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01 Jun 2015 20:12:18
Ok Mr King, after failing to tell us Plan A, what now is Plan B? Will it be a humiliating "sorry Mr Ashley we didn't really mean to declare war"? And if it is, are people on here prepared to accept that?
1.) 01 Jun 2015 22:02:09
Paulineblue72. I am sure mr king and the board will let the supporters no this week where we stand. I expect new manager in place by weekend or next week.season ticket renewal close,so I would expect a lot of developments are coming.
2.) 01 Jun 2015 23:40:18
Pauline I read your posts often and they are generally salient and, like I said about gaz previously, extremely valid and at least worthy of healthy discussion and debate. However, this post smacks of unbridled happiness we didn't gain promotion but, in my opinion, for entirely the wrong reasons if you are indeed a rangers fan as your moniker implies. Let me explain why.
I have no issue facing another albeit tough (hibs, st mirren, falkirk, qos) season in the championship where we don't have the added pressure of having to 'compete with celtic', as a previous poster highlighted. It should allow us the time, properly managed (I'm aware you don't believe that can be achieved with king), to sort out the longstanding issues on and off the park whereby we can, fingers crossed, gain promotion next season and at least make a fist of it first season back.
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but your posts, particularly this one, imply you wish us to implode yet again and go through further torment for even longer, if indeed we would still have a club to support. Are you suggesting Ashley is our saviour? If so get the facts re Ashley and newcastle from ed0001 as if king did not slow him down when he did then our club would have been gone from us forever in a deluge of unpayable debt to sports direct. If not Ashley then what are you actually looking for in terms of taking rangers forward? You are not alone in having concerns over king, I have too, but he is not in full control as Ashley was and even Celtic fans I know admit the three bears have our genuine interests at heart. Do you think they will stand by and let him syphon money out the club like the previous leeches or build up incalculable debt to one of his own companies as Ashley wanted to? The answer to that, again only in my opinion, would be no. They offer a genuine check against that happening again.
Honestly, I despaired reading your post, hence the novel (sorry ed lol). You may as well have started with nah nah nah nah nah, turn out the lights now, then you could finally smile and say I told you so and blow a farewell raspberry lol. That being said I actually believe you have genuine feelings for the club but cannot for the life of me work out your motives or why you only ever offer negative opinions and rarely, if ever, positive solutions. Rant over but someone had to say it. Please stop permanently highlighting what we all know is wrong (deeds, etc etc) and throw in opinions of your ideal way forward for a change. You're clearly an intelligent individual, I'm sure you have something contributory in a positive sense waiting to come out.
{Ed001's Note - interesting post mate, you made some good points.}
3.) 02 Jun 2015 09:56:47
Spart7 I tried to reply to your post in the other thread regards Ashley but it never got posted. I didn't have an answer for Ashley short of the fact that he hates publicity and between MP's investigating him, Dispatches TV show and Dave King he is being dragged through all forms of the media with his dealings being made very public.
I agree about the three bears 100% but I think Pauline makes fair comment regards Dave King, as yet he hasn't delivered one thing. Nomad's in a matter of days etc were words straight from his mouth. Four years ago Whyte took the reins and I'm sure there would be a palpable release of breath if finally an Ibrox CEO made a pledge and delivered it exactly in the time scale promised. I don't know if King is the guy to give you that Spart7 and after a disappointing end to the season it is only natural that his pledges and plans become the focus again of Rangers fans such as Pauline.
Folk are jittery right now, you can see it even in here and other forum's, bears turning on bears, taking everything far too literally, Noddy mistaking Mullad, Ally mistaking Timalloy and numerous claims of "are you really a gers fan?" or whatever. I don't doubt the sincerity of any of you but the problem is like this whole fiasco from the day Craig Whyte walked through the door there are people with different levels of cynicism or faith in each player in each regime and it has led to an almost stuttering rebellion at every turn. Unified you do not do not till very late in the day at least.
4.) 02 Jun 2015 14:50:26
Cheers ed, I do try lol. Being completely honest gaz we, as a support, have never been in unison and sadly probably never will be. I also have no issue with Pauline being anti king (not saying I'm pro king btw) and I applaud her asking tough questions we all want answers to, however we are in a more positive situation boardroom wise than we have been since Murray sold us down the asset stripping river (not necessarily meaning financially, more fiscally). We no longer have an individual or mysterious cabal blatantly taking every penny they can from the club. The breakdown of shareholders no longer allows that currently. Ashley is admittedly a huge shadow over the club but the showdown this month where king will answer Ashley's concerns re nomad, delisting etc whilst revealing exactly what sd is taking from the club for his zero investment (loan aside) will be very interesting and show if we can move forward on that particular financial front. Furthermore, the fact warburton is even considering us is more positive news and a sign the board want progression. 11 'players' gone is yet another positive in my book. Means we have a chance to get it right on the pitch at the third time of asking without 11 overpaid duds draining the wage budget at the same time. What I'm really saying is I think king is the best of a bad bunch and if he doesn't deliver then it'll be a helluva lot easier to sideline him than it was with green, Ashley etc but nothing yet screams ill intentions to me like it did with our previous incumbents. I know you hate the phrase 'give him time' but in my view this summer will reveal his true ambitions and intentions for the club. I'm willing to wait and see where we are by august before condemning the guy. If the season begins and the club still lacks a basic if not proper infrastructure, has no long term manager or decent squad to work with then I will begin to worry about king and his motives. Until then I'm actually positive and excited about a summer involving rangers for the first time since this all began.
5.) 02 Jun 2015 19:25:55
i can't beleive some of the posts about king and 3 bears they do have the best interests of the club at heart they will suceed there has been a lot going on behind the scenes which makes it difficult to make comments about ashley etc but if they had not spent a lot of money buying shares to wrestle the club away from ashley green and co where would we be now certainly not in a position where the only real debt we have is to ashley we will have a new manager in we have got rid of most of the deadwood we have some promising young players who look as if they will be real rangers players so everthing is not all bad what we must do now is play our part and renew our tickets we have all the supporters groups rangers first etc all in aposition to help the club with king and co willing to to give them a say in the running of the things no one 9 months ago no one would have beleived possible so as I say things ain't that bad
02 Apr 2015 20:12:03
RMGers, a few days ago you raged on here the following guff:
"The NOMAD was always going to be appointed because they hope to raise between £10m and £14 million in a share issue, did all you conspiracy theorist mutters actually think they would delist and miss that funding opportunity? Or were you all clutching at straws?"
That post can still be read below, dated 28 March.
Please can you come on here and show your red face, I'm sure all the mutters will be dying to see what straws you clutch at to avoid having to apologise and admit you got it wrong. This is what happens when you hero worship at the feet of a proven liar, you end up with his sh#t all over your face.
1.) 02 Apr 2015 21:27:10
delisting is not the end of the world they can still attract investment by selling shares it will possibly be cheaper to be delisted anway
2.) 02 Apr 2015 22:23:36
The initial money of investment will come from fans who buy season tickets. Heard the usual plumbers, joiners , glaziers give there expert opinion on AIM listing. I have adegree in Engineering and am paid well to understand complex equations , I will refrain from making any comments about AIM as I have never been and never will be interested in it other than I giving money to RF who I trust will aid and assist RFC .
3.) 02 Apr 2015 22:32:07
What as king lied about with this nomad? He said he had one lined up and he did. It just never worked out. It wasn't down to his failings, it was down to the previous board
4.) 03 Apr 2015 01:11:37
You'll have to explain that one to me James. How was it the fault of the previous board? Didn't the previous board have a NOMAD? Dave King clearly stated that he had a NOMAD lined up. That was a lie.
Paul Murray stated that we are lining up to list on the ISDX however, in order to be eligible we need at least 12 months' capital, we are living on emergency loans and therefore not eligible. Surely PM knows this. If not I am worried about his suitability.
We need to wake up, we are in the position we are now because of the current board. They were the ones who championed a boycott, they are the ones trying to appoint a convicted criminal to the chairmanship (against AIM rules).
We are walking back into oblivion. Wake up.
5.) 03 Apr 2015 01:40:21
How do you know he had one lined up? Remember allegiances with the Dallas Cowboys that a former messiah said? I agree with Pauline, blindly following anyone who makes the right noises to fool the masses!
He may have had one lined up, why did this not happen? Where is the transperancy that has been promised that your long suffering loyal, (let face it, there are none more loyal that the Rangers support!) fans have been longing for?
I am hoping that there is a long term plan here and that you all haven't been fleeced again!
6.) 02 Apr 2015 23:22:45
Pauline its a forum if you can see my red face you are even more brilliant than you think you are. We will be listed on another platform and there will be a share issue to raise between £10 and £15 million so embarrassed I am not but thanks for thinking of me, is this one of those love hate things developing? Do you fancy a drink?
7.) 02 Apr 2015 23:27:30
Oh and there doesn't seem to be excrement on my face either. As I explained we will be listed because a large percentage of our shares are owned by institutions who require it. The same institutions who like me voted for change and the new Board, did you vote against it Pauline my dear? Do you own any of our shares?
8.) 03 Apr 2015 08:55:51
Well here we go again. groundhog day anyone?
First there is a Nomad then there isn't, this transparency thing is so nice.(not) We the fans are away to do out usual and Follow follow blindly. do we ever learn? apparently not . I have no gripe with King and co have not been anti them at any point, but this is taking the proverbial. beep beep. I'm away to do an "Ally" and ask. "name the Nomad" who said it was down to the mismanagement of the old board. so we can all see the reasons in black and white and then move on. simples
How in the name of Rangers do the people we put in power think its best to give us information that they and only they feel is to be feed to us? if this is to continue then they are no better than the previous rogues. God even that Prior is saying they are at it. confused anyone??
9.) 03 Apr 2015 16:39:19
Give them a chance Ally, Rome wasn't built in a day and all that jazz. Let's see what transpires with King, remember on day of EGM, he stated his preference, he got it.
10.) 03 Apr 2015 21:14:15
Ok, don't give them a chance then.
11.) 04 Apr 2015 15:06:42
My understanding was that the NOMAD lined up could not look at any of the business setup until after DK & ttb won the EGM.
At that point the NOMAD HAD to look at 2 things before he would agree to carry on. 1 were the current board & likely board members (king)!clear of any issue which might cause problems with AIM = answer No problem everything fine.
2 look at the business and outstanding financial situation with current contracts and see if these can be supported = answer NO THEY WERE NOT & therefore the NOMAD refused to take up the role.
This was not the current boards doing, the only contract (if there is one?) was to get McCall & black in.
There is a sh!tstorm coming and these guys are the only ones I see stepping up to try and fix it. Give them until at least the end of the season to see what comes out.
One thing I do agree with though is, the production of title deeds for Ibrox would stop some of the flak.
Pauline - just once try and say something positive!!
12.) 05 Apr 2015 23:38:05
Bil72 bang on mate bang on.thats the way I and most supporters see it mate.
08 Feb 2015 10:53:52
I note Dave King in the Scotsman today claiming innocence over any role in the crazy overspending policy of SDM when he was on the board. But the reason he gives is interesting. He says he was "led to believe that SDM's personal finances could cover the spending. " Let's think about that a second. We know now that that SDM's personal finances in fact could not cover it. So is DK saying SDM lied to him? Is this the first public admission from someone on that board that SDM had got out of control, knew that himself, and was lying to board members to cover up his financial recklessness and to keep on spending? Or is this just another example of the "glib and shameless liar" DK telling his gullible audience what he wants them to hear? I wonder if Paul Murray will come out and confirm whether SDM lied to him about the spending too? We shouldn't take this latest statement by DK lightly - it is proof that one of "our own" has been lying to us - either SDM or DK.
1.) Pauline I think it's quite easy to work out, well for me anyway, Though I've not seen the comments you refer to, I think with mr king still wanting to be involved I will believe him, and if I get the chance I will ask him, by saying that I mean, there is more chance of meeting mr king than David Murray eh, we're is David Murray? I wonder, as far away from our club as he can be.
2.) So are you trying to say that murray fronted up and said his finances were in ruins but will you comply with my spending of millions more with no hope of paying it back? Really. As for your"one of our own is lying" history tells you who that was
3.) Why can't we get a coach in its imperative
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02 Apr 2019 11:40:46
What season did costa or suarez get five red cards?
02 Apr 2019 08:01:40
As I said below, no chance in hell of anyone paying £20 mill for a player who gets 5 red cards a season. Name one other £20 mill player anywhere in the world with a disciplinary record like that. There aren't any.
31 Mar 2019 22:51:24
We'll get a lot less for Morelos after today. No big club will touch him. He's simply not a big game player, that much is clear. Name one other 20 mill player in the world who gets 5 red cards a season. There aren't any.
20 Mar 2018 08:28:10
What do you think Stevie Clark will see that McInnes didn't? Boarddoom chaos with chairman fighting an ego battle he can't win in the courts. Club propped up by loans year on year. More and more reliance on short term loan deals on the park. Huge pressure to win despite all of the above structural problems. Clark might be tempted to think he has a better sprinboard by punching above their weight at Kilmarnock, rather than being seen to fail at Rangers for reasons he can't control. That's the reality. Poisoned chalice.
08 Mar 2017 19:21:43
Who do you know sent in a CV?