for the financial doping that has occurred over the years. Grb88

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The history and trophies have NOT been transferred to the newco at all. You can't play in Europe for 3 years because a newco has no history of playing, therefore you have no history. Fiorentina bought they're history back which is something that can be done in Italy, Leeds transferred to a phoenix company before liquidation of the old. Rangers did not. No history and bo trophies. Should have called newco derangers

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Rangers fan here our history has been wiped afresh with the newco sad to say the old club is is in the process of being disolved if the old club paid the debts then we would have had our history continued unfortunatly we are a new club now sevco then the rangers football club lets get behind the new club a fresh start lets be an honest club and get a bit of respect back

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Shame to read so many Gers fans comments regarding our history . So if rangers didn't win cwc in 72 who did? 9 in a row 89-97 who did? Last 3 titles 09-11 who did? Far as I'm concerned it was rangers. I saw them do it fair and square 11 v 11 on the pitch. these are just some of my memories which won't be erased. Shame so many care more about history books than real life memories.

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What other fans are saying the rangers footbal club the newco has no history on the otherhand the old club rfc has a history the old club does not carry the new club its a new football club rangers fc as we know it is liquidated sad to say

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Cup winners cup (cwc) is now defunct (no more) has been for years now,.,.kbarry

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Wot u all about poster above we cheated and got cot so a would b ashamed to shout about 9 in a row.... we still might get striped f our titles but w.a.t.p

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It amazes me how the good history will remain forever, But everyone else should forget the Bad history as that was not us that was Murray and White who done that. Lets be honest if this was any other club than ours we would be demanding 3rd div and history removed. Lets all grow up take our punishment ,forget the past completely, and most importantly learn the lesson and never let it happen again.
Pedro BC

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Good point pedro we have to take the good with the bad time to move on

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Great to see some bears looking postive lets show the rest of scottish football we have learned by our past mistakes lets take the mantle forward and follow on with pride and give mr green a chance its been a sorry chapter over the last couple of years i would like to put it aside as a bear im really upset and sadenned i know we wanted sucess on the park and winning trophys we have to take some of the blame too i know we will be blamed for this too i hope the so called guardians of the old rangers fc can come out and say sorry to us the fans and to scottish football our name has been tarnished forever ever if we move to div 3 i dont know where we go from here its hard to say most bears on here are pretty decent and will endorse this im sure any thoughts ed ?

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16 Jun 2012 12:35:30
Daily telegraph reporting its definitely team x and not Rangers going on the SPL fixtures on Monday!
To me that says a great deal.

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Honestly how can the SPL allow any brand new club in? But especially this club? It's quite simply not an option.
Future generations need to look back at 2012 and say those guys back then ran an honest game. Integrity first! Above self interest, money, whatever.... They were honest guys.

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Campbell Ogilvie stepping in to save Rangers. SFA trying a bluff move but may end up with egg on their face. Trying to merge SPL and SFL.

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Team X sounds a lot better than The Rangers.

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I just heard the opposite mate. Editor of the sunday mail just said on fred Macauley's show that it WILL be rangers who are named in the fixtures. They will deal with changing it if santions dictate they have to. He also says he is absolutely positive that Charles Green will sell to Walter Smiths consortium. How much and how long it will take to convince him is the big question, but he was sure of it.

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16 Jun 2012 11:24:46
Sky sports have stated on a twitter account that they will not walk away from Scottish football.I assume there will be a downsizing in payments,but there will be a deal.So can we please end this "no sky deal" nonsense.

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The sky argument never came from sky. Ever. It was Rangers fans and gutter press sources close to sky!
Well that's the single only argument for Newco in SPL been blown away.

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Aye Linda from the help desk says so it must be true.

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Just been on the twitter pages for sky sports and bskyb and there is nothing saying that.

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Newco. FCC. Founded. 2012. Rangers. FCC. Died. 2012. Newco's. Strips. Won't. Have. Stars. As. They don't.have a history

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Maybe they will do a Rangers, and kid on they will pay.

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Sky are hardly likely to come out and state that they are chucking scottish football from their schedule whilst fans are cancelling their subscriptions left, right and centre! Wait till all decisions are made by the SPL and SFA and then we will see Sky's true stance on the matter!

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Sky sports got Scottish football on the cheap according to every commentator either in the written press or on the radio. Now we can't live without them! Dont kid me on, we know why this is being pushed by the media

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The money lost through reduced number of subscribers would be a drop in the ocean compared to the loss of income from selling 4 old firm games a season gobally. Why would sky want 2 stick around, they have no reason to?

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To above.....
not everybody is as economic with the truth as oldco rangers....SKY have no agenda against any team or league if they say they have a contract why doubt them as you say subscriptions can be cancelled anytime now or after the announcements you refer to

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As a fan and being honest sky should not rip up the spl contract this is unfair on the other teams i want our new club to be honest and open not like the past sky should not hold anybody to ransom

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Maybe a bit off message fellow bears, but I honestly don't think SKY will change anything - money isn't their driver, see what they've just thrown at the EPL.
They are just tightening the noose, and taking full control of all football in the uk.
The SPL contract is nothing !

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Should the spl hold back the sky money from rangers and pay them 9 pence in the pound over the next five year that sounds fair ??

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Being totally honest here guys, the newco should distance themselves from the now defunct Rangers, I still maintain they should have renamed the club Govan Rovers.

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Okay. So if the SKY deal is immaterial without Rangers. Why then is it that the SFA/SFL are planning merging?
The plan seems to be that it will incorporate either 14 or 16 teams,and relegation/demotion being increased to two up two down,with a play off for a third team. Given that stadium requirements play a major part in participation in the top league,is this making things harder or easier for TRFC.
The SFA also want to reinvigorate the Third Division with the introduction of a pyramid system to allow new clubs entry to a national league set-up.
P.O.B.SFA being pro-active,or SKY money doing the talking? You Decide!
P.O.B.

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Well said Sky are just a business like any other

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To be fair Sky Sports is not a charity and they can't be expected to fork out the same money for an inferior product. No disrespect to St. Mirren, and ITC but not that many people outside Paisley and Inverness want to watch your matches on the telly.

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SKY have offered to cover the SPL for one season on the condition Rangers are relegated to the first division Hopefully our board will see through this have their cake and eat it scam and use the next two seasons to blood the youngsters before mounting a serious promotion challange

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Sky have said they will not pull out and dont want involved in the running of the spl or to interfere with the rangers decision

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16 Jun 2012 11:13:50
Laughing at the head of the SFL offering us a place in division 1, but only if the SPL clubs make changes to the league structure for the better of Scottish Football as a whole. While the SPL clubs want a fairer system within the SPL, they are too full of their own self interests to want to do what is good for the Scottish game and restructure the league. Nice try, but while these same chairmen talk of sporting integrity it is only when it suits them and will never stretch as far as fixing the scottish game if it cost their club a few 100k !

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Why should SPL chairmen give concessions to help Rangwrs get into sfl1 instead of sfl3?

And who does Rangers care about except rangers? Unless rangers voluntarily drop to sfl3 the shame will remain. Being sent there doesn't wash the stain.

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Maybe the League Chairmen wouldn't be so upset about a few 100k if Rangers had played by the financial rules in the first place and allowed the other clubs a level playing field.

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Every club in the spl has gained through rfc and their not playing fair as you all like to put it so will you all hand a percentage of money away to good causes as to keep your moral upstanding?no a didnt think so and if you are talking about owing money or spending money you dont have, how many teams in world football operate with no debt? so does that mean they are all cheating in your eyes as who is to say what might happen to certain football clubs in the future and if they can service their debt.

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All this Sanctimonious rubbish from tic fans is sickening , coming from a club thats been trying to get out of Scottish football for years , all this pious and holier than thou attitude geez you lot really ought to get off your high horses , why dont you propose shared gate receipts so the wealth can be distributed amongst all the clubs and even the playing field ? Oh that right that would mean other clubs being able to compete with you .

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This is all a smoke and mirrors attemp by the SFA to do Rangers a favour.

If Rangers hadn't gone into admin and won the SPL there wouldn't be any Scottish football problems.

It's all being mashed up to have excuses to help Rangers. Scottish football doesn't have a crisis.

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The bottom line to all of this is that every rangers fan is sick to the stomach that they have brought the game to it's knees, not hearts, hibs, or Celtic, yeah Celtic, is it any wonder we want out, u lot have been at it for years, and along comes Walter the knight who has been up to his kneck in it with murray for years, shame on u all.

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How exactly have all the other clubs gained from RFC? Paint it any way you like football is still a sport, and if 1 team are spending 10 times as much as the others to dominate it's hard to see how they've benefited.
You must be the only person in the country who thinks that Scottish football is better off now than before David Murray's spending spree.
Of course Rangers aren't solely to blame for Scottish footballs demise, a gutless SPL, SFL and SFA have helped there, and all the clubs in the SPL are guilty of a policy of self preservation.
But when no team outside Rangers or Celtic have won the league since 1983, and few teams have had any success, it's hard to see how they've "benefited" from RFC.

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#7 where do i say spl or rfc for that matter is better of for david murrays spending spree? i said every other club got benifits from rfc along the way for instance did no club recieve money from transfer fees, better tv deals, better sponsorship deals, and rfc fans following these players that we "spent ten times as much on" ? do you object to any team spending more money than the others to gain an advantage like man city, chelsea, man utd and even cfc do or is it just that rfc did it? anyway we the fans were kept in the dark as to how it was all being/or not funded and are paying a heavy price for it now but rest assured we will not allow our club to do it again. like a said though how many teams operate with no debt and how many can be sure of servicing that debt?so does that equal cheating or gaining an unfair advantage?

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"where do i say spl or rfc for that matter is better of for david murrays spending spree?" - you don't specifically and clearly now your not, but didn't you win 9 in a row? You may not be "better off" but you can't argue that you didn't benefit. It seems pretty clear that no-one has benefited from rfc except rfc, but obviously not financially in the long term (though one could argue that administration and the new-co have given you a "get out of jail free card")
"other clubs benefit from rfc along the way for instance did no club recieve money from transfer fees" - I think its pretty clear that a lot of clubs haven't received the due cash for transfer fees, Hearts for instance? Also its pretty clear that rfc were able to get players at greatly undervalued prices which made clubs less able to compete - Chris Boyd for example.
"better tv deals" - the tv deal is totally undervalued, especially since the collapse of Setanta left clubs high and dry.
"rfc fans following these players that we "spent ten times as much on"" - in other words glory hunting? These will be the same fickle fans who no longer go to see Rangers if and when they play in SFL3. Some fans eh?

There is a world of difference between spending money in order to take a team from relative obscurity to being in a position to win titles such as Man City, Chelsea or even Hearts, than there is for a team to "spend 10 for every 5 Celtic spend" in order to completely dominate, especially when you do so using money you don't or didn't have.

Footballs supposed to be competitive but you Old Firm fans seem to have lost track of that. Fact is nobody has one a league title outside the old firm in my lifetime, and probably no-one ever will.

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Its not sfl its SKY that are calling the shots

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16 Jun 2012 10:37:08
Heard that The Rangers FC are proposing to offer monthly payments for season tickets for next season. This is similar to the policy of premiership teams.

Good piece of business if you ask me as supporter will not need to either cough up 3 large payments over July, August and September or purchase their seat completely.

Green is contemplating in honouring the club deck seats and named seats within the stadium. However as a newco he could quite easily erase all ownership of previous seats.

Finally as a supporter I don't know what all the fuss is about wanting Smith back in the frame. Should we not be asking him and his consortium - why did you not try and save the club before, rather than hanging around like vultures. Green has to be given credit, he came forward with the capital and investors. I do not know what his motives are, maybe he just wants to build the club back up and sell it off. Is that a bad thing?

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Couldn't agree with you more mate .......

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Smith isn't back. He's merely introducing/recommending the alternative consortium. Not taking up in a position in club. His input is nothing more than a character in an advert. He'll be gone again as quickly as he arrived.

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Watty u left us in our hour of need don't think u can Walt back in a hero.... u left us we don't need u! Airport bear

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The club deck are wealthy people and named comfy seats. Perhaps 1,000 one off contribution should confirm their seats. Money is needed from wealthy supporters.

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Celtic have been using the 4 and 10 monthly payment scheme for a few years now. It is a great system that all clubs should use. I personally pay it all in one go but i know as much as a dozen people who have become season ticket holders since this was introduced and say this was the reason.

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Maybe, just maybe, they were waiting for the newco..that way they would have no debt, therefore spending money on the team...do you think?

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Time for a totally new the glasgow rangers with a break from the past. lets support green, he's delievred so far for us in our hour of greatest need, sadly walter didn't. in fact i hate to say but we didn't need his last gasp bid that was doomed to fail we now need stability with green at the helm & all true gers must support him! watp

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Too little much to late from the Walter consortium.

Not a huge Green fan but he pulled something off that I doubted so credit's due to him. And from what I've heard from some pals in Ayrshire the new Murray is definitely a true Ger and the guy has impressed me so far.

Time to get behind the group that saved our club when it got down to the nitty gritty and let's not hear any talk of boycotting the new Rangers, we did enough boycotting of papers and Lloyds and others in the past and what good did that do us? Absolutely nothing. BB

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My dad and his friends all have names on clubdeck seats and I can't believe you are suggesting that they all pay another 1000 to guarantee a seat when they are all now 1300 out of pocket for the seats they originally bought as they will no longer get that money back.

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The rangers boys attitude on here contradicts the way they have been reacting over the last year and i commend them for it. It would be easy to fall for the walter smith riding to the rescue patter, but from an outsiders view the timing stunk and all it has done is cause a divide amongst the rangers fans at a time when you need to pull together. Im hearing talk that if rangers dont get a move on they will be really struggling to have everything in place for there to even be a rangers playing next season and it may have to be the season after, this walter smith bid may cause a major drop in season ticket sales and the rest becomes even harder.

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Well now your dad knows how the other creditors feel

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Walter and his group expected like everyone else that liquidation meant liquidators would take over and sell the assets etc This is a first doing a pre packed purchase from the administrators after liquidation. Something not right !!

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Not a huge Green fan but he pulled something off that I doubted so credit's due to him.....................................

Green never pulled anything off, Rangers were liquidated.

Anorak.

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Nobody saved the club its dead and has been replaced by a newco so Greene also failed in his only job!

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