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07 Jul 2017 16:31:34
I was speaking to my brother yesterday regarding the EBT saga and he made a good comparison. He said:

"It's like reducing the speed limit on a stretch of road and then trying to punish every driver who previously observed the old speed limit. "

He's totally right too. No criminality was involved. Rangers were simply using a loophole that existed at the time.

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1.) 07 Jul 2017 16:50:36
the government introduced the EBT as a legal way of reducing the tax you pay kinda similar to an ISA

then it realised oh wait too many people are benefitting from it so let's do a u-turn

right if you used our EBT scheme you were illegally dodging tax so we want all the tax bank

and we end up getting liquidated and now they want our titles stripped

you cldnt make it up


2.) 07 Jul 2017 17:36:57
To be completely honest guys. That's not the case. EBT's are and remain legal but it was the operation of the scheme by Rangers during the time which was incorrect.

I'm 2004 HMRC asked Rangers if there were any side letters and we said no. The Boumsong raid in 2008 found these letters which showed the payments were actually earnings which is why the Supreme Court ruled in favour of HMRC.

That being said, I don't buy into the whole competitive advantage argument as who is to say we wouldn't have just paid the additional amounts if we didn't operate the scheme?


3.) 07 Jul 2017 17:42:42
Good statement by the chairman on website explaining position fully. Thank you DK.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 20:47:17
big bear Davic murray said at recent trial they operated scheme to get in players they otherwise couldn't afford.


5.) 07 Jul 2017 23:38:00
No he said may not, and I highly doubt we couldn't have got them anyway.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:08:52
There was no loophole. EBT were supposed to be loans. In SDMs case the loans were never meant to be repaid, so outwith the rules of EBTs.
If the there was no criminality and everything was above board why was SDM not upfront about the use of EBTs to the football authorities. Instead he buried them from sight.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 05:27:22
STYAB, it was HMRC themselves who said Rangers were not involved in any criminality.


8.) 08 Jul 2017 07:52:45
No but broke the rules of the SFA by having undeclared contracts


9.) 08 Jul 2017 08:34:52
My understanding is that EBT's were included in accounts submitted to SPL each year and side-letters only referred to repayment of these. If so, what are the undeclared contracts?
Therefore if I am correct, what SPL or SFA rule are we accused of breaking?


10.) 08 Jul 2017 15:24:19
Make your mind up, STYAB. Is it criminality or undeclared contracts? Stop changing your argument to suit your agenda.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 16:08:58
"Now the Dundee United fans group, known as the Arab Trust, has released a statement in which they say the court ruling shows Rangers had an "unfair advantage" between 2001 to 2010 and that Scottish football was "cheated" during this era. "

Seriously?! Perhaps Celtic have a gripe, and even that is pretty tenuous given they also used tax avoidance schemes, but the rest of Scottish football need to wind their necks in!

Were Aberdeen or Dundee Utd going to challenge for titles if we didn't use EBTs? Of course not. Did they and the rest of Scottish football enjoy a higher standard of football and a reputation boost off the back of EBTs? Of course they did.

All the wee diddy teams should be thankful we dragged the standard of football on show away from the pub leagues for a bit and leave the conspiracies to Celtic.

Ruddiger

1.) 07 Jul 2017 16:21:01
Was just about to post the same. Dundee united were closer to relegation than top during these years. Did they complain about how many fans we brought up with us then. The longer they rot in the championship the better


2.) 07 Jul 2017 16:35:24
The problem is if one club starts it the rest will follow suit, the higher up the league you finish the more money you get. DU will think they would have had a better chance of beating us if we never had Klos etc. End of the day it was 11 men v 11 men, every club is guilty of trying to cut corners and dodge tax in someway or another.

End of the day this is a business matter not a footballing matter.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 17:20:03
Good shout Ruddiger, l no it may not be popular and we all like to support the team but l think. k it is time to deprive them all of the blue £/ $.
We will see how the react to not getting the bonanza of our great fans giving them money


4.) 07 Jul 2017 17:52:30
All the wee diddys like the sheep and Utd need to realise that the players we signed at that time raised the profile of the game in this country and actually helped them sign players that would otherwise never have played at their dumps.


5.) 07 Jul 2017 20:50:21
you forget to mention utd lost a cup final to you during this time as did a number of the wee Diddy teams as you put it


6.) 07 Jul 2017 21:39:55
Dundee utd and their supporters club can away and shite for all anyone cares.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 00:53:48
I said we should boycott away games at the start of last season because of an unhealthy hate towards Rangers and I was shot down. Somebody has got to stand up for the club.


8.) 08 Jul 2017 09:19:09
I will always agree on the point of not going to away games. Starve them out. It's the only way to fight back


9.) 08 Jul 2017 17:21:20
As others have already posted the use of Etb's were not illegal so the argument from certain others is that it was the failure to disclose the detail to the SPL that is being pushed as the excuse to punish us, the SAME failure to disclose that is well documented by Celtic who themselves failed to inform the SPL of details of their use of etb's.
There seems to be a lot of comment here from people who are agenda driven but don't do their homework in regards to who did what and why, did the Celtic player who was payed with an etb after he had left the club pay it back? . Look it up for the answer then come back with a reply, after all rules are rules ☺


 

 

27 Jun 2017 23:49:16
A lot of folks saying wait and get Walker on a pre-contract. Why wait and risk missing out?

A team down south might fancy a punt on a pre-contract. Hearts want £1m? Pay them it. He's worth that all day long.

Guaranteed to make a profit on him down the line.

Ruddiger

1.) 28 Jun 2017 02:47:47
If the boy wants to come to rangers he will wait on us. If he goes South so be it. He is not as committed to the Club as he is to £'s.

Why give Hearts the money! They are just getting greedy!


2.) 28 Jun 2017 07:18:59
He's not our player, so why would he be committed to the club? He's a professional who's going to take the beat offer on the table. Why not strike while we are the best offer on the table? Why miss out on a quality player at a quality price over misplaced pride?


3.) 28 Jun 2017 08:38:25
I reckon £700'000 max for him he's in the last year of his contract maybe if he had 2 years left on his contract £1 million would be about right for the guy but hearts in my opinion are just holding out for as much as they can get for their player which they are entitled to do but either way it's a tough 1 for hearts as a club and the player himself because of the last year contract situation after all it's the same situation as our own Barry McKay is in as well


4.) 28 Jun 2017 09:50:17
TOMUSA - your comment implies that all other signings so far are committed to the club. What r u on?


 

 

24 Jun 2017 17:27:01
Insee the sheep are losing their rubbish over their new BLUE away kit! This pre-season just keeps getting better.

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28 Jun 2017 08:23:19
Agreed a deal with Norwich according to the s*n this morning.

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27 Jul 2017 14:34:49
It's an improvement for sure but the proof of the pudding will come against Motherwell.

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19 Jul 2017 15:21:01
Seen the challenge and totally agree. It should have been the St. Johnstone player who was asked to leave the pitch.

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18 Jul 2017 13:20:06
We should stop messing about and get him signed. We'd be signing a quality player and a player who genuinely dislikes Celtic and has already shown he knows how to get under their skin. What more can we ask for?!

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16 Jul 2017 12:27:38
At £1m he is a steal and we will make a healthy profit down the line.

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15 Jul 2017 16:12:21
If Hearts want £1m then we should stop messing about and pay it. Great price for a quality player. We'll mess about over a few hundred thousand and end up missing out.

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