Rangers Rumours Archive September 11 2011

 

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11 Sep 2011 23:28:04
RANGERSNEWS,
Tomorrows TIMESnewspaper running a story on murrays abysmal management of rangers , by graeme speirs. AS

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11 Sep 2011 21:34:08
U should see our newish midfielder he s quick and a eye for goal and if trained prop he could be a big star for us

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Sounds like a seal.

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Makes no sense at all

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Sounds like a Hibee post...

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Are u referin to the argentine? ur post makes no sense pal

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How does it not make sense? The guy's made a good point. Try reading it again, and if it still doesn't make sense, go for a bath with some sented candles. B#WB#GS!

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Hes on trial if its the argy boy your on about-not our player- that why it makes no sense
steve the ger

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Wow nitpick much? its pretty obvious who the guy is talking about?

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U should see our new midfielder....Have you? or like everyone else going by one youtube video

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Who is it then the yank or the aussie.riddlers

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So how is it esy to tell

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11 Sep 2011 21:29:49
Does anyone know when Jamie Ness is back and how did McKay do yesterday?

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Doesn't matter when ness is back because he will be f***ed after 1 game anyway this boy is more injury prone than daniel prodan and mckay done great for the full 7 mins he was on took SUPER ALLY & Kenny Mac whole 15 mins 2 write his name down on that f***in stupid clipboard they use
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Jamie Ness actually has 1 leg slightly longer than the other, I have heard from a youth coach I know that used to work at rangers up until a couple of years ago.

It causes him to have chronic pain in his pelvis and groin and therefore struggles with injuries constantly. Shame as the boy is a great talent but will always struggle

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Thot his injury was cured by simply putting an insole in his boot?

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11 Sep 2011 20:59:21
i was just wondering why or really where these documents were released from because as far as i am aware Martin Bain has hired Levy & McRae from Glasgow as lawyers to deal with his case against rangers although the documents that are posted online are from Balfour & Mason from Edinburgh. Rangers were apparently not happy with Levy & McRae for taking his case due to previous involvement with the club as they were the lawyers who dealt with the sectarian charges and we have just paid them £35000.

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If rangers are getting sued by taxman for putting money for players in offshore accounts why dont we claim it back from the players?

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Levy McRae were Bain's solicitors before they were Rangers. Balfour Manson act for Levy McRae. Rangers just act stupid.

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I dont think the tax man sues anyone i think he just tells them im having my money or im having all your assets. murray would have been advised to put this money in offshore accounts but like a rat on a sinking ship he decided to jump overboard and take his chances. it is he that should be footing the bill here he claims to be a fan but he will stand back and watch us sink as money is more important to him.

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11 Sep 2011 20:35:45
HMRC are now very worried about the leaking of the tax case details against rangers. Senior managers at the inland revenue believe that any good lawyer will argue that confidentialty has not been maintained leading to any judge throwing the case out of court!

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Senior managers at the HMRC?

The Queen?

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So what you are saying is the court will just write RANGERS debt off.Somehow i dont think so,HMRC will get their money some way or another ffs.

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Original poster has a valid point if maybe worded a little vaguely. Hmrc by law have a duty of confidentiality. By these rumours and papers leaking it puts th whole case that they're building in jeporody as,it it was to go to court, th defence would argue that th jury was infairly influenced by this.
S-bear

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..If hmrc are after more than £15million chances are we,ll go into Administration and hmrc will get between 5 and 10% of what the were after....it is not in the interests of anyone to force us into administration..could cost hmrc £45 million or more lol..

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WE are HMRC, so if RFC default on outstanding tax, it's US the poor taxpayers (not the rich footballers etc) that lose out. I'm a season ticket holder at Ibrox but it p#sses me off that rich folk think they can get away with not paying tax whilst the rest of us have to. If it's owed, it should be paid. End of.

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It doesn't go before a jury. It's a tribunal.

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HMRC, by law have NO confidentiality clauses, infact the opposite is true. if you owe them over £250k, the have the right to name and shame, and have done so on numerous occasions.
they should just pay up and stop moaning about it.
oh, and ps...the leak is from Ibrox

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The leak is not from ibrox you idiot its from wales

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The leaked documents with regards to Martin Bain v Rangers FC are a rough draft and as such are not the actual documents submitted to the courts. Therefor I believe what has happened (the leak) is not illegal.

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That would be the best result we could hope for!! we may have a case for this but who knows

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Would be a nice way for this to end in terms of moving forward but I am reluctant to believe it. Otherwise surely anyone being done by HMRC could leak the thing themselves or else pay or influence someone within HMRC and then try and bring the case down.

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Buffoons.

It is a tribunal. NOT a jury case.

Rangers are not being accused of not paying taxes per se. They are accused of discrepencies in their Employee Benefit Trust during the previous regime. HMRC have not managed to obtain sufficient information from the various clubs so is not in a position to decide whether payments and benefits have been taxed correctly.

Now pay attention- this is where the crux of the HMRC argument comes from. Any cash payments players received out of the EBT should have been net, i.e. after tax and NIC. It is normal for the Trustees to pay the net amount to the player with the PAYE and NIC being passed by the Trustees to the Club for onward payment to HMRC.

If players received an interest free loan from the EBT, the benefit of this should have been shown on the tax return and taxed accordingly.

If players received any other types of benefits from the EBT, such as medical insurance, these are also subject to income tax.

HMRC believe that EBTs are being used by many clubs either to delay tax or avoid it altogether. They have taken one stance that because payments are made by the club into an EBT for specific players, tax should be paid and NIC charged immediately - in the same way as for salary, signing on fees, loyalty payments and match bonuses.

In March 2009, HMRC tested their position by taking a company (Sempra Metals Limited) to the High Court. Their expectation was that the Court would rule that all allocations within an EBT to an individual or to a sub-trust would (in effect) amount to a payment of salary.

The Court, however, ruled against HMRC. This is very important to note. THE CASE WAS DISMISSED. HMRC appealed but then withdrew that appeal.

ALL the legal advice that RFC have had suggests that they will not lose this case, as they have no case to answer.

Daviet

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If it was that easy, every person or company in tax bother would slip the information to the public and then claim confidentiality had been broken and walk away.
No chance, this will not go away untill there is full disclosure and a charge for unpaidvtax plus penalties is made, probably with a secured agreement made for repayment over an agreed period

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11 Sep 2011 19:40:43
Correct me if I am wrong on this matter, but martin bain, has a bareface cheek to go public about rangers financial problems through his lawyers, is it not the case he was partly responsible for this mess and that's one of the reasons whyte binned him. He made a good living out of rangers and he has skeletons in his closet too.

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I'll correct you because you are wrong. Bain has not gone public. The papers were released illegally.

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The papers were released to cause damage to Rangers, If it was one of the manky mob that did it, don't they realise that if something was to happen to Rangers they along with every other Scottish club would suffer -

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11 Sep 2011 19:39:12
Why u all blaming whyte why not have a rant at the clowns that ran our club before do u honestly think he took over not knowing a lot more than us he s no mug our lawyers have always been confident in wining the case and if we don't we ll see who are the reAl fans I know 250000 who were in Manchester and if it comes to it i for one will raid my kids piggy banks if need be we are Glasgow rangers

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I agree, Whyte is not a mug and I am sure we will win against HMRC as we have done nothing illegal n not paying the money they are asking for. A loophole which was taken advantage of by us and many other British clubs, truthfully i think cels**t have done the same but prob not to the same scale as us. The HMRC are just looking for a way out of their own misdoing so picked us as we were in alot of debt. Arsenal are in a similar situation to us with the taxman although the taxman is waiting to see if they win a case against us then they will go after the rest of the teams probably all at once..

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Well said mate i would starve myself for a week just to help rangers

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Raid your kids piggy bank? Where were you all when murray had to underwrite the last share issues because you so called rangers fans wouldnt put your hands in your pocket! You lot must be the most hypocritical fans in world football!!

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The most hypocritical fans did put our hands in our pocket, Murray had to underwrite so much cos the debt was at nearly 70million!!

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Why would HMRC pick on Rangers because they were in a lot of debt. Surely if they were going to pick on someone, it would be a club who were not in a lot of debt as this would increase their chances of being paid. You're just talking p1sh.

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The Op must have some amount of pals if he knows 250thousand people who were in manchester. I'm thinking that that number grows at a rate of 50 thousand every time somebody mentions it. Soon, Scotland will have been empty that night as we were all in manchester

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Sorry I was wrong by the looks of the blue tide down their might have been more u should be working on another lenny distraction come the end of season the last won worked well done four happening my friend

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11 Sep 2011 16:28:05
Let's just get one thing clear here. All of this doom mongering is based upon rumour, leaks to press and of of course who could forget our neighbors across the city.

Nobody and I mean nobody who comes on here has any idea of what the facts are so let's just let it play out. I'm sure in due course the facts of the situation will be laid bare.

And before people say that with an attitude like that nothing will get solved the situation is as follows.

Craig whyte owns the club

He does not have explain anything as we all know investigations are going on that nobody can do anything about.

Once investigations are complete we will know what the situation is.

There will always be a rangers who will always play at ibrox.

Fact.

Oranjeboom

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At least under craig whyte there is money in the bank that ir could ringfence

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Well said mate, and for the martin bain thing about whyte saying he would only pay 10 to 15 million, how can people believe him either, he just got the sack off whyte, obviously he is going to try get his back on whatever way he can.

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Well put mate. he does own the club and we must trust that he will do what is best for rangers. he wont let anything slip till the investigation is complete because there is no point. we do have a few cases of our own that should be brought against different people with regards to confidential info being leaked but that will come in good time. think things are looking ok. murray park will finally start paying for itself and we have a good few players to build a team on in the next few years already at the club

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I support whyte but i think maybe there should be a statement to put fans at ease over the finances of the club whyte may own the club but the fans money pay the bills each month the constant quietness from the club worries fans why not pay a 35k bill on time and avoid the bull crap in the papers-it makes us look cheap

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There has been an anti rangers agenda in the media for a long time we should not fuel it by rumour .families stick together in times of difficulty the most successful teams are those with a common goal .Martin Bain didn't dish the dirt on rangers when he was drawing his £610000 plus bonuses .Craig whyte will turn the club around and don't underestimate ally's commitment to the club united we stand divided we fall keep believing

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Your delutional mate if you think this is going away the tax man always gets his money he never gets enough

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I admire your defence of the situation, however I think that you could try lifting your head out of the sand to have a wee look around.

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Don't know what your moaning at -THIS IS A RUMOURS PAGE, not a FACT PAGE.

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You choose to remain blind and willfully refuse to open your eyes to see! Oh dear, there are"NONE so BLIND as THOSE who will NOT SEE"

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Here here well said, I think MR Whyte can't say too much just now because he has a few private battles going on just now, but he has already proved he's 10 times the fighter Murray ever was.
All these people from the dark side want Whyte to make big statements so they can pick holes in it, that's why he should just keep doing what he's doing quietly behind the scene to sort the mess left by Murray and greedy Bain. I mean 75,000 bonus for reaching the champions league, It's not like he scored the goal that got us there.
Anyway the only winners in this whole fiasco are John Menzies, the sale of paper, pens, and. Envelopes have went through the roof in recent times, with Celtic fans all sending letters to u.e.f.a, f.I.f.a, the tax man, the s.f.a, the New York times, the pope, the queen, Jim'L' fix it.

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I support whyte. i think ibroke would be an ideal place to build a lidls.

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Smell the coffee we have been told about money problems for years and we laugh who us the rangers never.The scottish lipspittle media has alway turn a blind eye.Remember when mc cann step off the plane they could tell u that he owed some septic supporter club 7s and 6d(old money for the young ones) but mr whyte hes a billionaire, a millionaire,his weath is off the radar that from keith jaskson-now if you owe 35k and your taken to court and end up paying interest and costs we are in trouble

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11 Sep 2011 14:18:04
Davis and McKay to run the engine room and drive us to 4 in a row WATP

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Have they joined the merchant navy? I seriously doubt they have the qualifications. The only running they will be doing is when they are being chased by Kayal and Ki.

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Correct mate, kayal and ki can chase all day long. We welcome the chase!!

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Would this be the same kayal and ki who lost the league title last season and most probably this season also, or as usual is it a conspiracy. why do these t!ms come on here, they should be more concerned about there their own clubs failings!

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Ki and Kayal dont make me laugh. both as slow as you lot are at catching us aha.

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Why are Timmy and Hoppy on the Rangers pages, WORRIED MAYBE, I just can't get enough LOL Wizard

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11 Sep 2011 13:33:50
To all the "fans" Rangers, Celtic or Other who keep going on about the "bad" times that are on there way, keep it coming cos these bad times have been coming for the past 3 years and it just seems to fire up the players for the SPL campaign. Keep up the good work boys!! In Ally we trust!!

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Too true, all the dhimwits can do is try and goad and slander and deflect as usual

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No it's not ? We can watch Smeelick get humped on Thursday Wizard

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It hurts the timothys so much they blame others in every situation refs other teams etc they shud look in house firstly i know how angry i wud be when most of there signings are championship level

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All to true that it will fire your lads up buddy...but the fact remains murray as left you guys in the s**t and whyte cant be trusted he has only mortgaged your debt not cleared it

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Murray did leave us in the shi* but I wasn't complaining during 9 in a row, so let's just let Whyte do what he does best mate, Rangers will always be here

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I agree to a certain extent, because to be honest most of these guys wouldn't be here if it wasn't for us being in a bad financial position. But I think these guys are just driven to do well and are winners, so they would be suceeding wherever they were as they are a mentally strong group and are mentally strong as individuals.

We can't thank these guys enough for their service during our 3 in a row run, they've rarely let us down.

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I think that's a wee bit unfair to be honest but I get your point. I actually think this squad isn't all that bad, when all are fit I think we'll play some decent football

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10 Sep 2011 23:51:43
Perhaps Whyte knew what he was taking on? Perhaps he knew about the tax situation? Daaa? Whyte knows he can buy the tax man for breakfast then buy Celtic for lunch.

Possibly playing the game and keeping it quiet... Refusing to invest and loose it to the tax man or go bankrupt.

Possibly playing the waiting game then when the debt it clear and/or agreed settlement he will then invest more at the next transfer window and say... Told u so.

He is the sort of guy that wont pay 100% old debt. He will agree a settlement fee. 50%?60% 70%? It takes time.

At the end of the day we dont need no gatusso to win the spl because we have the strongest team as it stands.

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You need to keep taking your medicine!

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Thing this nugget is past the medicine stage.

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I am a gers supporter and i have never read so much drivel in my life,you live on another planet mate,we are in deep trouble with his guy in control of the club,according to reports he has flogged 4 years season tickets for cash flow to some london mob,bet you ellis is involved somewhere..........

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Whyte is here to pick over whats left remember Ellis,when he comes back on the scene it will be to measure up Murray for houses

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The one bill you have to pay not part pay is the taxman he just cant get enough

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Medication time.... take off the blue tinted glasses and see the situation for what it really is. Rangers are in the most perilous position in their history and every week seem to dredge up more misery. Martin Bain as chief executive will have undoubtably known about the shocking state of the clubs finances and its likely implications, this is why he wants his money now, cos he knows that in a few months the tax man will be picking at rangers like a pack of hyenas.

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The airport bear .... Stand firm bears mr whyte knows the score it's his job too sort out recovering businesses ... everyone knew that sir david left us in a very bad state before he sold our beloved glasgow rangers ! whyte is loaded on paper so getting millions too sort out murrays mess ! as for martin bain .... he has a bloody cheek ... forever a blue nose , it's a waiting game with the tax issue ... as ally said yesterday people have their own ideas and just don't listen so this will run and run and run ... it's just a ploy to sell more papers

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If i owned a football club and i could get away with payin 6% of the debt instead of 100% i would be playin for time its a no brainer , didnt portsmouth only pay 6% pf the their tax debts? , not sure tjink it was but it was a fraction of what they apparently owed , check it out

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The airport bear ... this guy going on about ellis selling sir davids park , personaly do the sums pal and would it be so bad ... you could build say 100 , million pound houses up their and build a brand new training complex around the brox because craig whyte owns the land ... just a thought bears !

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Pmsl am a hoops supporter and that guys a pure a**ehole just read the case files of martin bain www.mediafire.com/?paqbaen9ozn62p7 future looks bright for gers and a hink al book whyte into the local homeless unit so he can get fed as the taxmans goin to take him to the bank and hang him oot tae dry lmfao.

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And where are Portsmouth now?

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Perhaps whyte is here just to take rangers through administration that was always what he was here for gets a bung at the end for services cant be easy to wind up a company the size of rangers without bring down the whole of scottish football

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I am Loving it and I just can't get enough LOL.
I am disapointed about going out of Europe but this Guy White is a clever clever man, Rangers have been badly run for two or more decades, Finally somebody has came in and WILL sort it out, Timmy and Hoppy will milk it as much as possible as you can see from the posts on here, A draw or more at the Brox on sunday after Celtic get completely humped by Madrids wee brother will put more pressure on wee LOONEY ginger nut,Top of the league with no money and now the young players are getting used, Good stuff and it's about time the younger guys who really aren't that young now should either be out on loan or let go, WIZARD. I just can't get enough of CELTICS MISERY.

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Pmouth got relegated fair enough they in chship wi no debt look what happened to leeds who tried to pay it off
Wd rather have administration for couple seasons than payin intrest to bank for next ten to fifteen craig whyte no stupid !

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Mr whyte has brought a specialist tax lawyer onto the board to deal with the tax situation. he is there to negotiate with the hmrc and try to get the figure reduced. mr whyte is right to withhold the funds till its sorted he could use that money for the tax man. he is goodat buying failing businesses stabalising them and selling them on. celtic are that poor this year he has the time to do this. it also puts the youngsters who are good enough for the spl into the team. if we had money there would be no wylde, ness, hutton, fleck or perry we would just buy players in cover. these guys will be the future not only for rangers but also scotland. look out for more youngsters to burst through in the next couple of years. why buy a player with potential at 18 when we could bring them to the club for free at youth level and mould them ourself. hibs have produced more players in recent years than rangers. there have been a good few in the national team and been sold on for a big fee to that club. people are all talking about the poor rangers team but give the club time to recover and we have a not bad start when rebuilding. we have davis, greegs, whitty, ness, wylde, fleck, hutton, perry and naisy all on long contracts. could be a great thing for murray park. finally produce the players that could be moved on for a few million in a couple years. we areno longer a giant and will need to get used to poor EPL teams taking not only our best talent but also our targets but i think in a couple years it will cost them.

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Craig whyte and his associates have made milions out of situations like this loads of times,does anyone really think he would buy a club which was terminally ill?get a grip,good times will come again

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Im not shocked or surprised by the Rangers position which is really unknown....one thing is for certain craig whyte has a strategy and good for him I say,whats to happen will happen end of story.Id say that all the speculation by celtic supporters on this forum and others begs the question why? There is more to this than a few buckie swigging deadbeats...they are propelling this along at a rate of knots unwittingly I think and Whoever has been behind it will be exposed sooner rather than later and perhaps we will find lawyers and politicians as well as constabulary involved as I believe that there is or will be further investigation carried out by the powers that be in order to pinpoint this situation as to who the perpetrators are and what their motivation is as this could lead to demonstrations and violence in the public domain so it is now to be considered as a public order issue by the authorities so we will watch this unfold with great interest.

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Martin Bain wouldn't know about the Rangers finances, he worked under Murray not Whyte so he has no clue how Whyte is running the club! And to the guy who asked where Portsmouth are?? In the league the old firm crave earning more money the the old firm do!!

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